He is going to be moderating that leg of the tour, fascinating. And then just a few days later, at the stop in atlanta, the moderator is going to be stacey abrams. I am very excited about them, about all of their really excellent moderators. So, anyway, if you want to get a seat before the tickets are all gone, you can go to msnbc. Com slash prequel. Slash prequel, pr eq you the l, and i hope to see you there. Okay, thats it, that does it for us tonight. Now its time for the last word with lawrence odonnell. Good evening, lawrence. Good evening, rachel, just completing my update notes. It is phoenix, october, 20 what . 25th. 25th, phoenix, october, 25th. All right. And is it true that marty walsh is going to be the moderator at the boston event . There is no boston event. Although, every time i have met somebody from boston since you lambasted me over that on tv, every single time i have been getting a bulking over not doing a boston event. But you are doing a Western Massachusetts event, which is kind of rare. Most people do it the other way, because that is where the people are. But i have to say, in the history of the commonwealth of massachusetts, you are writing a lot of historic imbalances by doing the western part of the state instead of where the people are. And where the bookstores are in the eastern part there are plenty of people in Western Massachusetts, we just keep a little more social distance. We like a little more elbow room. Rachel, by the way, i want to commend you for your coverage of the Trump Campaign today, which took place, of course, in a manhattan courthouse. That is exactly the way i saw. It he wasnt there for the trial, it was all about how he was going to campaign in the hallway, and try to hijack the coverage of the trial. Which has mostly worked, if you surveyed a lot of tv news today,. What donald trump says outside of the courtroom he gets more attention than what is said inside the courtroom, which is not the way we are going to be doing it in this hour, and is not the way you did in your hour. I will say that it is interesting to me to see the way that this particular trial makes him proverbially yelp. Like, apparently the public exposure of the smallness of his business is the thing that spurs him into action. Much more than the threat of prison or any of the other potential consequences of any other charges against him. It is simply about being exposed, smaller than he would like to be seen in a financial stance. Thats the thing that gets him almost, you know, sort of uncontrollably emotional in the courtroom today. Is to be believed. Rachel, we are going to go inside the room to the extent that we can without who was in the room today. And at the very end of the hour, we are going to be joined by congressman andy kim, who you mentioned at the end of your hour. He announced candidate democrat running against Robert Menendez, if Robert Menendez runs in new jersey. And he came in the house representatives, he was the very first member of congress in the house or senate to call for president , golden, thank, you lawrence. Thanks, rachel, thank you. Donald trump went to court today and once again, New York City did not care. Now, he might recall that there was much miss placed public worry about what could happen the very first time defendant trump had to go to court in New York City facing his first criminal indictment. What seemed like years ago, but was actually a very Pleasant Spring day, only six months ago. Donald trump has been indicted six more times and much more serious cases, making that forced Court Appearance in new york as a Park Criminal Defendant just a memory now. Donald trump publicly begged his supporters then to show up and protest in manhattan on that day, when they refused to come. Even though there are millions and millions of trump voters living within an hours drive of manhattan. And thousands living in manhattan itself. A couple of dozen very peaceful Trump Supporters showed up that day, i went down there and i walked among them that they. Correctly having absolutely no fear at all of what they might do, especially because the violent Trump Supporters who were willing to roar right for him were already in prison, or out on bail awaiting trial for the attack on the capitol on january 6th. One of the effects intended effects of criminal prosecution is deterrence. And every potentially violent trump not in america now knows that there is nothing donald trump can do to save them from going to prison. If they want to go to an american courthouse and go to war for donald trump. So there hasnt been a whiff of violence, or any unruly protest at any of the trump Court Appearances. And today, in manhattan, donald trump became just another guy from queens whose life took enough wrong turns for him to end up as a defendant in the manhattan courthouse. He is a civil defendant in this case charged with fraud by new york states attorney general. Donald trump is obviously decided to attend the trial, not because of what happens in the courtroom, but so that he can dominate the Media Coverage of the trial by making statements outside of the courtroom before and after the court session, and during the recess breaks, donald trump did that relentlessly today. We will show you nothing of what he had to say in those statements, because they are filled with lies. Lies about new yorks attorney general, and the judge in the case, and what we will show you, the occasional outright hallucination about joe biden. If i didnt, run i would be sitting right now in a beach, like biden does. Every thing donald trump said outside the courtroom was specifically designed to distract from the actual elements of the case inside the courtroom. He did say one thing that is relevant to his defense in the case. And that is the fraud overstating his actually harmed nobody. He is what donald trump said outside the courtroom about those loans. They were paid back on time, there was nodefault, there were no problems, the banks got back their money. Again, it was never a default. It was never a problem. Everything was perfect. There was no crime. And Andrew Weissmann will analyze the legal validity of that statement the moment. The hundreds and hundreds of other words donald trump said for the campers were entirely irrelevant and or outright lies and hallucinations. Including his vicious lying attacks on new york to 20 general, letitia james, and his even more intense attacks against the judge in the case, who donald trump lied about if you are really eager to hear donald trump lying about the judge, you can hear that on other programs, or online. But not here. Donald trumps plan and showing up at the courthouse today was to get tv coverage for his lies. The ongoing challenge in covering donald trump continues to be, as it always has been, how to cover donald trump without helping to amplify his lies and deliver them to even more people. Donald trump did speak in the courtroom today, but only in portions of a video recorded deposition for the case. In the deposition testimony, revealed in court today, we discover that of course Donald Trumps inhouse accountant Allen Weisselberg, who has pleaded guilty to committing criminal fraud while working for donald trump, is not a real accountant. Confidence has never been a reason for donald trump to hire people, and that is certainly the case with Allen Weisselberg who, it is under oath testimony, admitted that he doesnt know anything about generally accepted Accounting Principles. Which in accounting are identified by the initials g a a p, pronounced gap. If i said the praise phrase gap, g a ap, are you familiar with that acronym . Ive heard of, it yes. Tell me everything you know about gap, what is gap . Generally accepted academy principles, i dont know what is in, gap i have never took the exam. I never studied for it. So i dont know all the various components of what gap is. Are there any components you know about what gap is . Not really. Accountancy dont take the exam come cheap, and of, course Donald Trumps guy never took the cpa exam. Never studied for it. The fraud case is about gap, generally accepted Accounting Principles, Donald Trumps continued violation of generally accepted Accounting Principles, which he is under oath testimony, in his deposition, blamed on allen wrestle berg. To me, your obligation here of presenting the information in accordance with gap was alan russell responsible for that . I would say yes. So donald trump in his Underneath Deposition said that the person whose obligation it was to follow generally accepted Accounting Principles was allen westberg, who testified under oath that he doesnt know what they are. Leading off our discussion tonight, hes adam glass field. He is the senior Legal Correspondent for the messenger, it was in the courtroom for todays proceedings. They will, brad say youre good cube author of trump nation, the art of host of the bloomberg podcast crashing course. And an msnbc political analyst. Also with, us and youre weisman, former fbi General Counsel and former chief of the Criminal Division in the Eastern District of new york. He is a professor at Nyu Law School and coast of the Podcast Prosecuting donald trump. Andrew, let me begin with you. The one word of defense, line of defense that we heard from donald trump outside the courtroom, the only thing that actually it could change to the case in the way, thats him saying, look, none of these loans involved any problems for the banks. Although loans were paid back. So even if there was someone accuracy or disagreement obtaining the loans, what matters is the loans were all paid back. How does that work as a line of defense . Well, legally through relevant. That is not a defense to the six counts that are under trial. Remember, one counters has already been found guilty by the judge. The issue here, but to potential defenses are intent, in other words, was their intent on the part of each of the defendants, including donald trump, to mislead. And there seems to be based on what the judge has already said. There is going to be significant evidence of that. The other is did the banks or Insurance Companies rely on the false statements . Meaning, did they care about. It or did they make their own determinations they stormed their own analyses. Again, i think on that it is important to remember that it is necessary that the judges said that, that you have to find it. But if you ask the bank officer, would it make a difference to you if the person asking for a loan is a veteran and has committed fraud in the course of their business. It is hard to imagine that an executive from a Major Financial Institution is going to say no, it does not matter. Thats sort of subjective, a view of the person who is asking for militant, militant dollars, its going to be something that is important to the group. Its also remember what the person says is going to be relevant to not only the size of the loan that you might make. But also the rate that you charge the person. So whether you ultimately pay it back, that is not your call. The issue was whether the bank would be willing to give you and its what rate. It just is not a defense. And its also one where, remember, this is tied to the judge, not to a jury. So the judge is not any way shape or form going to be buying off on a legal defense. Tim obrien, i am waiting for the testimony from the Bank Official who says, well, i read tim obriens book about donald trump lying about his wealth and his assets, where would like to know from these Bank Officials if they didnt read your book, why didnt they . Because in some cases, they were just willing to go along for the ride during trumps fleshliest media. It was simpler to give him the loan and then look the other way. Or in other cases, i think they believed the hype. You know . The thing that you raised about a gap, it is both donald trump and Allen Weisselberg, certainly they know what gap is. It may not be that they know what every component of a Financial Statement is that allows you to say it comports with generally accepted Accounting Principles. But they know essentially it is a Good Housekeeping seal of approval. And in fact, one of the documents trump routinely trotted out to the media and gave his bankers a statement of Financial Condition was this semi ridiculous document that trump and Allen Weisselberg conducted at the Trump Organization put it out into the world as a statement of what is worth was. And in every single one of those documents, it said that this does not comport with gap. The people that people put them in their workers on accountants. Trump routinely tried to strongarm as accountants to see that the documents from bordered with gap. And they wouldnt do it. And he knew i. And he knew that they wouldnt do it because they didnt believe him. And he was sitting there with a bicycle pump essentially, pumping it up and down every day around every assateague island. I think the banks either looked away, the banks took him out his word, the banks. In any case, however that played out, they were willing to go along with what he was telling them. Adam class failed, because you are in the courtroom, i want to give you the last word privilege as guests who were in the courtroom always get, tell us anything you think we need to know about what happened in the courtroom that we dont yet know. And dont even know how to ask about. And whatever you think is the evidentiary high points or important points of the day . One thing that wont come across with the pond going into the courtroom and seeing trump entering the courtroom was something that we basically started the show with. Which was the fact that trump was deeply unhappy. Now, i attended trumps arraignment in the hush money case in new york. His arraignment on the Election Obstruction Case in washington d. C. This was the sourest i have seen trump enter a courtroom. And it seems that legal journalists covering these cases might have to find new synonyms for lowry. He entered the courtroom very hunched over, taking very deliberate steps until he sat at the Defense Table for the day to begin. And it goes to the point that was made just at the start of this show, that this case, those civil cases, though not one of his four indictment has cut to the heart of things, has made the former president deeply unhappy. Adam, in the last few minutes of the day, apparently the judge indicated that there is a statute of limitations restraint that could come to bear on a certain amount of the evidence in this case. How do you expect that to effect the case Going Forward . Now that was very interesting moment, because it was just a split screen about how the day started, and that Glowering Posture that i mentioned. And what trumps reaction was at that moment is that he put both of his hands up and gave two thumbs up when the judge made an issue of the statute of limitations. Basically said it in the context of, we have had the first Witness Testimony of the day, and the testimony related to conduct that was around 2011. And in order, the judge said, hey, if you dont connect this to conduct from later on in 2014, this stuff isnt really relevant. Now, trump had a different take on that, a little bit more expensive take on that after the day was over. But the judge was very clear in his ruling, and i encourage folks to read the ruling. That the statute of limitations issue was an argument from trumps attorneys that he rejected. Its an important issue, its an issue that will come up on appeal. And the judge is definitely going to hold the a. G. s feet to the fire in terms of the visibility to make it clear that the testimony she brings in, and that the evidence that she elicits go to the heart of when the timeframe of this cases. Adam glass, felt nothing like being in the courtroom, always invaluable, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Tim obrien, thank you, Andrew Weissmann, thank you for starting our fall discussions. And when we come back with the first speedy trial speeding toward, us in georgia, at the end of the month, they District Ernie has already flipped one codefendant into a cooperating witness for the prosecution. 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