Of amateurs to look for it in 2024. The new tools that depending on your take, either encourages activism or vigilanteism, aimed at finding potentially questionable registrations. Could it work, or is it a recipe for a new class of Election Day Chaos . Well dig into that coming up as well. But we start with the vile and dangerous threats aimed at multiple people involved in Donald Trumps legal cases, adding new weight and worry to an already challenging Security Situation at his multiple trials. In texas, a woman has been charged after leaving a voice mail for judge tanya chutkan, the woman presiding over trumps conspiracy trial in d. C. She starts by calling her the n word, then says according to the affidavit, quote, if trump doesnt get elected in 2024, were coming to kill you. So tread lightly. Referring to her with another slur, and then threatening, you will be targeted personally, publicly, your family, all of it. And the judge isnt the only one. Members of the Fulton County grand jury had their names listed in the indictment but nbc news has learned their addresses have now also been published on a fringe website, and theyre circulating on far right message boards. One user posted that the jurors had, quote, signed their Death Warrant as soon as they indicted donald trump. I want to bring in nbcs ryan reilly whos been following developments in both stories. Joyce vance is a former u. S. Attorney, Law Professor at the University Of Alabama and an msnbc legal analyst, and Barbara Comstock is a lawyer who served as republican congresswoman from virginia. Good to have all of you here. I want to start, ryan, with the threats against the judge incredibly disturbing, racist, vile stuff. What more can you tell us about it . Yeah, and sadly somewhat predictable. I mean, this was sort of telegraphed from the very beginning. Whenever theres, say, a person of color who crosses donald trump, you can see some of the language that he uses in reference to them, frequently hes called them racist, just made these baseless claims against them is this indicator to a lot of his supporters. This week he used a word that rhymes with the n word in one of his posts which set off a lot of vile attacks on those individuals. So this is really just sort of par for the course at this point, but what we saw in this instance was actually this threat come in just after judge chutkan was named the judge and actually, what were learning is this arrest took place on friday, actually when chutkan had an appearance in the case, her first time she was on the bench in this case to deal with some of these issues about the discovery that was being turned over. Today were facing a court date, a deadline for the judge to say or rather for Donald Trumps team to say when they think the trial should be set, and judge chutkan has another hearing set for the 28th. This is something that we can expect to go ahead. Down in georgia, because of georgia law, these names, ended up posting the addresses of these grand jurors as well. Youve seen a lot of really vile language around that and a lot of threats against those grand jurors. Many people may not know this. You know the dangers of had this firsthand. Your fatherinlaw was an 11th Circuit Court judge when a dissatisfied litigant sent a mail bomb. As you see whats unfolded here, what goes through your mind . Well, courts and court families take these sorts of threats very seriously, and although some people might look at this as just a Phone Message or an email, someone blowing off steam, people on a website, for the folks that work in the legal system, the threat is still very real, particularly for the people in atlanta who remember the events where my fatherinlaw was killed and that involved a series of bombs being sent including one to the 11th Circuit Courthouse that fortunately didnt go off. These are very real risks. But people in the legal system and the judicial system, we knowingly take on these risks when we sign up for these jobs. For jurors, for witnesses, for these folks to be exposed to the threat of violence just for doing their civic duty as citizens is wholly unacceptable. They are the essence of domestic terrorism and i think its worthwhile for us just to take a minute and to remember to condemn this conduct. It is not all right to call judge chutkan racist slurs. It is never okay to threaten violence against people because you dont like the job that theyre doing. Where this criticism is absent is frankly from Republican Leadership who should be condemning this conduct, calling it unacceptable, and filling the void left by donald trump seeming condoing of it. Lets talk about that congresswoman, there is no known connection, we should point that out, between this woman and donald trump. What has been pointed out, however, is that her call, that threatening call came just a day after donald trump posted a message saying if you go after me, im coming after you. So is it fair or unfair to draw a line between these incidents . Well, i think it is fair because for years trump has put out that sort of permission that, you know, to go after, and kudos to Asa Hutchinson who did put out a statement pointing out that when he was a prosecutor, he went after the kkk, and he was targeted by them, by kkk, so he understands this and he and Chris Christie have criticized the targeting of Law Enforcement and the criticism of Law Enforcement by donald trump and other candidates who havent defended Law Enforcement. And we should have Republican Leadership at all levels criticizing those who are attacking them because this is vile, and to have this type of assault on Law Enforcement across the board is frightening, and you know, you used to have, you know, back in the day Ronald Reagan went out and made clear he doesnt want anyone in his name ever to make attacks like this, and it used to be this would be criticized across the board as it should be. And what about the Chilling Effect congresswoman, i mean, you have members of a grand jury who set aside their lives, who served the system, and now theyre scared. Well, and thats why Republican Leaders should say none of this should be acceptable, and every republican leader, i would hope next week at the debate that everybody at the debate should call out and say this is unacceptable, and they should call on donald trump to say he doesnt want anybody in his name to ever take any action like this, and he should be zipping his lips on all of this, but unfortunately, you know, the misogyny and the racism from donald trump particularly if theres a prosecutor whos a woman or minority, he always doubles down on these type of things. So joyce, i want to remind folks what judge chutkan had to say to donald trump last friday at a hearing through his lawyer, john lauro. Even arguably ambiguous statements by the parties or their counsel if they could be reasonably interpreted to intimidate witnesses or to prejudice potential jurors can threat the judicial process. I will take whatever measures are necessary to safeguard the integrity of these proceedings. The kinds of threats that were seeing, the publication of names of grand jurors on a far right website, does that fit into safeguarding the integrity of the proceedings . And if so, what can she do about it . So i think thats exactly the question. She has a lot of tools in her tool kit. The question is which she prepared to use . Would she, for instance, lock the former president up pending trial, in essence, revoking his bond because hes violated his conditions of release. You know, if this were any other defendant and if they were making the threat like if come for me, ill come for you if that was conveyed in person or donald trump told a witness in person dont go and testify in front of the grand jury, prosecutors who got wind of that would treat it like the obstructive conduct it is, and they would consider revoking a bond or at least some preliminary steps that direction. But trump insulates himself by using social media. Thats a very loud megaphone that he has strapped to his mouth when he makes these comments on social media, and yet, theres just enough removed there that its always given him waffle room in the past to say he was joking or he didnt mean it the way it landed. Judge chutkan now gets to make the call on whether these are, in fact, serious incidents. It will also be up to prosecutors to characterize them that way, but clearly, were at the point in time where serious action needs to be taken because real people will begin to pay for Donald Trumps misconduct. Whether that means shes serious about having a speedier trial, still within constitutional constraints, but pushing the schedule because he makes those comments or doing Something Else like considering a gag order, which of course comes at the risk of a lot of First Amendment litigation, well learn more in this hearing at the end of the month. So ryan, do we know anything about these folks who are putting out the personal information, the addresses of these grand jurors . You know, weve seen a lot of targeting of these grand jurors just generally on social media. Weve seen some of the images that have been posted on social media platforms, specifically this website where the addresses were posted is one that has been associated frankly with other acts of violence in the past and just uses a lot of really vile rhetoric in sort of the bowls of the bowels of the internet, one of the worst places you can go. Thats what makes this so frightening, you have a lot of disturbed individuals who are congregating on those areas, and you know, theres just a lot of parallels between what happened on january 6th and whats now happening here whereas, you know, theres this idea that a lot of the Republican Base has tha the election was stolen right, in that instance, they can justify very easily what happened on january 6th. And people who were attacking officers who were protecting the building. And just in this case, if you believe honestly that this is all a witch hunt, that this is all fake, that this is all dishonest, these prosecutions against donald trump, you can justify, sadly a lot of really abhorrent behavior that we see happening on social media and really ratcheting up these attacks. Ryan reilly, joyce vance, thank you. Former congresswoman Barbara Comstock, youre going to stay with me. Appreciate all of you today for that important conversation. When were back in 60 seconds, the search for the missing grows more urgent in hawaii with new fears about children who may have been trapped in an unrelenting blaze. Never seen, this is apocalyptic. Its terrible. Its terrible. Astepro allergy, steroid free allergy relief that starts working in 30 minutes, while other Allergy Sprays take hours. With astepros unbeatably fast allergy relief you can astepro and go age is just a number, and mines unlisted. 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In hawaii even as schools reopen and traffic begins to move, the news is very grim. 111 people confirmed dead. Just nine bodies have been identified. A fear now is that many of those victims still not found could be children. Because the power was out schools were canceled last tuesday, as one Kindergarten Teacher told the wall street journal, parents work one, two, three jobs just to get by, and they cant afford to take a day off, which means many of those kids were home alone when the fire started. A new lawsuit accuses hawaiis Largest Power Company of Gross Negligence saying they delayed projects that would have prevented this very tragedy. Nbcs Steve Patterson is on the ground in maui. Steve, there is an ap analysis that found hawaii is one of the riskiest states in the country and getting more dangerous. This month alone, the federal government declared six different Fire Disasters in the state. Thats the same number recorded from 53 to 2003. So what do we know about the response to this disaster and if the level of loss might have been mitigated . Reporter well not only the longterm of those disasters that have been recorded, which is a Staggering Amount over the amount of time. The forecast on the day, the National Weather service was predicting 45 miles an hour sustained winds with 69 miles an hour wind gusts. That is fire weather if ive ever heard it. You have to look at the before and the during as part of this investigation. The during sort of what the we know the State Attorney General will look at, the before pertains to these lawsuits, the lawsuits allege essentially Gross Negligence that not only should the power have been cut to energize power lines to really the entire sector that was affected because of the forecast that was coming in, but that there had been, you know, allegations of mismanagement for years. There were sustainability projects that were never followed through on, that grid was never stabilized. There should have been failsaves in case of a major wind event. That wasnt followed through either. This is all part of these multiple lawsuits that are being looked at, and then you go to the during and now youre looking at an investigation that will be handled by the attorney general, but theres more pressure from the legislature here to have a thirdparty independent investigation as well. They will look at the conduct of the Emergency Managers in this case, could more have been done in general . Should those sirens have gone off . We know the state has admitted they didnt, and they shouldnt. So all of that will be taken into this, but meanwhile, families are hurting and in many cases, they still have multiple members of their families that are missing as this search continues. Chris. Steve patterson, thank you for that. And theres tragedy in india to tell you about where days of torrential rain have killed at least 72 people. The videos of the monsoon in the mountains are jaw dropping. The rain triggering landslides literally sweeping homes down the hillside and prompting at least 2,000 rescues. Emergency teams are bringing life vests and boats to those stranded. You can see families, Young Children making their way to safety. Roads remain impassable and schools are shut down in that regions capital city. Up next at this point, is it possible to rule out criminal indictments as Donald Trumps political kryptonite. What new polling reveals and why independent voters could hold the answer. Plus, after claiming our elections are full of fraud without any proof, new voter fraud Hunting Tools from a conservative election activist that our experts are sounding the alarm about ahead of 2024. Youre watching Chris Jansing reports only on msnbc. Hris jang reports only on msnbc ahhhh. 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