Democrats are making it clear they will not provide the life raft for him. Let republicans deal with their own problems. I mean, let them wallow in their pig sty of incompetence. But the Big Question Hanging Over The Hill right now, if not mccarthy, then who . I want to bring in ali vitali on capitol hill. Also with us, Washington Post national reporter, carol lehning. Former aid to speakers paul ryan and john boehner and msnbc political analyst, brendan buck. Were also joined by former republican congressman from florida, carlos. Ali, ive been away from you for all of a minute so i know either someones walked by you or youre getting texts. Tell us where everything stands right now. Certainly both. As we went off the air with you, congressman chip roy walked by. I asked if he thought any of these other hard liners could have their minds changed. He said well see. The reporting we did just a few minutes ago says a lot of these folk who said their going to vote against mccarthy probably cant be moved and democrats are not eager to step in and save him. Its important we reference the conversation that the majority of republicans are having right now, including some members like members who are part of mccarthys leadership team. Listen to what she said. This is a gift to matt gaetz. Gaetz is not interested in making sure that we can continue to govern. He has suggested that he wanted to see the appropriations process move forward but in fact, hes actually thwarting. Unfortunately, the American People are pawns in his narsistic game of charades. And so youre seeing bice there Kevin Mccarthy is an impossible job. His job is impossible. I dont give a care who the speaker would be. Its an impossible job today. Its impossible. Most difficult job in the country. And so again, theres congressman troy nels, the conversation i was having with him on his way in to votes, hes stating the obvious, which is this is a very difficult position mccarthy finds himself in, but again, i think its important we come back to the facts we know then of course what we dont. We dont know whats going to happen on the floor. We expect this motion to table the motion effectively saying hey, lets not vote on mccarthys speakership and its fate. Thats going to happen first then if that fails and the vote proceeds on to an actual motion to vacate, as of right now, the math is not in favor of mccarthy. Again, ive abandoned by crystal ball when i started covering politics in 2015. I no longer predict to know whats going to happen on the floor, but we expect those six people are not going to be moved and that democrats are not coming to his aid. And quite frankly, this is historic, but its also the culmination of multiple other speakers, and im so glad brendan is here because these are the situations his old bosses left to avoid. The pressure from the most conservative and most right flank of this conference trying to leverage power over a speaker, neutralize the speakers ability to control the majority, and weve watched this House Majority and the minority that has been able to pull mccarthy under their control and in many ways, make him force concessions that lead him to exactly this point. So its historic but its also true that it was almost bound to happen this way for some republican speaker because for boehner, for ryan, they all lived under this threat. I dont think theres anybody who sat with us and we were all live when vote after vote after vote happened until mccarthy finally had the votes, who didnt predict how difficult a job he was getting. As somebody who has seen this play out up close and personal, brendan, i think you were with paul ryan when the boehner vote came up. The boehner challenge came up and of course you also worked for john boehner. The question i get most often is not about the internal politics of this. Its not about what the rules of procedure are. Its why would anybody want that job. I look at right now what Kevin Mccarthy is going through and it doesnt seem like anything but a logical question, brendan. Totally fair. The rules of procedure are a big reason why this job is to hard right now. Its this motion to vacate. I think its a cancer and it became a huge problem for republican governors for many, many years. Mccarthy tried to avoid this. Mccarthy said he was going to keep it that way but it was one of the last concessions he had to make to become speaker. There was probably no way he could avoid that, but he knew the second he lowered this threshold down to one member, this was going to happen some day. John boehner faced this very threat. I think he could have survived that because he had some good will among democrats who probably would have stepped up and saved him. When paul ryan took over, he said look, im not going to live this way. Im not going to be Speaker Of The House with this gun pointed at my head all the time. Basically arranged a Handshake Agreement with the Freedom Caucus to say youre never going use this against me and that held for as long as we were there. Mccarthy knew this day was coming. You cant govern like this when just any one member or five members, i guess, can set the, can make a constitutional change. A constitutional officer change hands. When teaming up with democrats. Its absurd. Its why he was pushed so many times to the right, to the right, to the right, making promises he knew he couldnt deliver on. If you want to give some credit to some of these guys who are trying to push him out, there is some truth to the fact he made some promises probably in the beginning of this term and couldnt deliver on. Couldnt promise to deliver certain spending levels. Couldnt promise the rules would always be followed the same way. Eventually, thats going to catch up to you. At the same time, this is a situation where if he had more room to breathe, if he wasnt always having to bend to what theyre doing because they have the weapon against him, the house would govern so much better. Its in their best interest to make this problem go away. I think he would find it much easier to work with democrats. Make it a better functioning place if he wasnt so worried his job was always being threatened. If hes no longer speaker, the next person is going to face this thing. Even more so, a more acute threat. The next speaker is going to know at any moment, they can be taken out and democrats will help take them out. Thats why its short sided for democrats to let mccarthy go. I get they dont want to save him. They hate him. I get it. They think about how this place works, the function of this institution, this is a really bad day. Motion to vacate is a really big problem and we know it. It has been for a long time. This was never used like this for about 100 years. It was basically created in case your speaker goes senile and you need to get rid of it. It wasnt intended because you have a disagreement against the speaker and it got Weaponized Under Boehner and ryan and is being used here today. So it looks like theyre going to the chair, but carlos, as predicted, do we want to listen in . Okay. Gentle lady from pennsylvania. Mr. Speaker, we would request a Role Call Vote on the rule. Requested. Those favors a Roll Call Vote will rise. Members will record their votes by Electronic Device. This is a five minute vote. So carlos, two things weve seen now to your prediction, which is that the democrats, this is taking longer. This is not about Kevin Mccarthy. This was a prelude to what we knew would be those votes. The dems voted by paper to slow it down. Now theyre asking for a roll call. I know you have been working. Your text, your phone. Talking to folks who are on the inside. What are you hearing . Status quo for now. It seems like democrats are going to stay united. Theyre not going to bail out mccarthy. Some of the centrist democrats asked for 24 hours, perhaps try to form a coalition to save the house from this moment but ill give him some credit here. This is something that had to happen, chris. This is something boehner postponed in 2015 by resigning. A lot of us asked him to stay to force the vote to see how democrats would respond. To see how many republicans would actually go through with it. It was mark meadows at the time. The one that was threatening john boehner. But boehner decided that he would sacrifice himself and let paul ryan take over. Things were a bit more stable under paul ryan but still there was this restlessness inside the House Republican conference. This has all come to a head now. Although this is going to be a difficult day for this institution, chris, i think this was a necessary day and that after this day, the institution is going to find a better way forward. Theyre going to find that point of stability of home owe stacy is where perhaps republicans and democrats can Work Together more. Where perhaps individual members are empowered more to file amendments on the floor. To have their ideas debated. Not this top heavy system that has created and grown so much resentment in the rank and file to the point where you have a small faction of republicans today, the only armed faction in the house, which is another part of the problem. Embarrassing their own speaker and raising all sorts of questions about what the next few weeks look like for the House Of Representatives, the u. S. Government and the country. While this vote goes, again, not related to mccarthy, we are getting color on the floor from scott, one of our producers who is there on the hill. He writes in the House Chamber before the mccarthy vote, dems are chatty while republicans are mostly sitting down and subdued. Lots of tension on the gop side of the aisle. We heard it in our last hour when i was interviewing byron and dan, two of the members of congress who are very much against removing Speaker Mccarthy. How did we get here, carol . It feels very much like the only possible result after january 6th. You may remember there was some pretty incredible tension even among republicans on the house floor. Remember the house floor was shut down and security detail agents were pulling their weapons to protect the house from incoming marauders and rioters attacking the capitol, trying to block the certification of the vote. That blocking of the certification was really set in motion by donald trump and donald trump has continued to stoke this sort of right flank in the house. To encourage them and to empower them with his support that he still holds so much sway over in the Republican Party. To get to his goal of being speaker, Kevin Mccarthy just a second, were watching Speaker Mccarthy. Lets listen if we have sound there. A handful of republicans determine Speaker Of The House. What about the republicans who are opposed to you . What has gone on . What is their thinking . These are the same ones who opposed me before. So turning the floor over to the democrats. What does it say to the fact youre the first speaker to face this . This resolution on his own, but the fact that youre facing this, doesnt that Say Something about The Speakership or is that the narrow majority . Boehner didnt i continue to work through it. I know you dont like hypothetical questions but if this goes to a speaker vote eventually, will you continue to stand for speaker vote after vote. Well see what happens. What does this chaos say about republicans right now, that youre continuing to have these battles . The Speaker Of The House, Kevin Mccarthy, walking toward what will be an historic vote. Only the third attempt in u. S. History to remove the speaker this way. In 1910, it was joseph canon. In 2015, it was john boehner and now we just heard from him what we could hear is those are the same ones who opposed me before, which is true. Theres a long standing history of animosity, particularly between the speaker and matt gaetz. Then when he was asked if he would continue potentially vote after vote after vote, he said we will see what happens. Carol, this is a man in an historic moment fighting as he originally did to become speaker to stay speaker. Right. It was sort of striking from democrats who said one of the things they find the most worrisome and some republicans share this view was that Kevin Mccarthy has been focused on i want to be speaker and i want to be speaker at any cost. The cost is now coming due. The cost was essentially buying off, thats not a very polite word. Let me try another. It was essentially creating a series of promises. Some of which he couldnt keep, to this right flank that was enabled and empowered by donald trump even though donald trump wasnt president anymore. The bill has come due. And wanting to be speaker so badly will lead you into i think this kind of problem according to a lot of democrats and republicans. Democrats now are so furious because they watched according to my colleagues at the Washington Post, they watched a appearance that Speaker Mccarthy made on sunday blaming democrats for wanting to shutdown the government. And they were outraged because as they watched it, they raised the question so why is he asking us now to help him save his speakership . That doesnt make any sense since hes willing to blame us. The only people who came to his rescue to keep the government going. We are Just Moments Away then there will be a motion to vacate. Will mccarthy survive as speaker . Well be back in 60 seconds. E as speaker . Well be back in 60 seconds. 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Dont pause a moment longer. Ask your doctor or pharmacist about getting vaccinated against Pneumococcal Pneumonia today. If you want to get a sense of the momentus news of what is about to happen, the motion to get rid of the Speaker Of The House, were getting a little indication from our producer who is inside the chamber, this is what he just wrote. Its Standing Room Only in the Press Gallery in the chamber. Every seat is full. Typically, that only happens for the State Of The Union and many reporters dont have seats. Across from us, entire sections of the house gallery where members of the public sit are absolutely full. Full to witness history. I want to bring in senior Political Correspondent at the washington examiner, david. Good to see you. You said on x on twitter this vote is more than a decade in the making. That it was only a matter of time before some republican member targeted some republican speaker. Talk about what were watching unfold right now. Well, were looking at the culmination of what i think is a decade of Antiestablishment Ferver in the Republican Party. That has really devolved into anti institution ferver. So number one, theres little regard for the establishment of the Republican Party. Also little regard for the institution of the house. This is a big problem, this problem goes beyond republican whos seen it on both sides of the aisle, but with republicans, its particularly acute and when you hand a few members the ability to depose a speaker with one vote, which is essentially what is happening here, its going to take more than one vote to happen but only one vote was needed to call the vote. Its just a matter of time before its going to be used because if you live in these republican districts, if you live on Conservative Media, if you talk to the activists and if you look at potential head of the Republican Party for the last you know almost eight years, donald trump, the former president , what have you been hearing . You have been hearing that republicans dont get enough done because they dont fight hard enough and if they would only fight hard enough, the unrealistic results would actually be realistic and so you dont have a Republican Base that believes in incremental progress built on incremental progress, they dont take any pleasure from governing. They dont reward republicans for governing. They want to hit a Grand Slam Home Run and if you hit a single, they want to send you back down to the minors so that is why eventually this was going to happen one way or the other. Especially once Kevin Mccarthy made a deal with the right flank of his conference to allow one solitary member