Qunol. The brand i trust. On this new hour, how far will trump go to get some cash . His reported pitch for a quid pro quo with big oil companies. And trump has a nikki haley problem as the clock is ticking for him to name a running mate. And calling out republicans for giving more rights to appliances than women. Im aman moyelledy, lets do it. I made a pledge to your state, you have highest energy costs in the country. In the first year, they will be reduced by 50 . Because we are going to drill, baby drill. That was trump bragging about dismantling President Bidens green agenda if he wins a second term in november. Now his positions on Climate Policy are on sale to the highest bidder. A stunning new report by the Washington Post details a meeting at maralago last month between donald trump and about two dozen top Oil Executives. Dourg a dinner, one executive complained they spent 400 million lobbying the Biden Administration and had nothing to show for it. The president had still not changed his position on some pretty inconvenient environmental regulations. And thats when trump reportedly shocked some people in the room saying you all are wealthy enough that you should raise 1 billion to return me to the white house. Trump reportedly claimed 1 billion would be a deal because how much he would limit taxes and regulations. The expresident vowed to immediately end the Biden Administrations freeze on permits for new Liquefied Natural Gas exports, a top priority for executives according to three people present. Trump said you will get it on the first day an attendee recalled. He also said he would auction off more leases for oil drilling in the gulf of mexico, railed against wind power, and committed to reversing restrictions on drilling in the alaskan arctic. Nbc news has not independently verified the reporting but this is a donald trump that we are very familiar with, a deal maker, a showman and a Climate Change denier who claimed it is a hoax concocted by china. He is a president ial candidate desperate for cash due to a mountain of heel fees and he is spending precious time that he could use to fundraise inside a manhattan courthouse. But there is something more sinister at play here. This is a potential two term president reportedly putting global survivability on the line to enrich himself. Beyond the deep and potentially irreversible for our climate, his comments are disturbing O Bliteration of norms surrounding lobbying. If trump said he believes regulations are bad and Renewable Energy is over hyped and he hoped those who agreed would donate to the campaign, that he would be in the normal promters of courting donors. But the Washington Post suggests he flipped around the ask, proposing instead that a specific amount of money could ensure he would take specific action. It is a glaring undeniable flaunting of trumps corruption and no need to split hairs here. Take this as a reminder and warning, Donald Trumps claims that he is a political outsider are nothing more than a sham. He said he is different, that he is not like the establishment politicians he has slammed over the yours. Hes right. He is way more brazen than any other politician we have seen in this country. If trump is willing to take on an approach that we have seen from dictators overseas, bringing wealthy people into his orbit and asking them directly for what they want, what is to stop him from using the playbook with foreign powers like saudi arabia or russia . Under second donald trump presidency, is america for sale . Joining me now to discuss this are kim lane sheply, professor of sociology at Princeton University and Michelle Goldberg, analyst and columnist at the new york times. Great to have you with us. Professor, i will start with you. There are many layers of concerns to address here. What strikes you about the implications of trump reportedly telling Oil Executives to pay up and get him to the white house in exchange for oil friendly policies . This is not normal lobbying. No, its absolutely not normal lobbying. He has put a price tag on the planet. Give him A Billion Dollars and he will cancel all of the renewables, all of the activities that President Biden has done to try to bring the u. S. Into line with Climate Change targets. So no, this is quite extraordinary and it is not uncommon as your column said for a president to say, here are the values i stand for, if you believe in them, support me. But this sounded a little more thuggish. This was, if you dont raise A Billion Dollars for me, maybe i wont dothat but if you do, i will happily sell the policies. That is out of line. Michelle, do you think or to what extent do you think the 1 billion ask of Oil Executives is linked to his financial woes, that this is a man in desperate financial need of money . The Campaign Says it raised 76 million in april. He is facing significant cash deficits in the president ial race and through the end of march. President biden has more than twice as much money as trump he has mounting legal bills, he cant compete financially. This is a gueye who needs money, right . Right. I dont know that this the difficult thing in parsing this latest outrage is that it is both as you said shocking but completely unsurprising, completely unpredictable and completely in line with the way we know donald trump has done business since he glided down that nightmarish elevator and into our lives. So we know already from his last term in office that he ran the white house like a business for personal gain, had a hotel where people could go and make donations to his personal welt while they wanted all sorts of favors both foreign and domestic. There is no question that now he needs the money even more because he has all of the judgments against him. He has the dissolution of the company. So he is running not just to stay out of prison, although that would be top of mind, but to rebuild his floundering empire. There is no doubt he will auction off american policy in the service of dog that. Professor, do you think trump is using the possibility of a second term as president to not only sell policy but to enrich himself . Or is this about lining his own pockets and paying for legal fees to avoid jailtime . He has potentially four criminal cases he has to deal with. He is obviously in hawk in legal fees. He has used a couple of pacs already to pay for the lawyers. They are running down in funds and he needs a replennishment. But what im worried about here is something else. Trump basically announced for A Billion Dollars, the oil and gas executives can get this deal. He said it in a room full of people where it was certainly going to leak. This sends a signal to anyone else who wants to buy policy that if they approach him one on one where there are not likely to find leaks, we will find policies of all sorts on sale. Trump is a salesman and he has announced to the world that policy is for sale. And to that point, it is an interesting observation by the professor and it begs for question, what do the rest of us do as we watch trump signal tothe rest of the world that he is for sale . If it is not for oil, maybe for arms or something else. The new republic reports that senators like Sheldon White house say that it is highly likely that dale investigate the meeting with Oil Executives but how should lawmakers respond to the revelation and what kind of action should they take if any . Part of the difficulty here is that we are not going to get Campaign Finance reform in the next six months. So there is a lot of steps that congress should have taken to ensure that a particularly corrupt demagogue couldnt sell off america for parts. But they didnt do it. Now hoar we are. You know, also the republican judges have a big role to play in that. So look, i think that the only thing that if america doesnt want to basically put itself up for sale, then they have six months to try to win this election. Because everything is at stake, right . Democracy, the planet, and part of the difficulty i think is that the stakes are so huge but people are so beaten down. They are so bludgeoned. They are so numb that it is really difficult to keep reminding ourselves of the heldaceous situation that we are all sort of Sleep Walking towards. Professor, trump has been a Climate Change denier for many, many years. The courting of the oil industry isnt a surprise. What are the stakes of the brand of corruption around u. S. Climate policy inany . So many stakes. First of all, the world is running out of time to do something serious about Climate Change. One thing i might say is that many of our Peer Democracies are going much farther than the u. S. Is and the courts are going farther than the u. S. Courts have gone. Our courts are now packed with republican judges and particularly with the trump judges, during the process of dismantling environmental regulations, even if trump doesnt do it. So im afraid while the election is crucial to keeping america not for sale, we already have in place a court that has been dismantling regulations. Our peer countries are stepping up to the plate and the courts are making them step up to the plate. And here we are seeing the decrease in checks and balances, capping of courts and a president who announces the price tag for policies that shob in the Public Interest and not in the private interest. One more thing that is at stake this election, not just our democracy but also our climate. Professor, thank you. Michelle, stick around and we will talk more. We will dig into Donald Trumps nikki haley problem, will her supporters ever support him . Will he supporters ever support him . For people who feel limited by the unpredictability of generalized Myasthenia Gravis and who are antiachr antibody positive, season to season, ultomiris is continuous symptom control, with improvement in activities of daily living. It is reduced muscle weakness. And ultomiris is the only longacting Gmg Treatment with the freedom of just 6 to 7 infusions per year, for a predictable routine i can count on. Ultomiris can lower your Immune Systems ability to fight infections, increasing your chance of serious meningococcal infections, which may become lifethreatening or fatal, and other types of infections. Complete or update your meningococcal vaccines at least 2 weeks before starting ultomiris. If ultomiris is urgent, you should also receive antibiotics with your vaccines. Before starting ultomiris, tell your doctor about all of your medical conditions and medications. Ultomiris can cause reactions such as back pain, tiredness, dizziness, limb discomfort, or bad taste. Ultomiris is moving forward with continuous symptom control. Ask your neurologist about starting ultomiris. We really dont want people to think of feeding food like ours is spoiling their dogs. Good, real food is simple. It looks like food, it smells like food, its what dogs are supposed to be eating. No living being should ever eat processed food for every single meal of their life. Its amazing to me how many people write in about their dogs changing for the better. The farmers dog is just our way to help people take care of them. Flooil donald trump may never admit it, it is obvious he still has a nikki haley problem two months after she dropped out of the race. Haleys ghost continues to haunt trump in some significant and ominous ways. Heres trump attempting to brush off the fact that haley won more than 20 of the vote in indianas primary. All of those people will come to me because what is their choice . Biden . He is the worst president in the history of our country. He is incompetent. They are all coming to me. Woe see it already, they are all coming to me. Yeah. Last week nbc news confirmed reportings she has been meeting with donors and has no current plans to endorse trump. Trump dismissed an axios report that said the campaign was actively considering haley as a running mate as a way to attract College Educated republicans. Joining me is a fellow from City College New York and Michelle Goldberg is back with us as well. Christina, how big of a thorn in trumps side is nikki haley . You heard him trying to down play winning more than 20 of the primary vote despite exiting the race in march. Yeah, she is definitely a thorn. If show wasnt, he wouldnt be speaking about her. Donald trump has spent the last few weeks in a courtroom so donors and Republican Voters are really thinking, what is our option just in case he cant go across the finish line on november 5 . Nikki haley is still having meetings. The fact that she has not been on the ballot in two months but voters are still as a protest vote or they want someone who is not donald trump and all of the baggage, so it is incumbent upon democrats to remind republicans about the chaos that this man brought on our lives for four years. And a lot of weak kneed republicans and independents are exhausted by that. And abortion is a major issue. As long as democrats can keep hammering it home, it is a winning issue in every state every time it is on the ballot. That is something they need to think about, to chip away at the margins of the trump haley voters. Take us into the thinking if there is any inside of the haley camp at this moment. Do you think haley is waiting to wait it out and see what happens to trump legally speaking before offering her endorsement . Perhaps that was her rationale for staying in the president ial primary for so long, on the off chance that he would be unable to run. But is there any play depending on how the Manhattan Trial Plays Out . Do i think there is any play to get rid of donald trump as the republican nominee absent an act of god . No, i really dont. I would like to think that nikki haley is with holding their endorsement in the hope of peag the future of a post Trump Republican Party and would maybe join with the few decent republicans like the former Lieutenant Governor of georgia who said because donald trump is such an ethically depraved person that they will vote for joe biden as much as they disagree with him, that said, i feel like, we have seen again and again every main stream republican, not every republican but the vast majority who try to make a show of their distance from trump end up bending the knee. That seems to be what donald trump is counting on. I think it is striking that you saw in that clip, he is not making a pitch to haley voters. He is not trying to invite them to his tent the way joe biden has directly. It is more of a sneering, where else are you going to go. The other interesting thing, speaking of nikki haley voters, specifically on trump, you have rfk jr. Who is outflanking him on the crazies and you have nikki haley outflanking him among the College Educated republicans, perhaps a little bit of the never trumpers. Where do you potentially see her voters going . Is it to trump or to biden . It depends on whether or not democrats can make a case to her particular voters. They dont seem as rabid as trump supporters. They by and large tend to be a little more educated. If we can think of the social issues as economic issues. Forcing a woman to have a child is an economic issue. Climate change is an economic issue for business owners, small and large. So all of these democratic foundational principles that joe biden is putting forth for the party, he can possibly speak to certain nikki haley voters because we have seen republicans by and large as michelle said, they talk a good game and they vacillate but at the end of the day, they go back to the camp they are most comfortable and hold their nose and vote for donald trump and get the tax cut. Obviously, donald trump is more nervous because polling says when rfk is in the race, he chips away at some of the base. Im curious to see if what we saw in 1992 where ross perot is in the race and he doesnt win any Electoral College votes but he geds 19 million votes and puts a real dent in george h. W. Bushs voting base. That is probably making trump a little more nervous, especially if joe biden can chip away at the nikki haley voters since he is assuming there will be democrats that will abstain because they are disappointed in certain policies of the administration. Trump dismissed the Axios Reporting that he was considering nikki haley as a running mate. There was a suggestion that they both need her politically speaking. Trump needs her voters and fundraising. Haley wants a future in the Republican Party that will at least for now have to run through donald trump. What do you make of this kind of symbiotic relationship and is that the case . Do you agree with that . I can see why he needs her or could benefit from having her on the ticket. It would shore up its not right to say his moderate flank but more of the establishment flank, shore up the flank of the people who dont want to burn the existing system to the ground. That said, it is really difficult for me to put myself inside of the mind of any of these candidates except maybe kristi noem or some of these other figures. Please dont put yourself inside her mind. It is very difficult for me to see why nikki haley would imagine that her future runs through donald trump when you can see very well what has happened to all of the other republicans. I guess she g