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MSNBC Dateline September 1, 2024

Without knowing it a nice record. It wasn't an if, it was a when were they going to tell us that she is not coming home? this is not what we was supposed to happen. The note was under her blanket. I saw it sticking out. Their daughter was a runaway. I am frantic, because i did not find her. They called police. They searched, and then a jogger found a ready to and a pool of blood. Here they are, three people at the door. I just started sobbing. They had found her daughter, but not the boy she was with. It was as if he had never existed. We couldn't find anything about lj. Months went by, still no trace of lj, and then an rookie took the case. How did you feel about it that this was going to be your case? i didn't know if i was going to be capable of doing this, i cried for 2 hours. 18 found dead. We still don't have an answer. And mysterious missing suspect she said that lj has killed someone before. And hers to solve. You are learning how to become a detective as you go. This is the case that's taught me. You have no surefire way to keep your children safe. K made one of her toughest cases deeply personal, when she decided to adopt annie. Over the years, annie thrived, but it turned out, she was keeping a secret that was only discovered after her disappearance. Over cy over the years and he thrived but it turned out she had a secret. Could pregnancy been the motive for her all too real murder? could annie have run into the wrong crowd? here is dennis with the girl with the red shoes. Veronica kasprzak. My mother is probably the one that still says that. But yeah. I heard that a lot. She release listened though. The desire to do good, to save a child, was too strong. So, sometimes, in the quiet hours, she wonders if she did the right thing. If i wouldn't have picked that house, if i would not have taken a shower, if i would have done something else. She wouldn't have been in that situation. Of course, no one could have known then that it would end up like this. Unified police department i need to report a runaway, my daughter has been missing. Her daughter was annie grace kasprzak, though, when veronica first met annie, she wasn't a kasprzak at all. She wasn't their daughter, she was a client, just seven years old. She had been through some abuse and had a hard time trusting other people. Back in 2005, veronica was a caseworker for veronica's division of child and family services. Her job was to find a home for kids who no longer had one. And he was one of those kids. Any kind of has a larger than life personality, whatever annie does she never did small. If there is something she likes, she loved it, it was huge and if there was something she didn't like it was big and no question about it. Comic a big didn't it? oh yes. Veronica tried for years to find any a stable home, but after annie had been flown back to the state nine times, veronica, young, naove and stubborn, made a surprising decision. To adopt any. Did your superiors tell you, you know, we don't don't cross that line? uhhuh. Don't bring her into your home? that was true at the time because i happened to be about six months pregnant, so i'm sure the thought was, crazy pregnant lady, she doesn't know what she is doing. But it was very much, are you sure? you can save everybody. But veronica was determined to try. She, and her then husband, dennis, adopted 10yearold annie in 2007. Annie, who had bounced from house to house finally had a home. Parents and brothers who adored her. She was the immediate cool big sister. She liked being the oldest, being in charge, teaching them all at this cool stuff. She was wanted, happy, making memories. Santa! opening gifts on christmas morning, her first trip to the beach. Not that everything was perfect, mind you. There was definitely still a i am going to text you, as much as you say you are loving me and keeping me, i don't believe you. How would you challenge? just the quintessential, i am not going to do what you say, i'm going to do whatever i want. So, a psychological disconnect? mhmm. Which only intensified when annie entered her teen years. She was about as boy crazy as i can imagine. She always had a boy that she liked or liked her, and it was never a here, let me see, it is out oh, i am so in love you, this is forever, i couldn't imagine anyone being more amazing. She was very all in it. But annie was also into her education and her future. She wanted to be a therapist, just like veronica. She even wanted her new family to adopt more kids. What about this other girl, mom? she is there, she is having a hard time, i think we should. I mean, your daughter in a way. Veronica eventually divorced and remarried. She, and her new husband, james, settled here in riverton, utah, a quiet suburb of salt lake city. Annie had james wrapped around her finger. I took her with me to help me pick out and there is a shoe store right across the way. She had a way with me, she could talk me into just about anything, and one of them was her favorite shoes that she found they were a red pair of shoes. Just a few weeks later, march 10th, 2012, annie, now 15, was watching her brothers, while veronica and james went out for dinner. And when we came home, everything seemed the same. I mean, annie had changed from running around the house and shorts to genes and i just kind of chalked that up to, okay, she has gotten cold. And i had a massive headache i couldn't get rid of, so i went to take a shower and annie had gone downstairs to her room to listen to music and figured it was another saturday. But it wasn't. When veronica finished her shower, and he was gone. James searched her bedroom. The note was tucked underneath her blanket. I grabbed it and it just said, i am sorry, mom, i haven't been totally honest with you. Annie, it turned out, was keeping a secret. In the note, she wrote, i like to my friends, i told them i was p. P? veronica and james news at stood for the word no teenagers wanted to hear, pregnant. Just a few months earlier they learned that annie have sex for the first time. She had had sex, so, for any she assumed that i could be pregnant or i am pregnant. But the pregnancy test was negative, and annie was not on birth control. Why would she lie about being p? even more alarming was where annie said she was going. By the time you read this note, i'll be on my way to california. Please don't try and look for me, because i don't want to be found. The first thing we did was we called the police, and then the second person i called was chris. 14yearold, chris bradshaw, annie had brought him over to the house a few times. He was kind of quiet, i kind of took it as the, i'm here with my girl friend's parents, i want to make sure they don't kill me. Was he in and out of the picture for her as the boyfriend of the moment? mhmm. She was crazy about him. Crystal veronica she didn't know where annie was, but he did have some potentially significant information. Annie told him she was running away with a guy, called lj. We were shocked, because we did know all of her friends because they changed a lot depending on who she was hanging out with at the moment, but it wasn't familiar at all. A police officer came and took a report. James, meanwhile, called up the gps on any's cell phone. It put her around about the golf course out in riverton, within a mile of that, which is around the bridge area. The bridge at the jordan river, just a couple of miles from their home. A place joggers and horseback riders frequent during the day, and young lovers at night. James, veronica, and the officers watched as annie's phone ping across the computer screen in real time. You are watching her move? yes. Our immediate assumption was she is getting in a car. This is a hot pursuit now for her? yup. And then the signal just stopped. Veronica drove to a walmart, near where they tracked any's phone. And i have her picture on my cell phone, and i am showing it to the people that are sitting at the front of the greeter is going have you seen this girl? are you collected or are you a wreck while this is going on? i am frantic. Veronica went back home. She and james watched the front door, and they kept calling annie, and her phone went straight to voicemail. And the best of worlds, she's out with some young boyfriend who may have been unknown? mhmm. Off on a lark, but she will come back and regroup? our fear was that she will come back pregnant. Worst case scenario? not even close. Coming up. He had told us that lj had driven by the house threatening chris. 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Morning dew on the brush, the crisp air, the sun rising over the wasatch mountains, it should have been a beautiful day, but for a jogger on the jordan river parkway that morning, it was anything but. The crisp air, the crisp air, the sun rising over the wasatch mountains, it should have a beautiful day. But for a jogger on the jordan river parkway that mormon morning, it was anything but. 911, what is your emergency? you know, i'm i'm not real sure, i met the river bottom, and there's some pools of blood, and right by the river there is a shoe. Sergeant chad was the first on the scene. We called forensics out and we did a perceptive test, which was able to tell us that it actually was human blood. Human blood, that changed things. I am just thinking, okay, you might have a body of water, so we called in a helicopter. The helicopter was in the air for just under an hour. Before it spotted something about a mile north of where the jogger saw the water. It was caught up in some branches. As the chopper got closer, it was here, there was a body in the river. Sergeant, when the divers pulled the victim out, what were the injuries they observed to her face? she had a laceration, here on her for head. Her face was very swollen. So they weren't able to tell to what extent the injuries were and we couldn't identify who she was. Their jane doe, dressed in a red and white plaid shirt looks to be about 20 years old. Her features, possibly asian, and obviously she had been murdered. Leading the investigation was a young detective, named derek johnson. Tell me about it. Right when he came in to the academy he sat next to me and started teasing me and the rest of the class time we just harassed each other and laughed and giggled all day. Jacqueline more met derek at the police academy. Sheehan derek hit it off immediately. A defective spot came up in and we both applied and he got it. Did you think rats? i did. He got it and i didn't. There is his first case, which was also the first homicide the small town of draper have seen in years. Someone called police just after 10:00 this morning to report they had come across a gruesome scene. By the time veronica and james saw this, and he had been missing for nearly 20 hours. The information that it is an asian woman under 10 he was the initial report, that would seem to rule out any. Initially we are thinking no, that is not possible, that that there is no way. But then a detail, sergeant carpenter shared with with affiliate, ks ltv. There was an issue at the crime scene, and there was one on the body. A red shoe, the same kind of james has bought annie for valentine's day just weeks earlier. Veronica tried to stay calm. We called the police and said, hey, how her daughter is missing. I think logically i was missing they are going to rule it out. But they couldn't rule it out. After i called the police i called my parents to come pick up our boys, and i just started sobbing. Police say determined the twentysomething asian victim was really 15yearold, annie kasprzak, she had been killed by blunt force trauma to the head. Veronica and james had thought the rapid pinging of any's home was driving away. Now there was no hope of her ever coming home. There's the very worst moment of your life. Here there are, three people at your door. They confirmed that it was annie. I think we were in shock. We went into automatic what you need from us? tell us what you want you can have it. Veronica told investigators what you learned from any's on again, offagain boyfriend, chris back shaw, that annie had run away with a boy, named lj. You talked with lj, how did you talk to him? i talked to him once. Actually on the phone. Police spoke to chris back shaw and his father at their home. And when you talk to him on the phone, did he speak with an accent or did you notice anything distinctive about his voice? no. Naturally, police also had to ask chris where he was. I was with my grandma, and at one point i did walk up to see if my friend can hang out, but he was gone. They went through the usual questions. When you walk to your friends what you are? just regular jeans and a t shirt and a red jacket. Just bluejeans? yeah. Bluejeans, his nike shoes, he had a tshirt underneath. You mind if we see your nikes? sure. Chris wanted to help, he gave those nikes to investigators, as well as his clothes for a dna sample. And after his interview, chris's. Called up sergeant carter. He told us in this phone call that lj had driven by the house, he was threatening chris. So, you are getting more information that this lj is a very real and threatening person ? yes. Detectives also spoke to chris and annie's friend, spencer. Spencer said he was at the jail with his brother the night and he was killed. Did she have an interest? not that she didn't really tell me, maybe she does, because of some person that i have no idea who he is. She told me he was and again, i don't know for sure. Before he left him a spencer shared one more thing with police. She said that lj has killed someone before, she didn't give me a name, but she says she knows that or something like

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