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MSNBCW All July 3, 2024

Israelhamas war. New this, our President Biden, on his way to israel. You plans to meet with israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. A critically important meeting, at a critically important time. Also new today, The State Department had issued a level for Travel Advisory for lebanon. Saying, americans should avoid traveling to the country, setting the unpredictable Security Situation created by rocket, missile, and Security Exchanges between israel, and hezbollah. We have new numbers for you at this hour. We have confirmation from u. S. Officials, 31 americans have been killed in the attack. 13, unaccounted for. Present biden, expecting to meet with some of those families. It will be some of the families who have lost loved ones in israel, send some of the families who have, who still dont know the fate of their loved ones. In fact, some of the Family Members we expect will be Family Members of hostages that we know hamas has taken. Moving between biden, and palestinian leader, mahmoud abbas, following the blasted of gaza city hospital. That has killed, by some estimates, at least 500 palestinians. That number, according to the Health Ministry there. Hamas claims the blast was caused by an israeli airstrike, while the Israeli Military claims it has evidence that the blast was caused by a misfired rocket from another militant group. We have a report on that, in just a moment. President biden, expressing outrage, saying his National Security team is gathering information about, exactly, what happened. But, anger quickly turned to protest. Chaos in lebanon as Police Used Tear Gas to disperse crowds near the u. S. Embassy in beirut. Thousands, pouring onto the streets of baghdad to protest the Hospital Bombing. And, to show solidarity with the palestinians. A flag burning, as protests continued in amman, jordan. The Hospital Bombing, dominating the front pages of newspapers All Around The World this morning. Lets get right to nbc correspondent, raf sanchez, whos in israel for us today. What is going on in israel as the country and, of course, the prime waits the arrival . We expect Prime Minister netanyahu will meet President Biden on the tarmac at the ben gurion airport. This will exchange some words there, and theyre going to head to tel aviv. We have seen this unusual choreography for Secretary Of State, antony blinken,s previous trips. Americas top diplomat has, actually, sat in on the meetings of israels war cabinet. Very unusual. I cannot think of any other situation where such as Senior American Official has been sitting inside of the decisionmaking room of another government, even an allied government. Chris, all eyes, right now, are on the Alake Cause Spittle in gaza city. There is that explosion last night, appearing to have killed people at least 12 hours on from that last. There is still a heavy fog of war hanging over the situation. You can see, this is widespread, political ramifications. It is overturned bidens eight overturned jordan trip. President a boss, of the Palestinian Authority, supposed to meet President Biden in amman at the jordanian capital, but he called that meeting off after the strike on this hospital. They subsequently canceled the entire meeting. President bidens trip to the middle east, now, down to just this israel leg. In terms of what we know, and what we dont know, chris, about this Hospital Strike. The Palestinian Authority, palestinian Health Ministry says, up to 500 people were killed in this explosion. Many of those are in the familys, or the courtyard of this hospital, and people who believed, fatally, as it turns out, that if it was on the hospital grounds, they might be safe there. Now, israel is saying, this was a palestinian, Islamic Jihad rocket, which was fired from a cemetery, behind the hospital, which misfired, and landed in this courtyard. It is unclear, chs, how a single panel stingy and rocket could cause this level of damage. These rockets are deadly, they are dangerous, that they do not typically kill 500 people. But, the Israeli Military is, this morning, producing, what it says, is evidence to support its claim that this is a palestinian misfire. They have put out Drone Footage from the aftermath of the explosion at the hospital, and that they are pointing out. It was there to independently verify their claims, and saying that the Drone Footage shows that there is no crater outside of the hospital, which is what you would expect if this was an israeli airstrike, if this was an israeli heavy explosive. They are saying, this was a surface explosion, that there is not a lot of damage to buildings around, none of, which they, say is consistent with an israeli airstrike. Theyre also claiming to have, what they say, isnt intersected conversation between officials in palestinian Islamic Jihad, one of the smaller terrorist groups operating inside of gaza, where these officials appeared to have acknowledged, between themselves that this was a palestinian rocket that caused this explosion. Palestinians are, absolutely, adamant that this was an israeli airstrike. We should be clear, chris, you just do not normally see these death tolls associated with a palestinian rocket. We should also be clear, there is a track record with the Israeli Military of saying things in the early hours, after an incident, which turned out to be untrue in the long run. How reminder of the situation with shireen abu akleh, the journalist with algeria, killed in the occupied west bank. These really military said it was a palestinian gunmen who fired the fatal bullet, and that they, ultimately, acknowledged it was most likely an israeli soldier who killed her. I will say, the Israeli Military seem sure that they are pushing on every public channel on social media, and directly pressed to the israeli public. They seem sure, or are making a very strong case that they are sure, that this was a palestinian rocket. We are unable to get into gaza, the Israel Gaza Border is shield, the each of gaza border is shield, sealed our teams cannot get on the ground. Were hoping for every piece of information we can, and try to understand what happens here. The President Biden is going to be asked about this when hes on the ground here, and is one of the many, many uncomfortable questions he may be facing, flying into, what is, literally, a war zone here. It is just about this literal safety, we saw Secretary Of State blinken that would go to the bomb shelter. The it was a lot of concerns, and there is rocket fire, president at the import, what there was at the ministry, when he is in transit in between. Israel, of course, absolutely committed to the president s security here, and the fact that there is two American Carrier strike groups in the mediterranean right now to provide overhead support. Its not straightforward, chris. We have watched as all of the president s made that visit to kyiv, in wartime, under cover of darkness. I must tell you, this is a much faster moving situation, and the battle lines are much closer. Chris . Give us a sense, if you will, on the ground. Obviously, the news Hospital Bombing has been shaken the entire region to this core. Is there a sense . Is there an escalating concern about this possibility that this would come into a wider conflict . I think there is real pressure, chris, in governments all over the middle east right now. It seems to be doing something. The streets of arab capitals are enraged by the images coming from the hospital in gaza city. I say this very straightforwardly, chris. In a sense, it doesnt matter what the truth ends up being. People in these middle Eastern Countries will not believe any other version of events, and israel is responsible. That is already baked in. We are seeing these large protests in lebanon, in baghdad, and we are seeing people outside of the Israeli Embassy in turkey. We are seeing them, also, in jordan. One of the real concerns, chris, is the occupied west bank. It has been violence over the last couple of weeks, several dozen palestinians have been killed in clashes with the Israeli Military. It is killed in confrontations, in some cases, because of armed, israeli settlers. The west bank has not erupted in full scale chaos yet, and there is concern in gaza city that could be the spark in the west bank. It was the administrative capital of the occupied west bank. The anger of those protests, chris, is aimed at the israelis. It is also aimed at the Palestinian Authority, which many palestinians feel is a subcontractor of the israeli occupation. They feel it cooperates with israel. One of the things theyve been saying is they no security coordination. They want the Palestinian Authority to end, what is this, deep, underground relationship with israel to the palestinian forces to take dangerous people off the street right now. Chris . Thank you so much for that. Lets bring in joe reuben, serving as Assistant Secretary for state and legislative affairs in the obama administration. New lead Political Advocacy campaigns on National Security, and middle eastern policies. We also have retired lieutenant general, steph twitty, serving as Deputy Commander of the u. S. European command, and an msnbc military analyst. Thank you for being with us. Let me start with you, general. The Israeli Defense force said, clearly, and told reporters hours ago, they have intercepted Palestinian Communications approved Islamic Jihad is responsible for this Hospital Strike. You heard rat talk about the fact that they have Drone Footage, yes, it is grainy, but they say, shows that there is no crater outside of the hospital. Tell me your assessment, and how long it may take for and intelligence, and outside intelligence for what really happened here . I think we are in a sad situation here, given the fact that this bomb has killed so many people. Regardless of the outcome, and the investigation are a preliminary investigation, and an extensive investigation. These rallies are going to be blamed for this. We are starting to see the makings of a tinderbox happening. The u. S. , we have tried to work hard to keep this as a local fight, and as we show the footage, it starts to look like it is getting ready to go to something reasonable here. It was going to prevent it from happening, and it was good, to be quite honest with you. The president is going into israel, and you have to talk to the israelis on how we conduct measured, Military Operations to keep them to local, and to regional. They came together very quickly on monday, and this is just past 3 00 and washington, in new york. That, of course, was before they saw the images of the gaza Hospital Strike. How does this have and extraordinarily see the situation for the president . Chris, what this does is give the president to, frankly, speak truth. Just like they did after this horrendous attack over innocent civilians in israel so timber seventh. We saw it already in his statement, last night. A lot of outrage at the killings, the deaths of innocent civilians. It is going to be in a position to speak truth and public, and that is very important. As the general is pointing to, the Military Operations for israel is closing rapidly. There are several hundred israeli troops mobilizing along the border on gaza, and this trip is about demonstrating israel, and as well as deterrence towards other regional actors, potentially getting involved. One key component as well, talking what palestinians, and humanitarian assistance. A lot of these things are going to be on display, and i think its, the president can speak to that humanitarian side, while still showing support for israel, as it is fighting, many israelis think it is very existential conflict right now. On to play more of National Security council spokesman, john kirby, traveling on Air Force One Withhe president right now had to say about the agenda. Lets take a listen. When he talks to Prime Minister netanyah and the war cabinet, hes going to be doing a few things. One, as you will want to get a sense from the israelis about the situation on the ground, and critically, their objectives, their plans, their intentions, in the days, and weeks, ahead. He will be asking some tough questions, and asking them as a friend, a friend of israel. There will be asking some questions of them. Talk about the tough questions that the president needs to get answers, and one of the chances that they see of getting those answers . One of the hardest, most difficult things is what is your overall endgame . The the next day scenario after the fighting, and it is rooted in the American Experience in the last couple of decades, and getting into the military action, no justified it is, the it is not necessarily meeting one has a good day after scenario. So, really ensuring that the israelis have that plan if there is a Ground Offensive in the leadership inside of gaza. This is a real stand, occupy . For how long . How do they transition out . Who are they handed to the handing the keys to gaza . What is the diplomatic plan after that . Those are all crucial. The u. S. Has shown, through actions, that sending Battle Groups to the east mediterranean, to ensure that there is deterrence against hezbollah, and others. There is enough supply going into israel right now, it is supported militarily, and it is that political Military Strategy that is helpful to israel, and they say that anytime of battle plan, any day of the scenario. Again, they will be the day after, and these vehicles will be there, it is going l. Let me ask you more about the ground game. Multiple current, and former Administration Officials told nb one of the conditions of the president Visiting Israel is going to take place before israel in the engagemt. They gave palestinians 24 hours to evacuate gaz for days, later no ground siege, biden is just going to arrive later today. It was helping, or hurting israel strategically. How do they py , as you see it, but not just the overall game plan by israel, but particularly, it was there with netanyahu. Then i dont think it hurts at all, chris. It was a couple of things that are happening here that has caused, in my view, this delay in the ground game. The there was a humanitarian disaster that is occurring. You have to get a handle on this humanitarian disaster. If you do not, when you go in, you are going to have to deal with that problem. Not the u. N. , and others. When you go in, you own it. In the other piece now, and it is having an attack on the hospital, went over 500 people that, have been killed. You want to make sure that the Information Space on this simmers down, before you go in as well the, and once you go in the. It was israelis that were letting play out, and let them simmer down to the humanitarian crisis. When you go into how the right conditions are set, this also gives them extra time to do intel gathering on where the hostage is located, as this is going on as well. To get the signal intelligence, and other intelligence to find where the hostages are, in order to figure out where hamas is located. All of those things. So, the israelis do not wish to rush the fair here. Let these things play out, and then, at the right time, conduct to the ground engagement. General twitty, joe ruben, thank you both, youll be with us later on in the program. My next guest, talking to people in gaza, every single day. What she is hearing from people about that Hospital Bombing, next. Bombing, next more blasts and smoke, rising above buildings and gaza city this morning. It was awaiting for President Bidens, real complicating his visit is the violent, and heartbreaking scene at the hospital and gaza city. The palestinian Health Ministry says that the Rocket Strike killed 700 people. It was making denounced this morning. The fallout came fast, with clashes between protesters, and palestinian forc

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