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MSNBCW The July 4, 2024

Tonight, Donald Trumps motion to dismiss denied. What happens now in the classified documents case just eight months from the election . Then, the Top Senate Democrat calling out israels Prime Minister. He says Benjamin Netanyahu is an obstacle to peace. And no president and no Vice President have ever visited an Abortion Clinic until today. Vp harris History Making Tour as The 11th Hour gets underway on this thursday night. Greetings everyone. Im in for Stephanie Ruhle tonight. We are now 236 days away from the election. And today, donald trump nailed in one of his attempts to have his classified documents case dismissed. The Presumptive Republican nominee spent his day in a florida courtroom to watch his attorneys argue two motion to have the case tossed out. But judge Aileen Cannon seemed skeptical and denied one of the requests. Here is Laura Jarrett with more. Reporter a judge denying former President Trumps request to toss out criminal charges alleging he hoarded classified documents at mara lago. The presumptive gop nominee seen arriving this morning greeting supporters gathered outside the florida courthouse. His attorneys arguing the law on National Security secrets is too vague. And mr. Trump believed he was allowed today keep the documents as his personal records according to the president ial records act. Saying last night. I took them very legally. I wasnt hiding them. Reporter judge Aileen Cannon, a trump appointee said a dismissal over vagueness would be premature. And told mr. Trumps team it is difficult to see how this gets you to the dismissal of an indictment. No decision on a trial date. Mr. Trumps team urging her to push it until after the november election. And there are developments in trumps other trials. We are still waiting on a decision whether the Fulton County da fani willis will be removed from the case for having a romantic relationship with one of the prosecutors. If you need more proof the wheels of justice grind slowly, the new york Hush Money Case will likely start a month late. Federal prosecutors just recently turned over documents related to the case. Just about a year after they were asked to. Manhattan da alvin bragg sawed he would go with a 30day extension. The final decision is on timing is up to the judge. Eugene scott senior politics reporter for axios, peter baker, with the new york times. Former u. S. Attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. Joyce, all right. Lay it out for us. Where does the classified Documents Case Stand after today . This was an ugly win for the government. It was a win the judge did not buy trumps motion to dismiss, but she virtually invited trump to raise this motion again during trial when more of the evidence is available. And of course, the downside to that is decisions the judge makes after the jury has been empanelled and the case has started cant be reviewed. That is because of double jeopardy. It says that once the government has got a jury in the box and the case is underway, if the government loses, thats final. So at that point in time, the judge could look at this motion again. Could decide that the evidence merits that she grants it. And the case would be over. And that is probably the worst possible outcome of these motions for the government beyond an outright dismissal now which they could have of course appealed at this point in time. There were a number of things that happened in court today. One of them was judge cannon seemed to nudge the conversation to a point where Trump Lawyers could compare the biden document case with the trump case. What did you think of that . Right, so look, this is not an appropriate thing for a judge to do and it certainly cant form the basis for any of who are rulings. She is supposed to consider the merits of the case in front of her. Sometimes judges can look at other cases and decide what the results and those cases dictate in a case they are considering. But in this situation, a decision was made that they should not be prosecuted and those decisions about who to prosecute are uniquely within the area of responsibility of prosecutors and the justice departments. Judges dont get to decide who gets indicted and who doesnt get indicted. They are supposed to rule on the cases in front of them on the merits of those cases if she strays in any way from that. That could form the basis for governments appeal. Eugene, it is a full time job to keep up with all of these cases. There are legal reporters dedicated to the trump trial beat. The hearings, the trials, as donald trump tries to have them delayed or thrown out altogether with eight montreal canadienss to go until the election, how do you see this classified documents case specifically shaking up . It is getting frustrating for voters. I was speaking with swing voters last night. And it is reminding them of who donald trump was. And this is not what he wants. If he is going to try to win people outside of his base. Which is what he needs to do. Part of the strategy is to turn out the base. But, the numbers dont support that. And these are reminding people who voted for trump before what could happen if they send him back to washington. Peter, i mean, swing voters not looking the axios focus groups not liking what they are hearing about these cases. Now, the right does want to keep as much attention on the Biden Administrations case as possible. The Biden Campaign and the white house. I dont think they talk very much about Donald Trumps legal woes. Do you expect that asymmetry to change at all . No. I think the biden people want to stay away from talking directly about trumps legal case. They dont want to feed into the Conspiracy Theory trump promotes with his base. That this is somehow a biden orchestrated witch hunt. There is no evidence of that of course. And they dont want to give any evidence by looking like he has something to do with this so he wont talk about it but you are right to say that the republicans are trying to conflate the biden documents issue with the trump issue. You heard that with robert hur, the special counsel who investigated the president and decided there was no crime. But you will hear this again and again. Whether inside the crammened outside the courtroom. Why are they not prosecuting the president . We know the actions the two different president s took were different. And thats a problem for prosecute res and really a problem in terms of the political conversation. Well eugene, you had biden on the trail today in michigan. Donald trump in a courtroom. In florida. There are other court cases. How is the Campaign Planning to handle the demands of this legal schedule when ever that manhattan case gets going, donald trump will have to be in court for every day of that trial. He will. Well, they have said that they are going to rely heavily on surrogates to go out to talk to people when trump cannot. His relationship with Conservative Media will serve him well. There will be a few interviews he will use to try to make the case he has been targeted. Despite there not being evidence of that. But he is also going to try to have rallies when he can. Because he loves the rallies and they energize him and allow him to get his message directly to people. To the people he wants to come out and support him. What will be really interesting, though, is whether or not he has the stamina for all of this. There has been a lot of attention paid on whether or not joe biden can keep up with his schedule. Trump has a campaign and Court Schedule and has age issues as well. So this will give him an opportunity to prove whether or not he can be what they need him to be four more years. What he needs people to believe he can be four more years and it might hut him to the test in a negative way that backfire. Campaigning from the courtroom. I have to get, when i heard that you were coming tonight, i wandered who did joyce think when she heard new yorks u. S. Attorneys are the reason, the people to thank for the delay. We were all looking to start on march 25th. So look, i have more questions about this than answers and i think it is important that we not get too far ahead of ourselves. What we know is that donald trump filed a motion to dismiss or at least delay this prosecution, claiming there have been Discovery Violations and the manhattan da fired back and said we fulfilled our Discovery Violations. The problem is that donald trump wanted some documents from the Southern District of new york. Federal prosecutors in manhattan are not in any way a part of this case. But trump issued a subpoena to them and they delayed in turning over these documents. The Trump Lawyers apparently agreed to multiple delays but now they are saying that they want a continuance in the trial. The manhattan da has done the right thing. There are documents that need to be reviewed fairly by the defense. Will agree to a 30 days delay. There are Tens Of Thousands of pages of documents. That he says under 200 pages are relevant to this case and they are mostly witness testimony. That probably means information about folks like Michael Cohen or former trump cfo. If 30 days can cure the problem, the judge will reset the case for trial and be back off to the races. There are Unanswered Questions here. We are waiting for the judge in the georgia case, particularly in terms of fani willis and the hearing we saw on National Television to see where he coming up with that ruling. Today the house judiciary committee, they actually threatened to hold da fani willis in contempt and said they were doing so because she didnt comply with their subpoena. Donald trumps allies on the hill, they seem to be trying to find anyway they can to help donald trump. How much of this kind of thing do you think will ramp up as we continue to get closer to november . Congress has a limited role in overseeing state prosecution. It is not their job to monitor what willis does. But she doesnt answer to the federal government in a general sense. Trump is trying to throw sand in the gears every which way you can do it. Have a motion to dismiss. Because the Espionage Act is too vague. A motion to delay because you need these papers in new york. Have a motion to disqualify. Because she had a conflict of interest. All these things have managed to successfully derail to some extent, the first of three of these cases, the fourth is having a little bit of a hiccup. Doesnt mean any of these cases will go away. That is his goal here. To delay, delay, delay. See if he cant push things things. The voters look what they are going. Sounds like trumps strategy. I have 30 seconds. You have been reporting on tiktok. There is a bill that passed the house that could ban tiktok unless they sell it. Though owners of tiktok sell. Where does it stand . Senators are taking their time with it. It wont pass as quickly as it has in the house. There are democrats and republicans i think mark warner from virginia. Marco rubio from florida. There are real issues and concerns. But they are trying to figure out how they can address those without hurting so Many Americans who rely on tiktok by business and their way of life and for fun. My search is about thing that have nothing to do with the news. Thank you all. Peter, you will stick around because you love us. When we come back, sharp words from the Top Senate Democrat. Why he says it is time for israels Prime Minister to go. And later, steph sits down with Lawrence Fishburn to discuss his new play two decades in the making. The 11th hour just getting underway on a thursday night. Underway on a thursday night. Why wont scout play with us anymore . He has something called osteoarthritis pain. Its joint pain that hurts him all the time. Come on, scout. Now, theres librela. The first and only oncemonthly injection to control your dogs oa pain. 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Reporter schumer, the highest ranking jewish elected official in American History laying blame for the war at the feet of hamas. But saying that netanyahu is an obstacle to peace. He has been too willing to tolerate the civilian toll in gaza pushing support for israel to historic lows. Israel cannot survive if it becomes a pariah. Reporter Republican Leaders slamming the criticism of netanyahu who is also known as as bb. They dont have an antihbb problem, an antiisrael problem. It is just plain wrong for an american leader to play such a divisive role while our closest ally in the region is an existential battle for its survival. Reporter netanyahu has not responded to schumers comments. The white house said the Majority Leader gave them a heads up about his speech, but President Biden has broken with netanyahu in recent weeks. He has a right to defend israel. A right to continue to pursue hamas, but he must pay more attention to the innocent lives lost. He is hurting in my view, he is hurting israel more than helping israel. It is important to note that israel does not have an election scheduled until 2026. I want to welcome politico defense reporter laura. And peter baker is still with us. I asked laura how do i say her name and i butcher it. You know, peter, just take a step back. And frame up for us how significant is this move from Chuck Schumer . It is incredibly significant. Gnatter schumer is giving voice to a lot of frustration you are hearing on the democratic side of the aisle. He is the highest ranking jewish official, but a close ally of the president. A lot of people wonder if he is cut out for the white house. Somebody giving voice to the feelings you might hear inside the west wing though they wont say it themselves out loud. Certainly that will be the question. What does this mean in terms of where biden is and does it signal that at some point they will use the support in the white house they have been enjoying so far from the president . He has in fact resisted democratic pressure to put conditions on the arms sent to israel. He has resisted International Condemnation of the United Nations Security Council and so forth, he has been a good ally to israel in that sense as he has begun speaking out more aggressively about the course of the war as he sees it. What you are looking for if you are in israel now is what do schumers comments mean in terms of where it takes the administration at this point . Laura . Nbc news has reported that schumer has heard from families of hostages upset that Prime Minister netanyahu has not made the release of their loved ones more of a priority. Where exactly do we stand on the Hostage Negotiation and how are schumers comments playing in the israeli media today . Well i think that schumers comments are the sharpest critique we have seen so far of the Israeli Government from a u. S. Official and it shows how far the u. S. Governments views on israel have shifted just in the last few weeks. It does reflect the white house frustration as well with netanyahus government. Clearly democrats are running out of patience with the situation. The last couple of weeks you have seen many lines crossed. You have seen israel threatened to go into rafah. The Southern City where more than a Million People are sheltering now. You have seen israel reject u. S. Pleas to open the borders, the land borders to allow more aid in. You have seen them reject pleas to think about a twostate solution. So i think it really opens the flood gates for additional criticism of israel. You asked about the hostages as well. Israel had threatened to do this invasion of rafah if the hostages were not released by ramadan, that was march 10th. That has come and gone. Th

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