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MSNBCW The July 2, 2024

Tonight, knowing that robert card its no longer a threat to anyone. I know there are some people many people who share that sentiment, but i also know that his death may not bring solace to many. But now is a time to heal. And with this search concluded, i know that Law Enforcement continues to fully investigate all the facts, so we can bring what closure we can to the victims and their families. All 18 victims in wednesdays attack have now been identified. I want to begin with nbcs kathy park, who is at the Press Conference in lewiston tonight. Kathy, thank you for being there. When else you hear from officials . And how are you . This had to be an extraordinary few days. Yeah, and an extraordinary 12 hours, to be quite frank with you, stephanie. So, at 10 00 this morning we got an update as to how Law Enforcement was going to move forward with their investigation. They talked about the law Police Presence in the lisbon area, the boat launch in that area, that is where the suspect abandoned vehicle was located, and thats why they decided to ramp up the activity there, and then at 5 00 this evening, just a couple of hours ago, they lifted the shelter in place order. And so shortly after that, we assume the investigation was still ongoing. Robert card was nowhere to be found and then in the 9 00 hour we got an update saying that there was going to be this Press Conference, and then shortly after that we found that robert card has been confirmed dead with an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound. Officials have not shared many more details beyond that, stephanie. Tomorrow at ten a. M. They hope to offer more details as to how the body was found, but as you mentioned, this community has been gripped with fear and a lot of anxiety with a man hunt underway, entering a third day, but Law Enforcement, as well as the governor, you heard her just a few moments ago saying this community can breathe a sigh of relief at this point. And there is some closure for the Family Members of the 18 victims. And of course more than a dozen people also were injured and are in recovery from their injuries this evening. This community was on pause for the last two days, because you are so many questions as to where this individual was hiding, potentially. A lot of questions as to where he may have fled to. Was he dead . Was he alive . But once again, in the past hour we found out that the proper, that robert card, the suspect in this Horrific Mass Shooting here in maine has been found dead. Stephanie . Cathy, thank you so. I want to bring in nbc correspondent george solis who is in lisbon main. Frank figliuzzi, it is here, a former fbi Assistant Director for counter intelligence, and michael sheppard, a reporter for the bangor the daily news, where hes reported on gun laws for the last two years. George, youre in the town where robert cards body was found. Tonight . Good evening, stephanie, well first of foremost this word has been spreading quickly throughout this community you. Her there during the Press Conference, Officials Saying that the bodies recovered around 7 45, but were didnt really break until much later this evening, and that is because they want to notify the Family Members of the victims first and they also, interestingly, said they wanted to notify the family of robert card, who they noted was being, frankly, cooperative during the investigation. Were some questions early on about that aspect of it, as more information came to light about robert cards Mental Health issues during this investigation. This particular area that i have been in was the center and focal point of the investigation earlier today. There were helicopters, both the androscoggin river, boats in the water, dive team because authorities were leaving no stone unturned, trying to see if they get any trace of robert card. We now know he was found not far from where i am standing right now, we are recycling facility, where Officials Say he may have worked there for a while, a vet self inflicted gunshot wound. Of course we waited for more details from the authorities. A ten a. M. Press Conference Tomorrow with more information about the details of how he was found, whether all the clues leading up to that moment, but i can tell you, being in town here over the last couple days, speak with some of those Family Members, just this evening i spoke with the relative of a Peyton Brewer ross. His brother bring this chapter to a close. Maine can begin the Healing Process in earnest now. And this is, again, some of the sentiment i have been hearing from some Family Members who have been on pause, the whole community on pause, frankly, waiting for any sign of robert card, whether dead or alive. Vigils have been on hold. The Port Memorials are on hold. We will maybe see more happening here in the next coming days as this community can now breathe that sigh of relief. Stephanie . Frank, what is your reaction to how cards body was found . Are you surprised . Im not surprised. Weve been talking since this happened about the likelihood that he may have killed himself and thats because for decades long enforcement has been studying Spree Killers and that is what we are dealing with, a spree killer, not a serial killer. Spree killers only stop by wanted to. Means they die at the hands of Law Enforcement or by their own hands. Thats what appears to have happened. Michael, you wrote about how unprecedented this size of this man hunt is in your state. The Community Must be breathing a sigh of relief. But i want to ask you about what george was talking about. Tonight, Lewiston Maine is relieved. But tomorrow, what happens tomorrow morning . The whole state must still be in shock. Yeah, this is maine. We are known for being a safe state. We have relatively relaxed gun law,s but a strong hunting culture. And this is a place that is just different from a lot of other states. So i think we have a lot of questions about how this suspect obtain this gun. Of course we have all heard about his mental state, that he did two weeks of Mental Health treatment, there is a lot of questions about whether police here wherever in touch with him, what they knew. Were going to learn a lot more. I think we really have heard a lot but more is going to trickle in about the stories of heroism, the Human Tragedies that unfolded at these places. So this is, the area is certainly relieved, that goes without saying, but theres a lot of healing, a lot more stories, a lot more heartbreak, i think. And its going to be, we are going to be, were still gonna be working double time to help this very human story. Frank, this ar15 style rifle killed 18 people, injured more, and his shut down a city of almost 40,000 people for the last two days. What does that say about how crazy this weapon is . It has become the Weapon Of Choice for mass killers. This particular weapon fired around that is known for its lethality. It passes through bodies. It is not unlikely that many of the people who were killed or injured in this incident were killed by a bullet that passed through someone else. Four minutes of the 911 call. So you have to ask yourself, how could it be that all of these people were dead and injured with that kind of Swift Response time . Its a killing the machine. Its the lethality of this weapon in the round that he was using out of that weapon. Michael, i want to go back to what you touched on, then. This man was hospitalized for Mental Health issues over the summer. His own family had expressed concerns about his mental state. Yet until he fired that weapon to nights ago, he didnt do anything illegal. We dont think. He was able to own an Assault Style rifle, free and clear. Thats what we think. He was treated in another state. Theres been some speculation as to why maines socalled yellow flag law, which is little different but red flag law and not quite as severe, didnt kick in. I think that what we really need to find out is, what contacted maine police have with him, if at all. And i think is going to the robe a debate in the Maine Legislature which is controlled by democrats about not only can control but also about how that law could maybe be strengthened and so Something Like this doesnt happen again. It probably would require stronger record shea sharing between the state the federal government. But there is going to be a lot to unfold here in maine. We have these debates here a lot in maine. Theres bipartisan opposition to adopting gun control issues all the time of uncovering gun politics. It has always been a tough conversation here. Like i said, maine is different in a lot of places in america, but the shooting showed us we are certainly not immune to the national played played of gun violence. Frank, one of the biggest Unanswered Questions to you right now . I desperately want to know what fell through the cracks here. You will be back on the job tonight . I feel like you do . I want answers. And i want to fix what went wrong here. Because clearly something went wrong. When you have Family Members contacting the police and saying hes talking, hearing voices that are telling him to kill people. And just think about that. Think about what it takes a Family Member to call the police on their own brother, son, cousin, and say this person is a risk . It takes a lot. You need to Pay Attention to that, and so the military actually is put him in a facility where he was at this west point doing some work in the state of new york. And so weve got to fix it. This socalled yellow flag law in maine, where it requires a Mental Health professional to sign off before the police can temporarily taken weapon. Im not a fan of. That why . Because it puts someone else between a threat and action. They are inserting a Mental Health professional into this win in other states, with red flag laws, the police or the Family Members can petition the court to take those weapons quickly. We need to fix this. George, how important is it tomorrow for the community to get to mourn together . Right, just thinking the last 48 hours, all of these people sheltered in place, isolated from one another when they need to be together. People need a hug. Yeah, it reminds me of another conversation i had with a resident here, kaitlan who was carrying a gun of her own. She was carrying out there in her waistband, it was the first thing we noticed when we spoke to her. And i asked her what is the decision that prompted this . Is this something you normally do . And she said, no, i normally would never get my gun on me, but im scared. I am scared for the life of my child. So i am here just outside of my apartment, should robert card show up, i want to make sure that i can protect my loved one. That is sort of the vibe that was out here during this intense man hunt. This community has wanted to grieve, they have wanted to put vigils together. They have wanted to mourn collectively. Everyone here, as weve been saying, is one degree of separation from knowing someone or having someone that they lost at the Bowling Alley, at the bar. It is going to be very interesting to see tomorrow morning as this community wakes up some of this news just hitting some peoples phones in the Public Safety alerts have gone out, social media, how they will respond. We expect, of course, some of the vigils to take place, some of those memorials to start taking place, Family Members of loved ones who live out of state to start coming into town to begin that grieving process, stephanie. Again, all 18 of those victims now identified today by officials as well. The youngest was 14 years old. So, obviously, a lot of grieving, a lot of understanding, this Community Will it is going to take time. A 14yearold and his dad just went out on a wednesday night to go bowling together. I almost dont want to ask you, frank, but is it safe to assume gun sales are up in maine tonight . Local reporters are saying that Gun Shop Owners in maine are saying that record sales are occurring. People are coming in, buying all the guns of, theyre flying off the shelves. This is the i get it, i get it. If i lived in rural maine, and a spree killer was on the loose and i was sheltering in place at home, i get it. Indeed, so we have to ask ourselves then, if we dont fix this problem, are we all going to walk around strapped . Are we all going to have Assault Style rifles at the bully nelly and as a local bar . Is that how we want to live . Michael, what are you healing from people in the community tonight . Weve heard a lot of those stories when our reporters are out on the scenes, theyre running into people who are armed themselves. Its the start of a Hunting Season. In this area. And officials were making calls today about how they were going to handle. That where theyre gonna cancel it statewide . Where theyre going to do this in four towns . These are Big Decisions in maine if Hunting Season were allowed to go forward tomorrow, it wouldve been utter confusion in a lot of these places. Wardens, the game wardens here wouldve had to really scramble at times to maybe figure out what was going on. So this these are these wouldnt be problems in other parts of the country, but these are the unique things about maine that we have to consider when youre discussing this incident. And look, but i think we just lost his shot. Frank, what happens next an investigation . This is now time to dig into who knew what when. And were all focused on motivation, but i caution people, when you are dealing with a serious Mental Illness, dont expect to get a logical answer. We cant apply logic to lunacy. What made perfect sense to the sky will not make any sense to us. Some garage that hes held he was suffering too. Absolutely, and the family, his family is suffering as well. The answers and im looking for, of course, when the police heard from the family, what did they do . When the u. S. Military found that they had someone with a Mental Illness and caused him, commanded him to involuntarily go for treatment, what did they do with that information . Where did it go . Weve looked at this before. It was several years ago, a shooting at a Baptist Church in texas that you might recall. That was in air force guy who had been in the brig in the air force for crimes that should have caused, require the air force to put him in the Background System so he couldnt buy a weapon. They didnt do it. They wrote a Big Fat Check to all the victims families. So we need those families dont want to a. Check, they want their Family Members. But isnt it complicated, because medical records or or private . But Mental Health professionals have a duty. If they think someone is about to violently act, out they need to do it. And if a family approached the police, as youve said, the police have an obligation to do something. So what is it that didnt cause that to happen . Thats what we need to know. Perhaps lawmakers have an obligation to do something, to protect people in robert cards situation, and of course, to protect the general public. Absolutely. 18 of whom unnecessarily lost their lives this week. George solis, frank figliuzzi, michael shepard, thank you all for being here tonight. When we come back, the latest on israel ramping up strikes and gaza as the idf says they expanding Ground Operations tonight. The 11th hour just getting underway, and a very important friday. Friday i have moderate to severe crohns disease. Now, theres skyrizi. Things are looking up, ive got Symptom Relief. Control of my crohns means everything to me. Control is everything to me. 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