Welcome to the second hour of Chris Jansing reports live at msnbc headquarters in new york, and right now, about 115 minutes since the House Gavelled out for recess. No solution in the speaker stalemate, but just in the last 30 minutes, since we last spoke about this, a lot has changed and were getting a new glimpse into just how high tensions are Behind Closed Doors within the republican conference. Heres what happened. Moments ago, republican Congressman Matt Gaetz confirmed that former speaker Kevin Mccarthy yelled at him in that gop conference meeting. Passions are a little inflamed, i think hes working through the stages of grief. Did Congressman Lunge at you as well . I think he was pretty animated. I dont know if i would describe it as a lunge. I said having a speaker light is a bad idea. I think republicans ought to stay in the conference until we elect a speaker. I think we have a lot of great folks. Im supporting jim jordan. That will be how it goes. Okay. Kevin mccarthy, you can see him, hes speaking to reporters right now. This is a live picture. In response to what we just heard from gaetz, he said gaetz tried to interrupt him while he was speaking, and he told him to sit down. We learned today congressman jim jordan, who failed to get enough votes to claim the gavel for himself is now backing a plan to temporarily empower Interim SpeakerPatrick Mchenry until january, but right now, its unclear when exactly that could come to a vote or if all republicans in the conference will even consider supporting it. You just heard what matt gaetz said, he called him speaker light, so thats a no. Andrew clyde tweeted this. No Coalition Government with radical democrats. Joining us now, nbcs ali vitali on capitol hill, former republican congressman charlie dent of pennsylvania is here, and brendan buck, former aide to house speakers paul ryan and john boehner, hes an msnbc political analyst. I mean, i understand that tensions are high. Sounds like tempers are high as well. What do we know about what happened here . The tension and tempers are arent new. Were seeing it spill over once again Behind Closed Doors behind Kevin Mccarthy and the man who started this entire thing, Congressman Matt Gaetz, the person who three weeks ago motioned to vacate the chair. He ended up giving seven colleagues on board with him, which put us in this lengthy situation, which is confusion is queen over here. I have to tell you as much as we have been talking between democrats and republicans, people trying to figure out if theres some kind of a bipartisan path forward on a resolution that would empower the speaker pro tem, one key member just left the republican meeting, and speaking to my colleague scott wong said reading the room, i think this thing is dead. The thing is the Empowering Mchenry bid. It was never going to be easy to sell this among republicans. Its not clear that this is 100 nail in the coffin on capitol hill. Democrats are waiting to see language on a resolution before they say theyre going to vote for this. Many republicans have come out and said what the tone and tenor of the tweets were that you mentioned. Also some are concerned about the precedent it sets like congressman mike gallagher. Listen to what he told us. I still have concerns about the constitutional precedent as well as i would say the practical effect, you know. I worry that it might inflame tensions. I think it is sincere. I had a long talk with david joyce. I worry that it might exacerbate the divide we see in the caucus right now. Reporter you hear gallagher saying it might further exacerbate the divides within the conference. Im not sure how that could happen. Just to be sure how were getting information, this is what it looks like. Members coming down the hallway, and reporters asking all the questions we can, to get a sense of what the lawmakers are talking about in the room. It is extremely chaotic. Its a moment where information is trickling out little by little, and frankly where none of the members are the only person who can speak to whats actually happening. Theyre not the only ones calling the play. Every individual has their own view of what should happen next here, and it truly is an environment of herding cats. Get back to us, im sure youre going to talk to more people want brendan, i mean, i couldnt agree more with her. How do you exacerbate this divide . Its pretty broad. You have concern about a constitutional precedent. You have andrew clyde tweeting about Coalition Governments with a radical democrat, and you heard what matt gaetz had to say, does this sound dead to you or could it still be saved . I wouldnt call it dead yet. The final nail isnt in the coffin, yeah. Its not surprising that the people on the far right is a good idea. Anything that gives democrats power takes power from them. Where does your power come from, where are you relevant. It is completely foreign to anyone in the conference to give up any power to the minority. The House Of Representatives is a completely institution. Theres a big difference between the slim majority and a real majority. Nobody wants to hear what matt gaetz has to say about this situation. Hes the person that caused this. And people will get really heated. They need a few more days to vent all of this before they realize, look, the alternative here is finding 217 votes for a republican. Great, lets do that. We have demonstrated thats not really possible. At some point theyll have to come to the conclusion this doesnt work. Doesnt mean theyre going to like it. Doesnt mean theyre going to cause lots of approximate for mchenry or jordan or whoever it may be. I want to remind people, theres a path ahead. Now, that gets procedural difficult. There will be votes on the floor, whether thats allowed. I think the constitutionality is not in question. The speaker pro tem can do things, and they have done things in the past. A resolution for support for israel. Thats next step if this doesnt workment. Im going to ask the control room it check me on this. The last thing he said was the best thing for the American People was it to elect for republicans to elect a speaker, thats not really on the table right now, congressman, so tell me how you see this scenario right now . I largely agree with my friend brendan. Youre witnessing a deeply fractured House Republican conference. Up to this point or up until yesterday, it was always, you know, the hard liners would make these demands and hold their breath and wait for everybody else to turn blue. What happened over the last two days, though, the fight was joined by what i would call very serious pragmatics, some might call centrist members. Mike simpson, steve womack, these are serious players who said they are not going to vote for jim jordan and reward bad conduct of those who want to burn the place down, and so now the fight is joined. You have a wing on the right, you know, led by matt gaetz that, you know, wants to take the house i think in a very bad direction, and these others who want to get back to governing, and so thats where they are right now. So obviously Empowering Mchenry, i think would be ideal. Whether he can do it on his own or not, im not sure, but at least its worth a try. Now, with respect to bipartisan governance, that may be the only option they have. I know this is foreign to members of the house but its been done in various states. Look, you can come up with a Power Sharing Arrangement whereby, similar to what the senate did at the start of the last session where it was split 50 50. In this case, republicans would control the chairmanships but you would have the committees spit evenly. They would have to negotiate that with the democrats at some point. There needs to be a conversation, and who leads that conversation, there is no speaker. The Majority Leader isnt the speaker pro tem mchen rhode island mchenry. Its clear, republicans dont have 217 among themselves for any one of their members. Its Empowering Mchenry or coming up with this bipartisan arrangement with somebody else. I dont see any other way out. And maybe what brendan said is the right thing, to let Mchenry Start acting as speaker and see how that plays out. I guess the question really is and ill start with you, brendan. We heard from ken buck, and he said, look, you have somebody who still wants to run in the interim who doesnt have 217 votes and will never get to 217 votes. How much who has the power here to direct where this is going . Yeah, well, nobody right now, but im glad you brought that up. Thats an interesting dynamic. Let me point to the different problem here. Obviously we know the far right doesnt like this. There is also a bit of a catch 22 with jim jordans decision to stick around. You have democrats who are looking at this and saying, hold on a second, and moderate republicans, too, now, youre already hearing grumbling from the people who dont like jordan, hold on a second, he needs to step down. He cant remain as our speaker designee, keeping him at the Leadership Table making him a shadow speaker. That doesnt work for us. Were not going to empower mchenry when jordan is calling the shots. If he steps down, maybe jordan no longer has an incentive to be for the plan. Maybe jordan pivots, i no longer like this plan either. Jordan being at the table causes problems. Jordan walking away also causes problems. Loved having you here brendan buck, i know youve got a train to chasm. Catch. Thank you, former congressman charlie dent great to have you here as well. Sidney powell pled guilty in the Georgia Election interference case. Laura jarrett is here to break down that breaking story for us. Trumps attorney said quote, assuming truthful testimony in the Fulton County case, it will be favorable to my overall defense strategy. How is a guilty plea a good thing for donald trump when prosecutors have said shell testify for them as part of the plea deal . Thats hard to square, chris, its hard to see how this is anything short of devastating to the former president s Legal Defense when this is a person who is there for critical meetings where theyre discussing, according to prosecutors, how to overturn the last election. As a part of this agreement, not only has powell agreed to plead guilty but shes agreed to write a letter of apology to the voters of georgia, to hand over documents to prosecutors, and of course as you mentioned, to testify against the former president as well as any other codefendants, and she has to do that truthfully or prosecutors could pull the deal. Of course she was facing 5 to 20 years in prison for these allegations, some serious charges, and she must have given them something pretty significant because now shes only facing six years, chris, in probation. Can you give us a better idea of what you mean by pretty significant . You know, shes there for some critical meetings, including one that happened around december, after the election had taken place, and it was at that meeting where the former president actually considered tapping her to be special counsel to investigate voter fraud so now shell be questioned about what exactly he knew, what exactly he said, and all of that will come at a trial, and this is happening just as she was set to go to trial there in georgia. Laura jarrett, always good to have you on the show. Thank you so much. Sure. Why critical relief is still stranded in egypt, awaiting the thousands of people trapped in gaza at the rafah border crossing. Were live in israel in 60 seconds. N israel in 60 seconds. Of listerine to your r. New science Shows Listerine is 5x more effective than floss at reducing plaque above the gumline. For a cleaner, healthier mouth. Ahhhhh. Listerine. Feel the whoa every day, more dog people are deciding its time for a fresh approach to pet food. Developed with vets. Made from real meat and veggies. Portioned for your dog. And delivered right to your door. Its smarter, healthier pet food. With food and medical supplies running desperately low inside the gaza strip, President Biden announced a key deal with egypt to get limited aid in gaza. Take a look at the scene inside one hospital where the situation is so dire doctors are carrying out critical operations with only the use of that small, mobile light. Heres what one of them told the associated press. We are in very difficult situation. Its catastrophic. Its terrible. No words can describe it. No words can describe it. I want to bring in nbcs raf sanchez in ashdot, israel. Do we know what the holdup is . Reporter no movement yet, chris. We dont know exactly what the hold up is. The white house is appealing for patience. They are hoping the crossing will be opened by tomorrow. That aid will be flowing in from egypt. That palestinian americans and others may be able to get out of gaza, get to somewhere safe. But, chris, for the 2 million Palestinian Civilians many of whom have been displaced from their homes following that israeli evacuation order, their frustration is mounting, their sense that they had been abandoned by the world is mounting. I have been speaking to a young mother. Her name is jumana, her baby daughter sophia turned 2 on the fourth day of the war, and i want you to listen to a clip from her. She really gives voice to the desperation that so many people are feeling inside gaza right now. Until now, we dont know really, actually, we dont know what will happen to us. Can you imagine . We dont know what will happen to our life in the upcoming hours, and we are losing our lives, we are losing everything. We dont have to leave our children. We dont have to feed all of these confusing feelings, and these terrifying feelings. We have to open the path to let help enter gaza for people here, for civilians. Understand this. Reporter and, chris, jumana is just one of so many parents who are desperately trying to give their children some sense of safety. For a 2yearold like her daughter sophia, that child is living through a major war now, but shes lived through several smaller rounds of fighting inside gaza already. There is just a sense as a parent that you can predict nothing. There is no move you can make that you know will result in safety for your child. And it is a heartbreaking situation for parents like jumana and so many others across gaza. Unimaginable. Raf, i also understand that the Israeli Defense minister just told troops that they would soon see gaza from, and this is a quote, the inside. What details do we have about what could come next . Reporter yeah, chris, the Israeli Defense minister, a couple of miles south of us here meeting israeli troops signaling yet again that a Ground Invasion looming. The question is when. And it has turned into something of a diplomatic Guessing Game here. The conventional wisdom is that the israelis are unlikely to launch a Ground Invasion while theres a western leader in town. We had President Biden here yesterday. British Prime Minister rishi sunak is here today. We expect Emmanuel Macron to be here in the coming days. It may be that the israelis surprise everyone announce the Ground Incursion is going on while a foreign leader is here. I can tell you, we have now for ten days or so seen masses of israeli armor, tanks, moving to the south, getting into position on the border and a lot of concern about whats going on in the north where cross border fighting, hezbollah, the iranian backed group, and hamas is intensifying. Its at its worst violence we have seen since the 2006 war, and theres a lot of concern that when israel goes into gaza as we expect they will, it could end facing a second front in the north. Chris. Raf sanchez, thank you p thank you so much for that. Fierce debate at the United Nations which is one of the only places where palestinian representatives are in the same space. The Security Council yesterday failed to pass a binding resolution, calling for humanitarian corridors into gaza and a pause in the fighting. The u. S. Vetoed that measure because it makes no mention of israels right to defend itself. Heres what israeli and palestinian diplomats had to say after that vote. Calling for calm, restraint and cease fires is like putting a bandaid on a bullet wound. Such stabs will not eradicate the cancer that is hamas. Humanitarian corridors will not prevent the next atrocity. We demand an apology. Those who did not or cannot call for a cease fire will lose any credibility, any authority, and share some of the responsibility for the devastation that is occurring now. Nbc news chief Foreign Affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell joins us now. Andrea, what more can you tell us about both the International Response to the war but also what role, if any, the u. N. Could actually play Going Forward . The u. N. Could play a very Important Role with peace keepers. They have had a u. N. Force in the region for decades and decades along the syrian border, so that is something that could be in play. They could end up ruling gaza if hamas were removed. There is definitely a u. N. Role. Right now the u. N. And the u. S. Are not on the same page. This was such a Rare Division of the Security Cou