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MSNBC Dateline September 3, 2024

Happened. Professor, artist, mom. Murdered. A Primal Scream came out of me. She started crying very hard. Police question to ask, maybe too quick. Focused on ski from the very beginning. The husband always does it. What of the husband didnt . You dont find dna, blood, anything. Someone else the real killer . Im wondering what was this man capable of . Was very emotional for me. We kept waiting for them to figure out that they had it wrong. It was 2 July 2008. Early evening and a fine Old Town called prescott, arizona. The sun going down. That Air Cooling down to a fine evening. Here at the tells History Rodeo grounds, refugees from h the Summer Heat from phoenix settled into the stands to enjoy the annual exploits of the cowboys. The same time a few miles away on the edge of town, a woman named Carol Kennedy jogged along the wellworn path that the base of the granite mountain. Sometime after 7 00, turned into her big backyard on a street called Bridle Path. Trotted past the Stone Labyrinth she put here. Arrived at the Back Door the house she intended to inhabit for the rest of her natural days. Of course, Carol Kennedy had no idea that this was going to be her last day. No, it would not be natural at all. Its the biggest loss of my life to this day. Its profound. Its piercing. It is constant. Carol kennedy was in, as they say, a good place in her life. This is her friend Kathryn Morris. Carol was the epitome of kindness and living a life from a perspective of having an open heart and being loving. T before she became a close friend, Kathryn Morris was her student at Prescott College. She was well respected and admired. Her classes were always full. Difficult to get into. What was she like . She was magnetic and always searching for the truth. You gravitated to her. Charisma that pulled her students in . She was soft and inviting. I am Carol Kennedy and i live in prescott, arizona. You get a sense of her personality in this video in which she was asked about her passion for teaching. Such a gift that you feel like you can give seeds to this first road in the turnaround and give it to the rows behind them. In fact, she shared those passion with the manner was her husband for 25 years. The love of her life. Steven democker. They were crazy for Each Other. T carol was easy to love. She was immediately a sister to all of us. All of them, Democker Family. High achievers, all of them. Sharon is a doctor. Theres not a weak link in this group. Carol and steve got married and his Parents Backyard near rochester, new york. Outdoor wedding for a couple who loved adventure. Steve was the one that started the Adventuring Side of things. First there was hiking, skiing, mountain climbing, kayaking. They moved around a bit as people do when wound. Eventually and prescott which proved to be the perfect place to raise her two bright, attractive daughters. They are amazing. Its a testimony to the parents that steve and carol were. The girls were their first priority. Steve became the dean of Prescott College and carol taught psychology there. But, life is a river. Never the same for long. Steve decided to change careers. Left the academic life and became a financial adviser. Very successful too. There were other changes more difficult ones. Nobody knows all of what goes inside a marriage but i c did talk to both about it. They both, their lives were moving in different directions. Much as they still cared for Each Other, there were infidelities. Steve had an affair. It was a mixture of things. It was absolutely. Time for a fresh start. Carol had left teaching and was focused on a new passion. Painting. Her art was developing and she was doing well with that. She remained close to her daughters but she stayed close to steve. And, in fact, a few days before that july morning, the family went to the airport together to see katie off enough study abroad trip. Charlotte staying with her dad. Nothing ahead but the long easy days of summer. As she jogged the last few yards to her house, carol passed by the Guest Cottage she had rented out as a way to pay her expenses. 50 feet away from the main house and it has a Kitchen And Bath and shower and rooms. It was comforting in a way to have someone else with her on the property out here on the edge of things. The Mans Name was jim knapp, divorced father. A bit of an idot them said but easy to get along with. Thats what carol told her friends. The man didnt cause any trouble. Jim knapp was a free spirited Sue For Dude from hawaii, hang 10. She took him in as a border . That was my understanding that he had been diagnosed with cancer. I think think cosupported Each Other. They were painful times they were both experiencing. Once inside the house, carol put together a salad for dinner and answered a few emails and settled in for the evening. She picked up the phone and called her Mother Ruth who lived in nashville, tennessee. She was an amazing daughter who called her mom every day. Ruth was 83 on the call, nightly ritual, and then 8 00 p. M. The oddest thing. The line went dead. Not before ruth heard something. Rather terrifying. Ruth tried to call back. Nothing. There she was so far away and now worried. She decided to call the Sheriffs Department whose headquarters is in downtown prescott. Sheriffs office. How can i help you . My name is Ruth Kennedy and im calling from nashville, tennessee. I was on the phone with my daughter and she screamed and said oh, no, and the phone is gone dead. Vlpzve is or anything you can do . Can you go check . Oh, those two Words Plate back in ruths worried brain. So began a mystery. Is story to unbelievable even for some of its most intimate participants. 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She calls me every three every night. I am 83 and she worries about me. We were having our conversation and she screamed and said oh, no. I havent been able to get her to answer the phone back. Im afraid something bad has happened. Okay, ruth. Who does your daughter live with . She is recently divorced. She is alone. What is your Daughters Name . Carol kennedy. Did you notice she said recently divorced . Do you believe theres any reason she would be concerned of her exhusband came back . I dont think so. No. I dont think its that kind of a thing. Okay. Family and friends knew even after their Divorce Stephen Carol still cared deeply for Each Other and there two daughters. That connection between the two of them . They took time to nurture their relationship and to spend time together and to do things that they enjoyed doing and bringing Up Katie and charlotte. This was hardly the time for reminiscing. Carol wasnt answering her Phone And Ruth was frantic. We will send somebody out to check on her and we will have them give you a call. You can imagine what that was like for ruth. So far away waiting for a Phone Call. She knew carol had a border, that out be guy jim knapp, but ruth didnt know how to reach him. Steve would know what to do so she called him on his Cell Phone and when he did not pick up, she left him this message. Steve, this is Ruth Kennedy in nashville. I was on the phone with carol and she screamed and said oh, no. I cant get her to answer me back. I wondered if you could see what you can find out and let me know something. By that time it was dark. Stephen Carols Daughter charlotte and her then Boyfriend Jacob where that moment at Steves House waiting for him to come home. Jacob was actually living there, but he tried to sort out a few issues with this parents. What was your relationship like with him . What was charlottes relationship like . Charlotte was close with steve. He offered me to stay with him before. Tried to figure something out to make my situation with my parents better. I had a lot of respect for him. Definitely looked up to him. That evening, steve, avid outdoorsman, was overdue from a Mountain Bike ride. It was getting late. Really late, actually. That was very odd. He would usually, we would have dinner pretty late. Normal to have dinner at 9 00, 9 30. When he hadnt come home around that time is when we started getting a little worried. Maybe he had crashed or gotten hurt or something. What did you do . Charlotte called his Cell Phone and no answer. Did it go straight to voicemail . Yeah. Hungry for dinner they went to the store for groceries. It was probably around 10 00, 10 15 is when we got a call from steve and he told us he got a Flat Tire and he was at the Workout Center and was going to finish his work out. What . His phone had been off . He said his phone had died. While he was having a Flat Tire . Rate. Steve was in the shower when they arrived back at the condo. They made a quick dinner. Vegetable stirfry. It was late but then again it was a mild summer night. Not a care in the world it seemed. No idea what was happening and the house on Bridle Path. Coming up. Im getting worried about you. Panic begins. A daughter rushes to the scene. What would she find . She immediately broke down. Started crying. Ted crying. Its mesmerizing. Cleaning that greasy mess with dawn platinum. And not even scrubbing. Well, fluff my feathers. [giggle] it cuts through the slimy stuff better than their old dish soap, removing 99 of grease. Thats why only dawn is trusted to save wildlife. Alright, sandworms out of the basement and the furnacehats why has been exorcised. Ly dawn another progressive Home And Auto bundle fully protected from the unexpected. Beetlejuice caused quite a ruckus, huh. Jamie dont say his name. Beetlejuice . Saying his name three times is how you summon him. Riiight. What if i say other words in between . Does that restart it . Dont overthink it or what if i broke it up into two parts like someone said whats your favorite Bug Beetle whats your favorite Morning Beverage . J j [ Body Thuds ] youre welcome. Beetlejuice beetlejuice, in theaters september 6th. July 2, 2008, about 11 00 pm. July 2, 2008, 11 00 p. M. Steven democker his Daughter Charlotte and her boyfriend were eating a late dinner. He had taken a few more bites of his dinner and at that Point Charlotte and i were close to being finished. Thats when steve told him about a strange Phone Call he received from Carols Brother who told him that Carols Home Phone cut out when she was talking to her Mother And Nobody could reach her. How did charlotte react to that . She was worried. Charlotte said she texted her mom earlier in the Evening And Everything seemed fine. Then, she called her mother. Voicemail. Hi, charlotte. Im worried something happened. She is worried about you. Im getting worried about you. If you want to text me back or call me or something, let me know everything is okay. Panic bubbled up in charlottes brain. She and her boyfriend called local hospitals but nobody named Carol Kennedy had been admitted to any of them. This is nighttime. Is there thought of going over there . We talked about a. Steve was concerned but as her exhusband he had another concern. Steve expressed he was uncomfortable with it because that finalize their divorce and he didnt feel comfortable invading her privacy if she was with another guy on a Date Or Something like that. We decided that charlotte and i would go out there and check on her. Just kind of see if anything was out of the ordinary. It was around midnight when they drove out to Carols Place on Bridle Path. Having promised to call steve the minute they got there. Do you remember what it was like driving over there . Very quiet. I dont think we spoke very much at all on the way there. Because . Just nervous. You know. A little anxious. Do you remember pulling up to the house . Very vividly. At that Moment Charlotte was on the phone with her dad. As soon as we got to the top of the hill, you could see the sheriffs lights and all the cars. Just the worst thoughts are going through my mind at that point. It hits you here before it hit you here. You feel it in your stomach first, for sure. We got closer to the car We Saw Caution Tape and people running around and everything. We had pulled up and stopped on the side of the road and two sheriffs walked up on either side of the car. We rolled the windows down. Did the Person Know who you were . I think he asked and charlotte said this is my moms house. I am sorry to tell you but carol passed away. At that point, she immediately broke down. Started crying pretty hard. Charlotte dropped the phone. Fell to pieces. Were you frightened . Scared . A little bit. More so for charlotte. Even now i dont think i could figure out how to console someone in that situation. Maybe steve would know what to do. I picked up the Cell Phone and told steve what happened. He needed to come down and be with charlotte. And steve . He was taken aback. Almost disbelief like he didnt know what to say really. You could hear him choking back tears a little bit. That was hard. Right away steve rushed over to Carols House. A detective had a recorder rolling. You could see here Charlotte Sobbing and steve talking. Someone else talked to the detectives too. A man who showed up minutes after the deputies got there. Jim knapp, carols border. A man living in the guest house. And jim knapp had a lot to say about carol, but he didnt stop there. Coming up. It was a gruesome scene. Blood drops, Shoe Prints. The clues tell a story. That tells you something about how she died. She certainly died a violent death. And the man in the Guest Cottage has a story too. When you host, your bathroom can feel like a revolving door. Keep things fresh with febreze small spaces. 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