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MSNBCW Alex July 4, 2024

You are looking at the 100 block of Miller Street, that is in trenton, new jersey. That home, dead center there, is a home that police, s. W. A. T. , and other officials are trying to keep a very close eye there, on a suspect that has been holed up inside, by the name of andre gordon. A 26yearold man, whom we heard in neighboring Falls Township in bucks county, pennsylvania, a 20, 25 minute drive away, alleged to kill three people earlier today, 9 00 eastern. Those being his 52yearold stepmother, 13yearold sister, and the first of two deadly locations. He killed his 25yearold, the mother of his two children. This is according to the chief of police in bucks county, pennsylvania. He then went on to carjack a good gray honda. The driver of the car was not injured, certainly scared, but was able to provide the information about the car. There, you see the car was caught on camera in his travels between fall township and getting to that home where he has some sort of an association in trenton, new jersey. I am being told the name of the street is Philip Street. We had been given erroneous information earlier, Miller Street. But, now it is Philip Street in trenton, new jersey. We have a couple people we can get to for information on this and what may be happening in terms of negotiations. Not only have nbcs george salinas, who has been helping us through, but we also have rob damico, a former fbi hostage negotiator, and also Jim Kavanaugh, a former atf hostage negotiator. It looks like Hostage Negotiating might be precisely what is going on right now. We have yet to hear any differently at this point. George solis, i know you have been standing on a roof down the block with a Birds Eye View of everything. Tell us what has happened in the past few minutes since we have spoken . Reporter we are on the ground getting a better sense of a better view of the Police Presence i have been talking about here over the last hour. Pretty much status quo at this point, it is a tense sentient as i mentioned earlier when you have all of these police jurisdictions, s. W. A. T. Team has assembled right outside the home, going into the home. At this point, we dont know if any other hostages have been released. We dont know about the whereabouts of this shooter, where exactly in the home this individual might be. What you do see, though, as i mentioned before, the number of people here on the street conversing, monitoring the situation, seeing as the Police Activity is unfolding. We havent seen police with long guns, but they are wearing Bulletproof Vests and making sure people dont go beyond the police perimeter, and Guiding Traffic as there is a fairly large perimeter. They are not letting people into that area, sometimes you will see authorities letting people into nearby homes just to let them get to where they need to go but in this case they are not letting anyone through, but telling people to seek shelter. As we saw in fall township, the earlier call where this shooting was taking place but now we are just waiting to see what happens. That is one thing i want to note, though. I dont know if we will see it from my vantage point, but they did launch a drone above the home, it has been hovering now for the better part of 30 minutes or so. What the drone may be doing, what it is looking for, we are still trying to get more information there. We havent heard any audible flash bangs, or explosions, or anything that indicates there has been forced entry into this home at this point. We saw s. W. A. T. Officers on the roof of the home, but obviously this is a very fluid situation and we are keeping a close watch here on the situation and of course listening to police and any instructions they may be providing us. You make a very staged observation, and i will further that point you made about no audio, no gunshot, no flash bang, anything like that. George, thank you so much. Let us know if anything happens. We will get right back to you. I am joined now by former fbi supervisor at Hostage Rescue Team negotiator, rob damico. And then, we have former atf hostage team and rescue negotiator, Jim Kavanaugh. So, jim, you are new to the conversation since we started this coverage about an hour and a half ago. Tell me that point i was just making with george, the fact that it has been relatively silent, we are not hearing any gunshots, we are not hearing any flash bangs, and yet we have seen not only hostages getting out of that house thanks to s. W. A. T. And police bringing them down safely from the roof on a ladder, but we have also watched s. W. A. T. Team members and police climb into that home. What does that tell you . Because you think a flash bang, Something Like that, would agitate someone like the suspect, who is believed to be holed up inside. Right. What the On Scene Commander has to do, alex, is what you are seeing here. This is textbook, really. They are locating them, then they isolate, then they evacuate. When we see people leaving, we dont really know if they are hostages being released or just neighbors being evacuated. I would say this looks a lot Like Neighbors being evacuated from nearby buildings. They obviously have him may be in the same building, but they are evacuating people that are nearby because the weapon he has can shoot through the walls. Right, but jim and good point, we are not sure whether that is a singlefamily dwelling, or a duplex type thing, a sidebyside dwelling. That is something we have talked about. But, here is a question. If those residents were being taken out of the left side screen, the left side half of the house, if you will, of the duplex, they were being asked to walk in front of the right side. If that is presumably where andre gordon is, you would think with that kind of weapon, they would keep them away from any windows. That would be the normal practice. I would say he probably doesnt have access to the right side. They have him located in there, and he might be isolated to a rear room where he cant observe people moving, or the back left, we dont know, it could be the attic. But, Tactical Operators as you were discussing with rob and i listened to most of that conversation after you and i talked earlier in the day, we talked about if there is hostages, or if it is just a barricaded subject. When hostages are there, everything is different for the On Scene Commanders Decision Making process. He has to have an emergency untold team at the breach point. Obviously, they are, because they are inside the residence. So, the Tactical Operators are going to be just opposite the door or wall where the subject is. Now, he might not he has four walls, he has a ceiling, he has a roof. There is somewhere around him, the 360 degrees, that they can make an Emergency Assault if they have to rescue someone. They move stealthily, they are not going to give up their presence. But, they have been in place, alex, where they know, normal practices, if they are letting people egress, they are regressing safely. Because someone is egress in the residence, doesnt mean they are a hostage. They could be a neighbor, a person who lives there, but wasnt held hostage, could have been hiding in another room. So, we dont really know who he is holding, if he is holding anybody, we dont have an exact number of that. We do know that he has killed Family Members, and this is really, really important, because some people will tell the police, oh, he wouldnt kill that person, that is his fathers mothers daughters sister. No, People Killed their Family Members all the time, every day. Scary. This guy is a spree killer who has killed three people today today just in the last three hours, he has killed three people. So, he is very, very, very dangerous. Negotiators now are trying i heard rob discuss it, they are spot on, they were trying to talk to him. They are using his name. You know, talk to us, listen to us. Whats going on . Right. Whats going on . Lets see what you need. So they are trying to grades engage and it is critical that they do. Let me pick up on the fact that he is very, very dangerous. We have some sound from the News Conference that happened over an hour ago now, and this is from the bucks County District attorney that will validate Everything Jim is saying, and the danger of this man, 26yearold andre gordon. Lets play that now. Forcibly broke into the residence after which he shot and killed his 52yearold stepmother, karen gordon, and his 13yearold sister, karen gordon, who lived at the residence. There were three other individuals at the residence, including a minor, inside the home, who were able to hide and avoid being shot by gordon. At approximately 9 01 a. M. , gordon drove to the unit block of edgewood lane, levittown, where he forcibly broke into a residence after which he shot and killed 25yearold taylor daniel, with whom he has two children. So, now we are going to show you sort of a big picture look at the map, a timeline, as well. But, where these incidents took place, and it is all within about a 30 minute drive from start to finish, in terms of distance. Although, of course, it did take longer than that to have all of this transpired. So, jimmy, when you think about where he is now, and the place from which she came this morning, and killing those people, the danger of someone like this that has an Assault Style weapon in his hands, it has to make Hostage Negotiating and also securing the perimeter there a really sensitive, sensitive situation . No, it is, of course. But, all s. W. A. T. Teams, tactical teams, srt teams trained for this all the time. This is what they understand, how to operate in this environment. What they have done here is textbook. They have moved in, they have isolated him, they have closed the perimeter down to the breach point. Im sure they have an Emergency Assault team ready to go. They are trying to negotiate with him. They are trying to get him on the phone. The drones, alex, as you pointed out earlier what are the drones doing . You asked a question, which is a smart question to ask. What are the Tactical Operators doing . Besides what they are doing inside, they are trying to look into the windows with drones, with scopes on rifles. You are trying to see who was in there. You know, rob talked about somebody feigning their death, but they are also trying to see, is there another Person Inside . Or, are they alone . Are they moving around . I would say that he is very manic. If you havent killed himself already, he is very manic because of the spree of kills earlier, so he is in a very high charged state, fastmoving brain activity. This guy is looking around, quick guide head movements in a panic. He doesnt know what is going on out there. He knows the police are out there, but he doesnt know what to do next. I mean, he doesnt really know. Should i look out the window . Should i crawl over here on my belly . Should i talk to them . What should i do . So, as time passes now and there is no violence in suing if someone is not in their bleeding to death, that is what the tactical commander wants to know. Is someone in their bleeding to death . Because then, time becomes against you, when you have to move. Think of the uvalde case. What we used to tell all of our operators and negotiators, we always told them, for the commander, time is neutral. Sometimes, it is on your side. Sometimes, it is against you. The critical decision for the commander is to be able to know what it is right now. That is why they need that intelligence. Is someone in there, and are they wounded . Because if they are, they could bleed out and you might have to make an Emergency Assault. Now, if there is no one else in there, then time becomes more to you because he is just barricaded by himself. Or, you know, we dont know the situation. We have heard there is a hostage, but we dont really have any details yet. That is what they are trying to do. They are trying to listen with their microphones. Rob described all of those tools that Law Enforcement had, baseballs, mics on the walls, and they are listening. They are mixed listening in those walls and trying to determine, is someone in there with him . They have to find that information out. Yeah, 100 . I want to bring rob back in the conversation, as well. Because rob, you have made that point jim was highlighting about he could theoretically fake his death, he could be very quiet right now, and have trapped himself. But, how complicated is a process like that . If he hadnt been to this house, and he had only showed up in the wake of killing these three people as was stated by the District Attorney there in bucks county a difficult is that to even do . I mean, how likely is that to even play into this scenario . We have seen it more in some of the School Shootings and other Mass Shootings where they know police are going to go back, and actually Booby Trapped the house because they know police are going to be there. I think the chances of this one are probably less, but again, if you have a body that you believe is deceased, there are very safe ways to move the body to figure that out, and we did that from overseas. So, just incorporate it now. Everything about safety, if there are no hostages. So, you just start doing it the right way. You get the robots in, you confirm if you think he is deceased, then you can get the body, and roll it back depending on the situation, or you have a robot that can move it. So, it goes back to, there is no one in there, you just keep doing it the safest way possible, at that point. And again, it depends on when they are interviewing the people in the house, was he in there before . Was that his room for something . That lessens the chances of and now, you are just looking to make sure, because the faking the death, we have seen a couple of times, and it shocks some folks because we had a lot of people at the command post wanting to do things, and then it was just the safety of like, hey, they actually got a drone right over him and they can see the chest moving. And then, they did some other things to confirm that he was actually still alive. Gotcha. Okay, guys, we are going to take another short break here. Nbcs george solis is on the scene, he has spoken with officials from trenton, new jersey as we get a live look from Philip Street, watching everything unfold here after three people were killed in neighboring fall township in bucks county. Well be right back. Stay with us. With us. Downy r it helps remove odors 3x better than detergent alone. It worked guys Yeahhhh Downy rinse and refresh. With nurtec odt, i can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks, all in one. Dont take if allergic to nurtec. Allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. Most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. Ask about nurtec odt. Approaching 17 past the hour giving you a look at the 100 block of Phillips Avenue in trenton, new jersey, where we believe 26yearold andre gordon, after killing three Family Members in neighboring fall township in bucks county, pennsylvania, that he is Hold Up Inside there. Lets go to nbcs trent eight, he has been on the scene for the better part of an hour. I understand you have just spoken with someone from the Trenton Police department. So, tell us what you are told . I just got off the phone with detective rios, who tells me at this hour, they do not believe there are more people inside at home where the suspect has been hold up. That is to say there are no more hostages, no reason, no indication to believe he may be dead, so the assumption is that he is still alive. Another question has come up whether this is a singlefamily home or a duplex, authories are not sure at this point, based on what they just told me over the phone, but they do understand that a lot of these neighborhoods, our duplexes. So, at this point, the believe that there are no more people inside this home, they believed they were taken out and the suspect is still inside the home. The assumption is that he is still alive and what we have here is a lot of people sort of just watching and waiting as police make their move. We know s. W. A. T. Has been inside at home, whether they have an indication of where the suspect is at that time, still unclear. What i have also mentioned is that we have seen police sort of Guiding Traffic making sure no one goes in. We havent heard any audible flash bangs, gunshots, anything that indicates there has been a Forcible Entry into this home. What we have seen, s. W. A. T. Officers on the roof. Again, just in from Trenton Police officials, they believe that no one else is inside of this home and they believe the suspect is still alive somewhere inside of that dwelling, alex. George, was there speculation, if not confirmation on the people who were taken out of that dwelling . Again, they are not even sure whether this was a Single Family home or a sidebyside duplex which is common in the neighborhood. But, the people we have seen being taken out safely, do we know if they were a part of this . If they engaged, or we

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