Media mitchellreports. Chris jansing reports starts right now. Good day. Im Chris Jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. College campuses from coast to coast are on edge at this hour. New propalestinian protests active across roughly two dozen states, even after police cleared encampments overnight at places like Columbia University. Will an Ongoing Police presence enforce a calm there or could things get worse before they get better . Plus, a new abortion law going into effect in florida today, leaving few options for women seeking abortions across the southeast. The latest from there and arizona where democrats along with a handful of republicans are considering a repeal of the near total abortion ban dating back 160 years. And donald trump out of the courthouse and on the Campaign Trail in wisconsin just a few hours from now. Will he tempt fate and test his gag order even after the judge threatened him with the possibility of jail time. Well dig into that coming up. We start with the chaos and crackdowns on University Campuses nationwide as officials are increasingly calling on police to clear propalestinian encampments that have effectively paralyzed dozens of schools. More than 1,500 people have now been arrested, but its too early to say if that will convince protesters to back off or whether theyll keep at it. Ultimately impacting finals and Graduation Ceremonies. Earlier today, we saw police face to face with protesters on the university of wisconsins campus in madison, and it was the police who ultimately walked away. A far more chaotic scene unfolded at ucla overnight where Law Enforcement was called in to break up violent clashes between proisraeli and propalestinian demonstrators. And Police Arrested nearly 300 people in new york, 173 of them at city college where the nypd tore down a palestinian flag. Others came from Columbia University where the mayor says the occupation of one College Building was led by people from outside the university. It was about external actors hijacking a peaceful protest and influence to escalate. Theres nothing peaceful about barricaing buildings, destroying property or dismantling security cameras. We cannot allow what should be a lawful protest to turn into a violent spectacle that servs no purpose. Antonia hylton is outside Columbia University, nbcs guad venegas is. And on set with me, catherine christian, former assistant District Attorney in manhattan and an msnbc legal analyst. So antonia, whats the latest . Whats happening on campus at columbia . Reporter hey, chris, well, there is an ongoing protest right outside the gates, right in front of Hamilton Hall. There are students, Faculty Members, other people part of the Columbia Community expressing their anger at what they saw transpire here last night. Almost every student and Faculty Member that i speak to says it was extremely disturbing to see the nypd come back for the second time, arrest about 119 people here, and that include students who have been e associated with the Protest Movement and also people who are not who simply described feeling like this was an escalation that deeply affects them, just as being members of the community, having to see it get to this point. I have one of the columbia professors here with me right now, joseph slaughter. Thank you so much for making time to join us. So from the faculty perspective, what was it like to see all of this unfold last night . I was standing here last night almost behind you watching the assaulting of a vehicle pull up to Hamilton Hall. It was devastating. Faculty near me, students near me were crying, in despair over the fact that the administration has escalated to the point where theyre bringing in an assault team to shut down student protests. I can understand that the building occupation is a different matter than a completely peaceful nonviolent encampment that existed on the campus for the last ten days or so. But the fact that the building could be occupied is partly is due partly to the gross mismanagement of this administration. It has escalated consistently for the last seven months. These students have been attempting to get what they understand to be a Human Rights Message about justice for palestine out for seven months, and at every turn they have been met with repressive actions to shut down their ability to speak, to demonstrate, to try to make their voices heard in what they see as the greatest Human Rights Crisis of the moment, and if this administration in failing to listen to its students beginning in october and november, in failing to hear the voices of its faculty, experts in the field, experts in the area coming up with their kind of administrative decisions among a small cabinet of ministers at the top of the underneath the president , they have consistently escalated and kettled the speech of the students. They released a statement this morning saying they tried to have productive conversations with the students that went on for eight days. Essentially saying they did their best to avoid what happened here. They did not do their best over the previous six months. If they had had those productive conversations with the students when they were clearly making their statements in absolutely peaceful, vigil like manners in november and in october, we wouldnt be here today. If they had if they had bothered to sit down with the students my understanding is that this president refused to meet with the leaders of the two Student Groups that she unilaterally suspended in november, refused to meet to talk with them about their demands, about their concerns, refused to hear the vast majority of students who see this as an unfolding potentially genocide in gaza. Reporter there will now be an nypd presence until may 17th, past graduation. Theres clearly a hope to go back to Business As Usual here and to make sure people can have the Graduation Celebrations theyve always envisioned. Do you think thats whats b about to happen here . Can this campus go back to normal . I dont see how theres any going back to normal for a normal commencement, for a normal graduation. The protest behind us is actually primarily faculty who are demonstrating both at having been themselves locked out of campus in support of the students and in protest of militarizing the campus, in support of the students rights to speech and the missteps and gross mismanagement of the senior administration. Did the students take it too far by entering Hamilton Hall . Hamilton hall is to change the change the approach. In my opinion, they had they had won with their message with the encampment on campus. They had spawned a nationwide Even International movement. They had raised the issues that theyre concerned about to the level that you all are here, that the press is all over this campus. Their voices were being heard. In that sense, i think they had already achieved what they really needed to achieve, the entry into Hamilton Hall is not probably necessary, right . They clearly felt some kind of some kind of desperation. I dont know, i cant explain their actions. Thank you so much, professor slaughter. We really appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Even when i speak to proisraeli students and Community Members here at columbia, the one thing it seems everybody here can agree on is that the administration is at fault for this escalation, that at some point if you are one of the propalestinian students or Faculty Members that there could have been better negotiations or if you are one of the students who has felt intimidated or harassed or hurt by all thats unfolded here on campus, that she could have stepped in earlier to assure that those conversations calmed down, that they got to a level that could make them feel safe. Many of these students have left campus. They wont even be here for any of the celebrations, so everyone on all sides feels this immense disappointment right now and this feeling that just because Hamilton Hall is clear now, this story isnt over, chris. Thank you very much for that, antonia. So jim, look, the politics of this are extraordinarily complicated. The criticism of the administration, of the president of columbia, has been widespread. I do want you to talk about what we saw last night in the context of that police have been asked to stay on campus at least until may 17th. From a police perspective, first of all, was that an assault team, which is the way that the professor described it. He said it was not necessary. From your perspective, was it . I want to get your take on what we saw unfold there. Yes, chris, thank you. Look, the politics of this are very complicated. The politics of the middle east, palestine, and all the issues that encumber that. I have been to tel aviv and jerusalem after all the Suicide Bombings in the Second Indy Fa Da with the Israeli National police, and you know, i kind of feel for that situation over there, and that situation now is at columbia and other universities. So its an intractable problem that the police cannot solve and do not want to solve. The police are called in when University Leadership decides that the destruction of property and occupying of their building, you know, has to be stopped, and i disagree with calling these officers from the Strategic Response group and the Emergency Service unit, you know, militarized, Assault Teams and so forth. Its not true at all. Look, the officers that went in the window from the Emergency Services unit first and then the Strategic Response group, nobody had a rifle. You didnt see people carrying, you know, rifles even with tear gas or big, you know, Assault Rifles like we normally see a s. W. A. T. Team has to use. They only have their side arms and they have helmets. Thats to protect them from getting hit by rocks and bottles and getting hurt, face shields, protection for their chest. Police dont have to go in and be assaulted and killed. So they have to have this defensive gear, and you know, people are offended by defensive gear maybe. But thats not the fault of the police. Let me ask you, you said police cant solve, and they dont want to solve this, and i think thats that sales like a reasonable statement to a lot of people, but do you worry that doing this further inflames an already volatile situation, that it puts police in the position, frankly, of causing what were seeing right now, which is not just these demonstrations that are happening on columbia, but theyre popping up on other campuses against the idea of police going in and arresting these students . Well, i agree with that. I mean, a lot of people may be offended that Police Arrest protesters. Remember, the protesters are engaging in Civil Disobedience for the purpose of being disobedient and they know the consequences of that. Being arrested and given a ticket like they are in new york for trespass. When violence ensues police have to be there to protect the citizens and protect property from being damaged and destroyed. Its the tactics that are used that have to be looked at. I think the nypd used appropriate tactics. They had a strong show of force. We didnt see any kind of abuse or Police Brutality there. They did exactly what they were supposed to do. L. A. Quite a different violent situation last night where the l. A. P. D. And lasd had arrived where two different factions were fighting. Certainly thats a requirement for Police Action to show up then. So when theres violence and, you know, destructive property, you know, damage to property, threats to burn buildings, youre going to have to have police, and thats just the way a democracy works. I mean, people can say, well, we want to damage property. We want to fight, we want to hurt people, but we dont want any police. Well, thats just sort of ridiculous. Catherine, this now moves from police to im sure some friends in your old office at the manhattan d. A. s office and according to wnbc, which is our local station here in new york, they say that protesters who were arrested will be charged with third degree burglary, Criminal Mischief and trespassing, protesters participating in the encampment on the lawn as opposed to those inside the building will be charged with trespassing and disorderly conduct. Again, going back to whatever the criticism of the administration is and whether or not they handled it well leading up to this, does that play into the decisions that get made . Does the fact that theyre either a student or somebody from outside play into it . What will they be looking at to decide who gets charged with what . Well, its about proof, so its very easy for the ones who were found inside Hamilton Hall, they cant say, you know, they werent there because they would have been arrested because those are the ones who will probably be charged with the burglary because they entered and remained unlawfully in the building in the attempt to commit a crime. They apparently destroyed property, Video Surveillance and furniture. That would be the crime. In new york thats called Criminal Mischief. The people who were on the lawn, again, this is a private university. They called in nypd because there were people who were there without permission or authority or who stayed beyond when they were supposed to be there. So those would be the charges. It still has to be proven. Many of these protesters are disguising their identity by Wearing Masks or scarves or hoodies, so the ones that they found in the building are easy. So guad. Officials at the University Of Texas At Austin where you are have said this more than half of the people who theyve arrested are not affiliated with the university. Tell us more about whats happening where you are. Reporter chris, they released a statement saying that 45 of the individuals that were arrested on monday did not have an affiliation to the university, and that same release had some more information. They said that they confiscated weapons from these protesters and the weapons they say were confiscated included guns, chains, bricks and rocks. They also add more information saying that officers have been assaulted, head butted, and they say that their cars have had their tires slashed. I spoke with the university and asked for photos of the weapons that theyve confiscated or videos where we can see officers that they say were assaulted. They did send one video and photos of a bucket of rocks that they say was found in one of the adjacent buildings, but thats all the photos or videos that they were able to share. As of now, they say thats all they can share along with that release from yesterday. Meanwhile, today what we have is heavy Police Presence. Weve had protesters here for the last five or six days. Yesterday was a much more peaceful protest from what we saw on monday which is when things escalated and about 79 individuals were arrested, so they had planned for a big protest today, a lot of the groups in support of palestine had shared a flyer on social media, and then early this morning, they shared another flyer indicating that that protest would be postponed, but of course the heavy Police Presence this year, theyve shut down the main street that goes into the lawn where all of these protests have happened, chris. Across the country again, catherine, were looking at 1,500 people have been arrested. Would you anticipate that in most cases and i know youre a prosecutor in new york so you dont want to speak for texas or any of those other places, would you think most of them would get a fine, they may try to settle it, may even have the charges dropped. I think the ones who are students, they will be treated differently than the ones who had no business being there and they were agitators. Youre student, youre in college, youre protesting, youre not going to have a criminal record. Somebody whos destroying property, they will be treated differently. Thank you all very much. In 60 seconds, today the ripple effects of roe v. Wade being overturned are being felt coast to coast. Well explain the new abortion restrictions that went into effect just hours ago in the countrys Third Largest state. Thats next. Countrys Third Largest state. Thats next. ella fashion moves fast. Setting trends is our business. We need to scale with customer demand. In real time. jen so we partner with verizon. 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