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On on this new hour, what happens to the remaining hostages in gaza? hear from the father of one of them whose son has been held sap active since october 7th. Plus when it comes to donald trump's legal troubles, his game of delay is working. Let's do it. Let's do it. Today hundreds of thousands of protesters flooded the streets of tel aviv. Demonstrators are threatening to shut down the country unless netanyahu finally agrees to a deal with hamas to release the hostages and israel's largest labor union is calling for a general strike tomorrow. Many inside israel have reached a boiling point with netanyahu after the israeli military recovered the dead bodies of six hostages from gaza. They were identified as carmel g guy, alexander lobanoff, master sergeant ori denina and hirsch goldberg polin, one of the american hostages found. The crowd erupted in chance of bringing them home. It's described spending nearly 11 months in an excruciating state of limbo where every day they hoped to not receive word that thurston had been killed. So we kind of live in this parallel universe that many people can't begin to imagine. We ourself can't begin to imagine and we're in that universe where our only son has been missing for these 324 days and we've had one time that we've seen him and it was for a two minute video where he was reading a script. It's really a very torturous and anxietyriddled existence. Before last night's news the parents told me they hadn't received any updates on their son's condition or whereabouts since april when hamas released a video of him. President biden said he was devastated and outraged by hersh's death and today benjamin netanyahu doubled down on solely blame has gone mass for the loss of hostages, even as hundreds of thousands of protesters and the families of hostages asked him to set aside his ego and make a deal. The u. S. Has a stake in all of this beyond its special relationship with israel. There are still several american hostages who have not returned home after being captured by hamas. Earlier today i spoke with jonathan deckelchin, an israeli american, whose son is still held by hamas. Thank you for joining us. I know it's been a long and difficult day for you and many others. Have you heard any updates on the whereabouts or condition of your son either from the american or israeli governments over the last few months. No. Unfortunately, i have not. The last solid information we had about him came in late november, early december from some of the teenagers released during the first round of negotiations which freed about 100 hostages overall and from those 40 are from a small small farming community in gaza and some of the women were able to tell us they had encountered our son and many other in the tunnels under gaza. At the time he was alive and wounded, but that was several lifetimes ago. That's the way it feels. I know that there are protests taking place all across the country. They're escalating in israel as we speak. We're expecting more tomorrow. A lot of the anger of these protests is targeted at the government or cabinet of prime minister netanyahu for his failure to bring the hostages back and failure to secure a ceasefire deal. At this point do you agree with the focus being squarely on the prime minister? do you believe he is a roadblock to a ceasefire deal and the release of hostages from being achieved? well, look, i've been highly critical of the prime minister and his wartime policies, particularly around the hostage crisis for many, many months now and clearly there is a part here that the israeli government is or is not playing to complete the negotiation process. That being said, we are in this place because of what hamas perpetrated on october 7th by massacring somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,400 israelis taking hostage 240, perpetrating mass rape and mass destruction. Hamas set off this horrific chain of events, could have ended it at anytime starting on october 8th simply by releasing the hostages. Hamas could release the remaining 101 hostages in an hour and this horror would end. So sadly, we do not have an adversary like that that is even in the realm of humane. So we have to deal with the adversary that we have, which is satan incarnate. That again being said, that is the negotiating partner that we have. Our own government in israel has been pretty steadfast in its avoidance of negotiating in good faith and certainly getting to yes, on our part and to force hamas to say yes or no at the end of the day. Why do you believe, if i may, sir, the israeli government is not negotiating in good faith, as you say? well, i think in any case it's extremely difficult to negotiate with a fundamentalist terror organization. This is not a state, even a rogue state. This is a band of criminals for all intents and purposes and governments don't really know how to do that. We have mediators. That is true. The united states, qatar, and egypt have done amazing work, but at the other end of this what we still have is a terrorist organization that clearly has no regard for the lives of israelis or palestinians, for that matter. So from the outset this was always going to be a difficult thing to accomplish, but i think there's no doubt at this point or almost no doubt that the israeli government and our prime minister are driven at least as much by their own personal political interests and political survival as they are by interests in ending this war and instead pursuing the most radical visions of this tiny pocket of far right nationalist politicians that hold our government, the israeli government, in a kind of stranglehold because of the coalition politics that are our political system. What would you say to the critics of those who say if you get a ceasefire deal now and hamas exists or continues to exist after a deal and the release of hostages, you're going to find yourself in another october 7th situation down the road? hamas has said they would do october 7th over again and right now there are those in israel who say if you take your foot off the pedal and not destroy hamas completely, even if it is at the detriment of hostages inside gaza, you will live to have more attacks and more terrorism from the gaza strip? look, we're dealing with a very specific country here, israel, and we as israelis need to understand and most of us do that the country was created in 1948 for the express purpose of not killing our neighbors as a first order of business, as a matter of selfdefense, of course, but our first order of business is to protect our own citizens. Our citizens in the south of the country were completely abandoned by our government and sadly, by our army on october 7th. It is inconceivable for any reason to allow them to be abandoned a second time, perhaps even a third time and to be allowed to die in captivity which is the pattern over the course of the last two weeks. 12 bodies of israeli hostages who we know for a fact were alive for months in hamas captivity, their bodies were returned by the israeli army. So this is not an infinite question. We must act now to bring them home now and israeli society itself, you know, aside from what might had be a legitimate security discussion, israeli society itself is coming apart at the seams because of how this government has been handling the hostage crisis and the same government that began sort of this social dissolution in israel started with its attempted judicial coup in january of '23. October 6th, day before the attack, the massacre by hamas, israeli society was holding on by a thread in terms of its coherence and solidarity. Now with the betrayal so many israelis feel around the hostage issue, our society will never recover if we cannot get as many of them home as possible of the 101 and bring the remains home to reunite with their families for those who have already been murdered. Jonathan dexelchen, our thoughts and prayers are with you and all the families going through this horrible situation. We pray for the immediate and safe release of your son and all the others. Thank you so much for joining us. Next up, donald trump's legal game is paying off, but at what cost to the american people? known for nights to remember. Known for creating memories. Known for strong family ties. No one wants to be known for cancer, but a treatment can be. Keytruda is known to treat cancer. Fdaapproved for 17 types of cancer, including certain earlystage and advanced cancers. 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The new york magazine puts it trump may dodge sentencing in his hush money case until well after the election or perhaps forever thanks to the supreme court's decision to give him immunity for official acts as president. Now while the vast majority of the prosecution's evidence in the hush money case did focus on trump's conduct before becoming president, certain aspects of the case did relate to his conduct in office. So while sentencing in this case is set for september 18th, just weeks before the presidential election, prosecutors expect team trump to appeal yet again because the supreme court's immunity ruling makes it possible for them to do so. With me now, democratic strategist, former obama campaign adviser, former republican congressman carlos cabello and jill winebanks, former special watergate prosecutor. It's great to have you all three with us. Jill, last month you've got the manhattan d. A. 's office sending a letter to judge merchan on whether donald trump would be deferred before the election. Is that the d. A. 's way of trying to wipe their hands clean of political ramifications? i believe you are correct, ayman, that it is an evasion of their responsibility. Of course, they have to defer to the court. The court is the ultimate decider. The court is open to having the opinions of both sides. The trump team, of course, said delay, delay, delay and in my opinion there's no reason for a delay in the sentencing. The sentence can always be shortened or lengthened after the fact. So it should go ahead. There's no reason why the acts that took place during his presidency which related to his personal conduct and his personal liability should impact the outcome so that the immunity decision should not be a key issue and you said he could evade sentencing forever. I would have to challenge that by saying that he can delay it, but eventually he will get sentenced and even if it means that there has to be a retrial because the court somehow says that some evidence came in at the supreme court in its immunity said could not come in even as to personal, private, political conduct that isn't in any way part of his official duties. Carlos, if judge merchan does impose a prison sentence here, it's tricky. On one hand, it tarnishes trump's image and holds him accountable and on the other hand, it makes him politically speaking, a martyr to his base which we know he has exploited in the past. How do you see that balance? look, ayman, all of donald trump's legal troubles up to now have benefited him politically. This is surprising certainly. A lot of people predicted, including republican rivals, that this would throw him off track, that it would give people like nikki haley, ron desantis an opportunity to win the nomination as soon as the pileup of indictments started. Trump's numbers started rocketing. Now the way this race is looking, vice president harris has a lot of momentum. The race is focused on her as a change agent and i think that if donald trump's legal troubles start coming front and center again, that might actually end up helping him. I think the status quo of the race right now is very healthy for vice president harris. The more donald trump has attention on him, the more he can portray himself as a victim of the political establishment, the better he tends to do in polling. So this could go both ways. Your thoughts on all this because we know if trump wins in november, he will use whatever power he has to make as many of his legal woes go away. I think that you're absolutely right. If trump is to win in november, not only will project 2025 go into affect, we will also see the former president or then new president again basically try to wipe away all his legal issues and on top of that i think his delay tactics will have proven effective because he will have been in office again. That's one of the primary reasons this man continues to run. It's not so much he wants to be leader of the free world as second time as much as he knows he has legal woes at his back. I agree what was said a couple seconds ago. This is something that the former president has used time and time again to bolster his base. He has a habit of turning himself into a martyr up to and including showcasing memes on truth social as him portrayed as jesus being attacked. There is a lot going on here and his base tends to eat it up. E will use it as a weaponization of the justice department saying it's kamala harris setting him up. I think he runs the risk of doing something now he didn't a few months ago, further isolate hundreds of thousands <\/a>of protesters flooded the streets of tel aviv.<\/a> Demonstrators are threatening to shut down the country unless netanyahu finally agrees to a deal with hamas to release the hostages and israel's largest labor union <\/a>is calling for a general strike tomorrow.<\/a> Many inside israel have reached a boiling point <\/a>with netanyahu after the israeli military recovered the dead bodies of six hostages from gaza. They were identified as carmel g guy,<\/a> alexander lobanoff,<\/a> master sergeant ori denina and hirsch <\/a>goldberg polin, one of the american hostages found. The crowd erupted in chance of bringing them home. It's described spending nearly 11 months in an excruciating state of limbo where every day they hoped to not receive word that thurston had been killed. So we kind of live in this parallel universe that many people can't begin to imagine. We ourself can't begin to imagine and we're in that universe where our only son has been missing for these 324 days and we've had one time that we've seen him and it was for a two minute video <\/a>where he was reading a script. It's really a very torturous and anxietyriddled existence. Before last night's news the parents told me they hadn't received any updates on their son's condition or whereabouts <\/a>since april when hamas released a video of him. President biden said he was devastated and outraged by hersh's death and today <\/a>benjamin netanyahu doubled down on solely blame has gone mass for the loss of hostages, even as hundreds of thousands <\/a>of protesters and the families of hostages asked him to set aside his ego and make a deal. The u. S. Has a stake in all of this beyond its special relationship <\/a>with israel. There are still several american hostages who have not returned home after being captured by hamas. Earlier today i spoke with jonathan deckelchin,<\/a> an israeli american,<\/a> whose son is still held by hamas. Thank you for joining us. I know it's been a long and difficult day for you and many others. Have you heard any updates on the whereabouts or condition <\/a>of your son either from the american or israeli governments over the last few months. No. Unfortunately, i have not. The last solid information we had about him came in late november, early december from some of the teenagers released during the first round of negotiations which freed about 100 hostages overall and from those 40 are from a small small farming community <\/a>in gaza and some of the women were able to tell us they had encountered our son and many other in the tunnels under gaza. At the time he was alive and wounded, but that was several lifetimes ago. That's the way it feels. I know that there are protests taking place all across the country. They're escalating in israel as we speak. We're expecting more tomorrow. A lot of the anger of these protests is targeted at the government or cabinet <\/a>of prime minister netanyahu <\/a>for his failure to bring the hostages back and failure to secure a ceasefire deal. At this point do you agree with the focus being squarely on the prime minister? do you believe he is a roadblock to a ceasefire deal <\/a>and the release of hostages from being achieved? well, look, i've been highly critical of the prime minister <\/a>and his wartime policies, particularly around the hostage crisis <\/a>for many, many months now and clearly there is a part here that the israeli government is or is not playing to complete the negotiation process.<\/a> That being said, we are in this place because of what hamas perpetrated on october 7th <\/a>by massacring somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,400 israelis taking hostage 240,<\/a> perpetrating mass rape and mass destruction. Hamas set off this horrific chain of events,<\/a> could have ended it at anytime starting on october 8th <\/a>simply by releasing the hostages. Hamas could release the remaining 101 hostages in an hour and this horror would end. So sadly, we do not have an adversary like that that is even in the realm of humane. So we have to deal with the adversary that we have, which is satan incarnate.<\/a> That again being said, that is the negotiating partner <\/a>that we have. Our own government in israel has been pretty steadfast in its avoidance of negotiating in good faith and certainly getting to yes, on our part and to force hamas to say yes or no at the end of the day. Why do you believe, if i may, sir, the israeli government is not negotiating in good faith, as you say? well, i think in any case it's extremely difficult to negotiate with a fundamentalist terror organization.<\/a> This is not a state, even a rogue state.<\/a> This is a band of criminals for all intents and purposes and governments don't really know how to do that. We have mediators. That is true. The united states, qatar, and egypt have done amazing work, but at the other end of this what we still have is a terrorist organization that clearly has no regard for the lives of israelis or palestinians, for that matter. So from the outset this was always going to be a difficult thing to accomplish, but i think there's no doubt at this point or almost no doubt that the israeli government and our prime minister <\/a>are driven at least as much by their own personal political interests and political survival as they are by interests in ending this war and instead pursuing the most radical visions of this tiny pocket of far right nationalist politicians that hold our government, the israeli government, in a kind of stranglehold because of the coalition politics <\/a>that are our political system. What would you say to the critics of those who say if you get a ceasefire deal <\/a>now and hamas exists or continues to exist after a deal and the release of hostages, you're going to find yourself in another october 7th situation down the road? hamas has said they would do october 7th over again and right now there are those in israel who say if you take your foot off the pedal and not destroy hamas completely, even if it is at the detriment of hostages inside gaza,<\/a> you will live to have more attacks and more terrorism from the gaza strip? look, we're dealing with a very specific country here, israel, and we as israelis need to understand and most of us do that the country was created in 1948 for the express purpose of not killing our neighbors as a first order of business, as a matter of selfdefense, of course, but our first order of business is to protect our own citizens. Our citizens in the south of the country were completely abandoned by our government and sadly, by our army on october 7th. It is inconceivable for any reason to allow them to be abandoned a second time, perhaps even a third time and to be allowed to die in captivity which is the pattern over the course of the last two weeks. 12 bodies of israeli hostages who we know for a fact were alive for months in hamas captivity,<\/a> their bodies were returned by the israeli army.<\/a> So this is not an infinite question. We must act now to bring them home now and israeli society <\/a>itself, you know, aside from what might had be a legitimate security discussion, israeli society <\/a>itself is coming apart at the seams because of how this government has been handling the hostage crisis <\/a>and the same government that began sort of this social dissolution in israel started with its attempted judicial coup in january of '23. October 6th,<\/a> day before the attack, the massacre by hamas,<\/a> israeli society <\/a>was holding on by a thread in terms of its coherence and solidarity.<\/a> Now with the betrayal so many israelis feel around the hostage issue,<\/a> our society will never recover if we cannot get as many of them home as possible of the 101 and bring the remains home to reunite with their families for those who have already been murdered. Jonathan dexelchen,<\/a> our thoughts and prayers are with you and all the families going through this horrible situation. We pray for the immediate and safe release of your son and all the others. Thank you so much for joining us. Next up, donald trump's legal game is paying off, but at what cost to the american people? known for nights to remember. Known for creating memories. Known for strong family ties.<\/a> No one wants to be known for cancer, but a treatment can be. Keytruda is known to treat cancer. Fdaapproved for 17 types of cancer, including certain earlystage and advanced cancers. One of those cancers is a kind of bladder and urinary tract cancer <\/a>called advanced urothelial cancer.<\/a> Keytruda may be used with the medicine enfortumab vedotin <\/a>in adults when your bladder or urinary tract cancer <\/a>has spread or cannot be removed by surgery. Keytruda can cause your immune system <\/a>to attack healthy parts of your body during or after treatment. This may be severe and lead to death. See your doctor right away if you have cough, shortness of breath, chest pain,<\/a> diarrhea, severe stomach pain,<\/a> severe nausea or vomiting,<\/a> headache, light sensitivity,<\/a> eye problems,<\/a> irregular heartbeat,<\/a> extreme tiredness,<\/a> constipation, dizziness or fainting,<\/a> changes in appetite, thirst, or urine, confusion, memory problems,<\/a> muscle pain <\/a>or weakness, fever, rash, itching, or flushing. There may be other side effects. Tell your doctor about all your medical conditions, including immune system <\/a>problems, if you've had or plan to have an organ, tissue, or stem cell transplant,<\/a> received chest radiation,<\/a> or have a nervous system problem.<\/a> Keytruda is an immunotherapy and is also being studied in hundreds of clinical trials exploring ways to treat even more types of cancer. It's tru. Keytruda from merck. See all the types of cancer keytruda <\/a>is known for at keytruda. Com, and ask your doctor if keytruda could be right for you. We always had dogs, they're like my best buddies. Yep, had them my whole life. C'mon bo! so we got him and he is a, an absolute joy. Daddy's puppy. Once we got on the farmer's dog he just attacks it, it's incredible. They're so tuned into you and they have such, such personality. Being without a dog, i don't know, can't imagine it. [laughter] donald donald trump loves a good court delay <\/a>and we certainly know why. The new york magazine <\/a>puts it trump may dodge sentencing in his hush money case <\/a>until well after the election or perhaps forever thanks to the supreme court's decision to give him immunity for official acts as president. Now while the vast majority of the prosecution's evidence in the hush money case <\/a>did focus on trump's conduct before becoming president, certain aspects of the case did relate to his conduct in office. So while sentencing in this case is set for september 18th, just weeks before the presidential election, prosecutors expect team trump <\/a>to appeal yet again because the supreme court's immunity ruling <\/a>makes it possible for them to do so. With me now, democratic strategist, former obama campaign adviser,<\/a> former republican congressman carlos cabello and jill <\/a>winebanks, former special watergate prosecutor.<\/a> It's great to have you all three with us. Jill, last month you've got the manhattan d. A. 's office sending a letter to judge merchan on whether <\/a>donald trump would be deferred before the election. Is that the d. A. 's way of trying to wipe their hands clean of political ramifications? i believe you are correct, ayman, that it is an evasion of their responsibility. Of course, they have to defer to the court. The court is the ultimate decider. The court is open to having the opinions of both sides. The trump team,<\/a> of course, said delay, delay, delay and in my opinion there's no reason for a delay in the sentencing. The sentence can always be shortened or lengthened after the fact. So it should go ahead. There's no reason why the acts that took place during his presidency which related to his personal conduct and his personal liability should impact the outcome so that the immunity decision <\/a>should not be a key issue and you said he could evade sentencing forever. I would have to challenge that by saying that he can delay it, but eventually he will get sentenced and even if it means that there has to be a retrial because the court somehow says that some evidence came in at the supreme court in its immunity said could not come in even as to personal, private, political conduct that isn't in any way part <\/a>of his official duties. Carlos, if judge merchan does impose a prison sentence <\/a>here, it's tricky. On one hand, it tarnishes trump's image and holds him accountable and on the other hand, it makes him politically speaking, a martyr to his base which we know he has exploited in the past. How do you see that balance? look, ayman, all of donald trump's legal troubles up to now have benefited him politically. This is surprising certainly. A lot of people predicted, including republican rivals, that this would throw him off track, that it would give people like nikki haley,<\/a> ron desantis <\/a>an opportunity to win the nomination as soon as the pileup of indictments started. Trump's numbers started rocketing. Now the way this race is looking, vice president harris has a lot of momentum. The race is focused on her as a change agent <\/a>and i think that if donald trump's legal troubles start coming front and center <\/a>again, that might actually end up helping him. I think the status quo <\/a>of the race right now is very healthy for vice president harris. The more donald trump has attention on him, the more he can portray himself as a victim of the political establishment, the better he tends to do in polling. So this could go both ways. Your thoughts on all this because we know if trump wins in november, he will use whatever power he has to make as many of his legal woes go away. I think that you're absolutely right. If trump is to win in november, not only will project 2025 go into affect, we will also see the former president or then new president again basically try to wipe away all his legal issues and on top of that i think his delay tactics <\/a>will have proven effective because he will have been in office again. That's one of the primary reasons this man continues to run. It's not so much he wants to be leader of the free world as second time as much as he knows he has legal woes at his back. I agree what was said a couple seconds ago. This is something that the former president has used time and time again to bolster his base. He has a habit of turning himself into a martyr up <\/a>to and including showcasing memes on truth social as him portrayed as jesus being attacked. There is a lot going on here and his base tends to eat it up. E will use it as a weaponization of the justice department <\/a>saying it's kamala harris setting him up. I think he runs the risk of doing something now he didn't a few months ago, further isolate women voters,<\/a> moderate voters and not others who have not own seen this man convicted, but are watching when will be through this election cycle <\/a>the prosecutor versus the convict. I think it sets that up narrative more as well. Jill, this week jack smith <\/a>submitted a superseding indictment <\/a>in the federal election interference case <\/a>making changes to fall in line with the supreme court's immunity ruling. Now trump and smith <\/a>proposed opposing timelines to move forward. What do you expect to see? what would be a realistic timeline for judge chutkan <\/a>to set? i think the timeline that has been set by smith is a reasonable amount. This is a case where the facts are pretty obvious and the superseding indictment <\/a>eliminates all the references to any conduct by trump as president, makes clear that the indictment allegations relate to trump as candidate. There is no immunity for the candidate trump.<\/a> Even the vice president is identified as the president of the senate, not as the vice president. That means conversations with the president of the senate are not part of the official duties. So i think that it was a genius move <\/a>on the part of smith to clear it up and to make it easy for judge chutkan <\/a>to now look at the evidence, to have a hearing, see what would be presented, the american people to see that evidence if there is a hearing and to be able to see what they won't get to see at a trial before we get to the election. I just want to go back to the other question because it's being portrayed as a win\/win whether donald trump is sentenced before the election and i think it's a win for the people if he is because that would show accountability and justice <\/a>being done. So it is a win for him in terms of his followers. He will either be, as you said, a martyr which will enrage his followers or he'll get not sentenced or to something really minor and he will be able to say to his followers who will believe it well, it was a big nothing burger.<\/a> So i think we need to see the sentencing happen. Carlos, lawrence tribe,<\/a> famed constitutional law professor,<\/a> took to x to say the fact that jack smith had to jump through these new hoops exposes the idiocy and danger <\/a>of the court's assessment rulings.<\/a> Do you share that view as well? certainly the court's immunity ruling <\/a>opened up a new chapter in american history.<\/a> We've been talking about the imperial presidency a couple decades now. This takes it to a whole new level. I think there's going to be take lot of remorse in that court. There are some true constitutional conservatives there that i think are going to end up regretting this decision because they have expanded the president's powers in a way i think our founding fathers would absolutely find shocking. I do think that the more the legal system processes that ruling, the more its dangers, going to be exposed. Last month trump <\/a>asked judge merchan to delay sentencing until after election day.<\/a> This week he tried to get the new york case <\/a>moved to federal court.<\/a> Given all these motions, do you think we'll see sentencing as scheduled on september 18th? unfortunately, no. I think his delay tactic in this case will largely panel out.<\/a> Will we see sentencing at some point? absolutely. Right now i don't think we'll see something happen before september 18th. I don't think that is possible with anybody's calendar and he was looking forward to it not being. He wants to be on the campaign trail. He doesn't want to have the next debate. He definitely wants to be on the campaign trail, anything other than having the news carry conversation <\/a>about his cases. That hurts him even though he can bolster his base. He knows he needs more than a maga base <\/a>to rate. He's trying to do whatever he can to continue to push these things and thus far he's been successful. Jill, do we expect to see any sentencing in the next coming weeks or even before the election? it is scheduled for september 18th <\/a>and i was just making the argument for the people, for justice, for accountability it should proceed on september 18th. Right. I can't predict that because especially with having taken the i'm not going to take a position on sentencing, it's probably something judge merchan <\/a>might take advantage of and postpone sentencing. Jill winebanks,<\/a> thank you so much. Ameshi and carlos, please stick around. Next up, what president trump <\/a>did to himself, we'll explain. (man) yes! 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E*trade from morgan stanley <\/a>i'm so i'm so proud to be running with tim walz <\/a>for president of the united states <\/a>and to bring america what i believe the american people deserve, which is a new way forward and turn the page to the last decade what i believe is contrary to the spirit where our country lies. The last 3 1\/2 years has been part of your administration. I'm talking about an era that started about a decade ago where there is some suggestion, warped i believe it to be, that the measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you beat down instead of where i believe most americans are, which is to believe that the true measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you lift up. That's vice president kamala harris in her first sitdown interview <\/a>as the democratic nominee saying her presidency would turn the page on the last decade of trumpism, all part of a strategy to paint donald trump as the incumbent rather than the challenger and it has clearly rattled donald trump who posted on his failed social media platform,<\/a> kamala and her handlers are trying to make it sound like i am the incumbent president so that they can blame me for the failure of the past four years. No, it was their failure. This denial from trump would carry some weight if he hadn't spent the last four years acting as if he is the current president. If you were living overseas and just a casual observer of american politics, i couldn't blame you for thinking he never left the white house.<\/a> Whether it's displaying fake presidential seals at his properties or flying around on his trump force <\/a>one, he likes to act like he is still the president of the united states, especially when he conducts what certainly looks and feels like official presidential business out of his maralago house.<\/a> After being exiled to his palm beach resort,<\/a> he started holding regular meetings there with high profile republicans <\/a>where he worked to undermine president biden by ordering republicans to kill the border deal <\/a>earlier this year where he sought off this photo op <\/a>after an attempt by marjorie taylor greene <\/a>to oust him as speaker. He also hosts foreign dignitaries there almost as if he's chief diplomat of the united states or something. In march far right hungarian prime minister <\/a>viktor orban met trump <\/a>at maralago snubbing a sitdown with the actual president, joe biden.<\/a> In july trump <\/a>held a pretend summit there with prime minister netanyahu <\/a>to discuss the ongoing israelgaza war.<\/a> Last week trump <\/a>brought his play to arlington cemetery.<\/a> The next time trump wants to say he's not running as the incumbent, he might want to blame himself for spending the last four years as a shadow president <\/a>of sorts. My panel joins me after this break. Sleep number <\/a>does that. Your ideal firmness <\/a>and effortless comfort, all night. During our biggest sale of the year, save 50% on the sleep number limited edition smart ellen pompeo i've never when you add any base. Really been offered a beauty campaign <\/a>when i was in my twenties or my thirties or my forties. It wasn't until i was 48 years old, when i thought that was way behind me. 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I think we have to be very serious donald trump is somebody who first and foremost never fully admitted to at all losing in 2020. He's been fighting to say he won ever since. With that said, i think it's smart for the harris campaign <\/a>to continue charging this on because as you show, this is a guy who has hosted top brass <\/a>at maralago this year alone, the speaker of the house,<\/a> top senate leaders, viktor orban,<\/a> the prime minister <\/a>of israel. There are so many people who he has invited there acting as he's either in a diplomatic role or he is sent there by the current administration of which he is not. He has acted as a pseudopresident for a minute now. I think it's very important that the campaign put a laser focus <\/a>on that, but also so that he cannot run away and create a campaign where he is essentially a fresh start. I think what donald trump has tried to do and successfully did the first goround was showcase himself as a nonpolitician, someone who wasn't washington, who was fresh it, new, didn't have anything to do with the political sphere. He can't do that now. He's already served four years. We saw <\/a>what that was. We know even though he denies project 2025 his hand print <\/a>is all over it. We know he continues as if he is in elected office. Congressman, it's one thing for trump to say he's not the incumbent. Yes, that is factually true, but that doesn't change the fact that he and has operated the last three years as a shadow president <\/a>and acting as a kingmaker for his party working on derailing biden's agenda. You think of the immigration debacle <\/a>that happened. There was bipartisan support for immigration reform.<\/a> President biden said he was going to support it and sign it. Donald trump vetoed his party from advancing that bipartisan bill, one of many examples how he's had a stranglehold over the republican party even though he's no longer in any elected office. Ayman, i think the point the vice president made in that clip of the interview you showed is probably the most powerful argument that she has ahead of this election. It's not just in the republican party. We think back about ten years. All of american politics <\/a>has in some way revolved around donald trump. What did he say today? who did he insult? what questionable conduct is he engaged in? how is he undermining biden administration, people in his own party? that argument she made about turning the page, i think a lot of americans, particularly swing voters we know both parties have their bases and donald trump has a very strong base of support and vice <\/a>president harris does,<\/a> too but the people who will decide this election in those key swing states,<\/a> those still undecided voters, with them this idea of turning this page, this ugly, difficult page in american political history where we've had so much turmoil, so much negativity, so many insults being hurled all across the spectrum, but really with donald trump being the focal point <\/a>of that, this argument is very powerful about turning the page and i think that's why even though she's an incumbent vice president, she has been able to cast herself as a change candidate <\/a>in this election. Yeah. The chants at the dnc we are not going back were very powerful and even though trump has been out of office four years, we're still living with the impact of his presidency. He appointed the supreme court justices that helped overturn roe versus wade.<\/a> He helped spread distrust <\/a>in our election results <\/a>and his refusal to concede the 2020 election, his mishandling of the covid pandemic <\/a>that helped bring about inflation and caused the deaths of thousands of americans. How can trump run away from that record and by painting this election as a chance to move forward and not go back, do we finally close the chapter on the presence of trump in american politics <\/a>over the last ten years? well, he can run away from it if people don't ask the questions you just did. If he's able to frame his own narrative because he does do the press conferences.<\/a> He loves to talk in front of the press. He loves to tell his own story which is running a complete affront to actual facts, people allow him to get away with it on a daily basis. As long as they're holding his feet to the fire asking the questions, i think we'll get to the point where it starts to sink in. We'll have to do that really quickly. What do we have, basically two months with early voting. It's easy to acknowledge trump set the wheels in motion for the economic disaster and thankfully, the biden administration have worked he for fervently. We fervently. We know donald trump did his best to unsettle democracy at every single turn, when he was in office and after he left office his plans took shape in states across the country. He's working to nullify the vote in georgia right now and several other states as well. ' pointed supreme court <\/a>justices who he knew would overturn roe v. Wade, meanwhile on the campaign trail <\/a>saying he supports ivf and wants the government to pay for it. There is a donald trump we need to put on blast for the record he created the disastrous results of that record, but also the truth behind the man who continues to lie and that is a job of journalists and also the job of the public who is consuming this information meanwhile watching what his policies have done in realtime. It's going to be a very hard journey, but i think it's important we continue to push forward to acknowledge that and also what could happen with a new trump administration <\/a>that would have more people in place to get the job done. He wants to throw things back to the states on purpose because he knows he has created a states right and state government <\/a>in many places that has amplified because of the policies passed at the state many things that totally will make them become their own kingdoms. I think it's very important we talk about that as well. These people are working to nullify expansions, stop medicaid,<\/a> work against the processes of the current administration to keep people employed, insure they have healthcare access,<\/a> insure they have good schools and good economy and donald <\/a>trump has to be held to task for those things. Congressman, let's talk about this arlington stunt.<\/a> The u. S. Arm put <\/a>out a rare rebuke of trump's campaign confirming they knowingly violated the rules by filming there for campaign purposes <\/a>and abused a cemetery staffer.<\/a> Even when he tried to play the real president, he couldn't help himself. That's right, ayman. What a dramatic change from about a month ago when donald trump had put together a string of legal victories. He was doing well politically. Of course, we had the horrible assassination attempt <\/a>which he survived. There was a lot of goodwill around him or for him right after that in our country and he has really squandered that all away. Ever since he had his nominating speech at his convention, it has been all downhill for donald trump. He has been on defense every day. He has faced criticisms from people in his own party for his shiftiness on this abortion issue,<\/a> for the way he criticized vice president harris. You go to arlington cemetery, it's hard to imagine something would go wrong, but even there they managed to create controversy and overstep their bounds as if he was still president of the united states. He's getting criticism for it. Donald trump is it on a really bad streak. I don't see how he'll turn it around anytime soon. Time is running out. As the military said in their statement, 3,000 visits per year to arlington national cemetery, not a single incident until donald trump showed up at section 60. Ameshia cross,<\/a> carlos curbelo,<\/a> thank you. Coming up,<\/a> for years the u. S. Military sought to keep graphic images from iraq from public view, but journalists have brought them to life. 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What happened in the next several hours would spark one of the largest war crimes in u. S. History. For years the military worked to keep this from the public eye,<\/a> but thanks to an investigation from the new yorkers in the dark, the podcast, we have photos, proof, of the horror that unfolded 20 years ago. They are extremely graphic. The new yorker <\/a>published these photos with permission of the surviving family members <\/a>of the victims. In what would later be known as the haditha massacre,<\/a> the marines killed 24 innocent iraqi civilians, including women and children, the youngest victim a 3yearold girl, the oldest a 76yearold man. Four marines were charged with murder, charges that have since been dropped. Joining me now is the lead reporter <\/a>and host of the in the dark podcast.<\/a> Madeline, thank you for joining us today. One of the questions you set out to answer with this investigation was why no one has been punished for these crimes. Walk us through what you learned. What did you find out in your reporting and why has there been no accountability since that massacre? what we found in our reporting and we spent four years doing an exhaustive dive into this story, reviewed tens of thousands of documents, talked to hundreds of people and we found this was a case handled as all u. S. War crimes <\/a>are for the most part, in house,<\/a> and ultimately the u. S. Military despite substantial evidence opted to dismiss the charges against three e and result <\/a>in the final h against the squad leader <\/a>accept a plea deal <\/a>for a very low level charge,<\/a> neglect dereliction <\/a>of duty that carries no prison sentence. The lawyer told me it was the equivalent of a traffic ticket.<\/a> Talk to us about the process of having these photos released and the hoops you had to jump through. I know your team filed this freedom of information act <\/a>request i believe four years ago. What finally gave way for them to be released and what do you think is the ultimate public good <\/a>of releasing them? we filed the first foya in 2020 and wasn't really getting anywhere. We worked with a law firm <\/a>out of chicago, an amazing team led <\/a>by a man named matt topick <\/a>to sue the military to get this information, the prosecution records, all of it. We anticipated a problem. We knew that in the past the military had claimed as a reason to keep these photos secret that releasing the photos might traumatize the family members <\/a>of the people in the photos. We anticipated that concern from the military. We talked to family members <\/a>of the dead in iraq and asked them what do you think about having these photos made public or given to us rather as journalists? how do you feel about that? i talked to two men who lost family members <\/a>that day. They both told me they wanted our team to have these photos to examine them. Those two men did something really remarkable. They went house to house in haditha and brought a form that would release the photos to us to the other surviving family members <\/a>and explained our reporting, explained why we wanted the photos, and they collected a total of 17 signatures. We submitted those signatures and worked with iraqi researchers and reporters as well. The survivors wanted us to see the photos. We filed it in court and the military relented. In march we received the photos. Then we had a decision to make. Again, we wanted to involve the survivors, to publish or not to publish these photos. We decided to consult with the surviving family members. The photos on the new yorker's website were published with permission of the family members <\/a>of the people depicted in these photos. One of the stories of what happened in haditha is, of course, about the brutal killings that took place that day. Another story is how in the years that followed the surviving family members <\/a>felt like they were left out of this process, the prosecutions, left out of the story. The last thing we wanted to do in our handling of this really sensitive material was to do that again to these people who had been through so much. The families were overlooked, neglected, their stories never widely shared. You have brought light to that. We have now seen the photos of that. It won't bring their family members <\/a>back. Does it bring them any kind of accountability to have this spotlight on this story once again years after the incident or is that less likely now? in terms of what can happen now, the options are quite limited. The military only has jurisdiction over people in the military. All the people involved in this killing are now out of the military. The icc is not really an option. The icc does not try people in absence. The u. S. Government has not been willing to extradite its citizens to the hague. There is a possibility for the federal government to intervene, but that's very difficult and would require a lot of attention to legal details and seems relatively unlikely. What the survivors told me is they want their stories told. They want the truth out there. They want the public to know their family members <\/a>killed that day were not insurgents, were civilians, people like you and me living their lives only to have them ended by this squad of marines. This sheds a light on a very dark chapter in our country's history. Thank you for being so persistent over the years to get these photos published. Thank you. Thank you at home for making time for us this weekend. Make sure to catch ayman each saturday and sunday at 7:00 p. M. Eastern. Follow us on x <\/a>and instagram. Until we meet again, i'm ayman mohyeldin <\/a>in new york. Have a good night. 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