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Switch to reliable Comcast Business Internet with security and get started for 49. 99 a month. Plus ask how to get up to a 500 prepaid card. Call today good day, im Ali Vitali on this very busy Labor Day as Joe Biden lends the Bully Pulpit and his credentials to his Vice President Kamala Harris. This show of support coming after a Situation Room Meeting this morning following the deaths of six In Gaza including Hersh Goldberg Pollin. But Today Union joe returns to his Labor Day stomp grounds. Celebrating unions in pittsburgh at the first joint Campaign Deal with paris since he choose to leave the race. And it marks a key date. Considered the start of the fourth quarter of the president ial campaign season. When most voters start to tune in. But with harris, a recent walkon, democrats see Union Members as a mobilize force in blue states like pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan and the president is expected to visit those states this week. The Harris Campaign is hitting all three in one day with harris starting this hour in detroit. She takes stage in about 30 minute with two of the most prominent labor leaders, sean Fain And Randy wine garden, the head of the federation of teachers. And that is where we begin today with Maura Barrett who is in detroit and Mike Memoli out in pittsburgh. Maura, first to you. How is harriss appeal to Union Workers different or the same as President Biden. Vice president harris is looking to harness on to the strength as what you referred to as union joes power. Were hearing from the campaign that theyre looking to remind Voters Today as they put that theyre administration was the most prounion in history and a white House Official laying out the work that the harris had done on Bargaining Rights and organizing for federal workers and that is what were going to see Vice President harris lean into today. She posted on Social Media honoring those that worked in labe and that she will stand with the middle class and when they are strong, america is strong. Vice president ial candidate Tim Walz posting a similar message as a former educator himself, that emphasis on their relationship with the middle class and how they could bring that to american voters. Here at the event here in detroit, you mentioned were expecting to hear from the president of the American Federation Of Teachers and theyre announcing a massive Bus Tour in support of getting out the vote for the harriswalz campaign. Focusing on investing in good public education and affordable Housing And Fighting Price Gouging all things people brought up to me today in addition to the work on reproductive rights as she makes her first stop of a big blitz across the Labor Day holiday. Got to be a lot of Bus Tours if the last 60 someodd days. I know this is a tradition for President Biden, where he did Test Runs for the 2016 and 2020 Campaign But Today hes there in a completely new Role Tumping for his Vice President. What is that going to look like . Reporter well good to be with you. I have a feeling you would rather be out here with us on the came trail. Yeah. But someone has to hold down the fort back home. And you think about the history President Biden has with this pittsburgh Labor Day parade alone. It was 2008, i was here when he was supposed to march in the parade. The very first Solo Campaign Eent he was holding as a member of the new obamabiden ticket. And then in 2015, about whether he would run in 2016, he was here to chants of run, joe, Run And Ahe came back with Hillary Clintons pick to vouch for his Union Bonafides and then in 2018 he came here as a Test Run of his 2020 candidacy. So we see him here today in a different Test Runch this is the beginning of the final campaign for President Biden as hes going to make the case not just for Kamala Harris to succeed him as President Of The United States but delay the groundwork for his legacy and this is an important role for the Harris Campaign, because you talked about it. The core political constituency, you talk about black voters an the middle Class Family like his in scranton an the other pillar is the Union Vote and that is where the Harris Campaign thinks he could be an important player in the campaign and that is why hell be here today and in michigan and wisconsin later this week. And when there was a lot of calls for President Biden to get out of the 2024 race, some of those calls for him to remain in the race or to support him if he was to stay in the race were strongest among Union Voters. So, youll see self of the passing of the torch moments when we sue them on stage here. I think the role that biden has plays is a validator for someone else, for Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in 2016 and well see it now debuting today for Kamala Harris. Certainly that role of a validator is one that is going to feature heavily in the Legacy Phase that were entering and i know youre tracking so closely. Maura and mike, thank you so much. And joining me now, Sewn Ore Political analyst Matthew Dowd and a chief strategist for the bushcheney campaign. And don calaway, host of the Caucus Room Podcast and founder of the Voter Protection Action fund. There is no major Post Convention Polling bump for harris. Strategists are okay with that given the fact that they want this to look like a 50 50 race and they want to spin it their the underdog. But harriss lead over trump is outside of the margin of error, only one if ten u. S. Workers are Union Members but that ratio shrinks to one to five in Swing States so how crucial are Union Voters to get out the vote as part of the harriswalz coalition, don . Theyre crucial. Theyre not just voters but Union Voters tend to be among the more politically engaged. If you have boots on an ground and knocking on doors and making Phone Calls and the map is different than Joe Biden is that it doesnt rely on the Upper Midwest and Blue Wall. Shes looking also at the sun belt. So nevada, arizona, North Carolina and georgia, and you cannot concede the Blue Wall which is pretty much on a democratic constituency, determined by how active Labor Unions decide to be, both public and private sector. So shes not conceding that territory and wee see that where shes spending her Labor Day. And you make a good point, and i want to come back to the map while we stay on this idea of Union Members and business leaders, matthew. Where is the difference there when it comes to how theyre reacting to vp harris at the top of ticket and where in your view do her proworker policies different from bidens or dont they . Is she just carrying that mantel . Second question first, i dont think is much difference between the two. I think it is a continuation of what Joe Biden has pushed for his entire life, the support of unions an the strength of workers and the raising the minimum wage and a living wage, all of those the Vice President supports in this. So, i think that is where she is on that and that is the benefit. The interesting thing about the coalition shes attempting to build and building in this, is she has both Union Workers and workers behind her, but most of the Fortune 500 is very reluctant to support Donald Trump in this. Most of the Business Community realized that a stable leadership is better for them. So they could have a coalition that is probusiness, because they want Stability And Prowork simultaneously. And Donald Trump has rich folks from very wealthy folks that think theyll get a benefit from his presidency. Ant we saw some of the folks trying to find a different avenue in the gop primary, whether it was briefly with tim Scott Or Nikki haley and some of them ended up coming back home to trump. I think one of the things that the Trump Campaign is trying to do is ensure that some of the Union Workers will come home to them again. Theyve had success in 2016 and in 2020 in some of the critical states so could they again if 2024 . Well, this is a race that is decided by three or four points so any margin on any community of any subset of the electorate is important. So it is not only Union Members, it is if Donald Trump tries to shave off 3 or 4 , that could have a profound effect in a race that is only decided about i a few thousand votes spread across 7 states as don said. Yes, it is important. Although i think she has much better benefit than Joe Biden did because she has an Enthusiasm Advantage over Donald Trump right now that Joe Biden didnt have and that is true even among Union Workers. It is a fascinating, this dynamic around carrying enthusiasm. But it is a question of speaking to issues that voters say are important to them. Among them are reproductive Health Care. Trump is vocal about sending it back to state and he was saying that the Florida Sixweek Ban was too short and then said that he would uphold that ban in florida and signals his support to legalize recreational marijuana in florida. Conservators oppose both of those positions. So how does the Trump Team Bridge that gap and do they need to . They need to bridge the gap. But ive been trying to make this point for some time now. Over the last ten years Donald Trump has not been held to a standard where hes had to articulate positions and as a result he has Campaign Staff who dont know how to pivot, who dont know how to cobble together substantive positions that you need to pull together the loosely based coalition to win a president ial election. Donald trump thus far in his career has been allowed to name call and really engage in a lot of bombastic behavior to win elections but with most shticks, the jig is up and wheeze seen that manifest with his Abortion Position whether hes in a whirlwind and didnt know what to did and now it is in the Marijuana Stuff but hes not had to had substantive and executable ideas and he cant do so in the serious way in the next 60 days. I think ive seen this on abortion with trump back from the time that i was covering him in 2015 and he got over his skis at one point where he was saying that he thought women shed be punished for accessing abortion. That was way out of step with where the Party Platform was even at that time. So now that you see him trying to have it a few different ways on this position, is proud to overturn roe and now sending it back to state and muddying water around ivf. What does that tell you about the importance of this issue and the way that the Trump Team is thinking about it. Well, this is the problem to add on what don just said, this is a problem when youre not a principaled conservative with a substantive stand on certain issues when you know how to speak to them and know how to relate to them when they become complicated. As you know, ali, Donald Trump has had multiple stance on choice. Hes been prochoice and all of different things. He doesnt have a Principaled Stand on this. So when you have a series of backers that join a cult of personality with someone who has no principled stance, ub get in this free for all and Word Salad that Donald Trump speaks on and has to retract as weve seen in the last 72 hours because he doesnt know how and hasnt thought about this issue in a way that is able to be substantive and principaled. And the reality here too, issine though the rhetorical stance may be shifting and changing over the years there is a body of work and a Track Record in terms of the kind of justices that he put on the court and the way in which that had major implications across the country on this issue of reproductive Health Care access. Thank you for spending part of your monday with us. And were keeping our eyes right now on detroit where harris is due to speak at any moment now. Well bring you those remarks as soon as they get underway. Plus what Donald Trump is now saying about Election Interference. 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And just a few hours ago, in jerusalem, we heard from the parents of one of the six hostages, 23yearold american israeli israeli herch goldberg pollin. I have received messages. Im sorry. Hersh, we failed you. We all failed you. You would not have failed you. You would have pushed harder for you would have justice. You would have worked to understand the other to bridge hersh, differences. Hersh, for all of these months, i have been in such torment and worry about you for every single millisecond of every single day now i no longer have to worry about you. I know you are no longer in danger. You are with you are with beautiful honor. Le show you around. Le hopefully meet my grandparents who will adore you. I hope this is a turning point. If there was something that we could have done to save you and we didnt do it, i beg your forgiveness, we tried so hard. Finally, my sweet boy, finally, finally, finally youre free. Nbc News Correspondent Matt Bradley joins us live from Tel Aviv and correspondent monica alba. Matt, im starting with matt, im starting with that was powerful and that was powerful and heartbreaking, hearing those words from the parents of herch goldberg pollin, what does it tell you that hes giving remarks after the massive protests . Reporter i mean, were Hearing Reporter i mean, were hearing from the parents and these are parents that weve heard from before and from them time and time again. Theyve been incredible ambassadors to those hostages who remain in the Gaza Strip. But what their words meant today were a reflection of what was i hearing on Streets Last Night and what i think were hearing tonight on The Streets from those Hundreds Of Thousands of people who have come out to demand that the government do more. It is a taupe shrouded in grief and pointed in politics and that is something that well hear again and again. Something that Benjamin Netanyahu cant ignore for too much longer. It has been 24 Hours Sin last protests and 48 Hours Since the discovery of those six hostages who were killed including herch. So, this is something that hes going to have to address. The fact that he hasnt so far is rather telling. The fact that weve only heard from israeli media saying there have been Cabinet Meetings that involved shouting and opponents of his within the cabinet including the Defense Minister accused him of selling out those hostages and hes this means that his this means that his back is up against the wall. But it is hard to see a man like Benjamin Netanyahu conceding, stepping down. Clearly hes not going to do that or conceding on these negotiations finally for some sort of hostage deal. He has been so defiant and intransgent up until now and as we reach almost the year mark, since October 7th, i just dont see him necessarily bending the knee to Hundreds Of Thousands of dont forget people. Dont forget that last year around this time, before October 7th, this whole country was rock with properties. We were using the word undes presented there. Against his judicial reforms he didnt back down at that time and i wonder if hell do it now. Were about to hear from him. He really is up against it and this expression of rage and grief, like i said, is hard for him to ignore. Matt, youre so right to lay out the landscape of both pre and post October 7th and the way the protests have changed but are the same in some ways. Monica were looking at the role that President Biden and the united states has played. What more could you tell us about that. President biden has been the most cautiously optimistic, saying things like Hope Springs Eternal and hoping there could be some agreement to a deal that would see a ceasefire and the release of the remaining but that comment hostages. But that comment that he made when asked about i a reporter when he felt that netanyahu was doing enough to secure that Deal And Agreement and when the president said no, that raised a lot of eyebrows in israel. Israeli officials responded quickly and now a u. S. Official is telling me that the president does stand by that statement but is commanding on it to say that the president and the biden administration believes and know that it is hamas that killed them and they are responsible for that and they will pay in the words of the president for their crimes. But at the same time, he is trying to apply this urgency to the israeli government to try to advance negotiations. So theyre trying to put that context to his comment this morning that was a simple word that communicated so much in terms of their relationship and where the president views what prime Ministers Role has been in all of this so far. But also, ali, this morning, the president and Vice President met with the top national Security Team to talk about the next steps forward. And before all of this happened, over the weekend, there was this framework that was sort of going towards perhaps a conclusion with the key negotiators and mediators and they felt like it was in a decent place and then when everything happened this weekend, that adds even more urgency to the situation. Im told they may update the framework and present that as a final best offer, take it or leave it deal to israel and hamas via the mediators in egypt and in qatar as this next step. So that is some of what was discussed this morning. It is not exactly clear when that might happen. But certainly the death of the host anls including that american is something that has only fueled the need to do this quickly even though at times through the course of the negotiations things have moved at a glacial pace. But theyre hoping for progress despite all of the politicals that is dragging this down as well as what you were monica discussing. Monica and matt. Stay there because were going to go now live to prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who is speaking in the aftermath of the events of this weekend. I want to bring us into that right now. Translator right and left jews and nonjews, weve discovered this not just on October 7th. This is something that weve discovered throughout the war. But even more so weve discovered it in the terrible massacre in the Cold Blooded Execution of six of our Hostages Carmel Carmel gaut, ed shallme, Hersh Goldberg Pollin, amoxie russy, and first Staff Sergeant Arid anino, may got avenge their over the past deaths. Over the past day, ive spoken on the phone with several of their family members. And while we were talking, i was looking at the pictures. The images of these pure souls and my heart, the heart of this entire nation was shattered to you can see you can see the light that they emanate, you see the hope and the ability, you hear theyre amazing life stories. And all of this light got put out at once, all of this purity Got Cut Off by the brutal hand of monsters. I said to the families, and i reiterate this, this evening, i am asking for your forgiveness that we did not manage to bring them back still alive. We were close. But we didnt achieve it. And i would also like to once again repeat this evening, israel will not stand silently doing nothing, facing this hamas Will Hamas will pay very heavy price for that in the war against the Axis Of Evil and in this specific war, against hamas and also in the north we have set four goals to eradicate hamas, to bring back all of our hostages, to make sure that gaza no longer poses a threat over israel, and to allow the people of israel living in the North Return home safely, three of these goals go through one and and that is the philadelphia it is the it is the conduit of Oxygen And Armament for hamas and i would like to devote several minutes to explain the meaning of the Philadelphia Corridor. What is it . What is its significance for security and importance and guarantee that we wont face another October 7th and another October 7th and another October 7th just as hamas promised that it would do. So first of all, i would like to show you what we had over the until we years. Until we pulled out of there. This is a state of israel. This is egypt and you can see that the Gaza Strip here. The distance from Tel Aviv isnt that big from Bell Cheffa and the area surrounding the border, there is hardly any distance. But we will an international border going from the sea all the way down to a lot. This was israels international if you could border. If you could blow it up a bit. So if we see this now, as we zoom in, you could see that throughout these borders, the maritime border is under our control but the land, the Ground Border Isnt under our control. The kibbutz and the shall Om Passage and here are the Philadelphia Crossing and the corridor all of them under our and this is control. And this is what happened when we pulled out of gaza. This is what happened. The borders remained in our hands, they tried breaking through, the maritime border, remember some other events and flotillas, but we weathered so nothing all. So nothing could come wherever we were in control of the but once borders. But once we pulled out, we pulled out of the Philadelphia Corridor, see, this is the border, the border between the Gaza Strip and egypt. And once we pulled out of there, there was to obstacle left from massive infusion of weapons and means of warfare and machines for Manufacturing Weapons and machines for digging tunnels. All of that under the auspices of iran and the funding of iran. So all of these things that you see here came into gaza, so gaza became this huge threat over israel because there was no barrier here. There was nothing stopping them. This is what happened. So now the question remains and people ask me this question, well, if it was that bad, right, how come you didnt conquer it . Why didnt you conquer it . And the answer is that we constantly tried to harm, to attack of course. Immediately after the disengagement, this armament and of course even more so under the time when most was in regime and power but also with mubarak as but well. But we fought them and there were a series of wars or i led three i led three of these campaigns, pillar of Offense And Guardian of walls and protective edge. We fought it and then this, of course, led to a situation in which we killed off A Thousand of terrorists and senior ranking commanders, the chief of general hamas, but there wasnt national or international legitimacy to go inside of gaza to conquer it, to reconquer the Rafah Crossing and the Philadelphia Corridor. There wasnt any national consensus or international agreement to that. Now the important of Philadelphia Corridor, it is not something im saying now, i said that 20 years ago. Declared the disengagement at The End of 2003 and then a few months later on march 26th, 2004, i had described what are my minimal demands and i said my first condition is control over all of the crossings into the Gaza Strip and from it, from the land, from the air and from the sea. The the Philadelphia Corridor would separate between the Gaza Strip and egypt will not be evacuated if israel Seeds Control over it. That is what i said back then. Then gaza will turn into a Terrorist Enclave and when i resigned from the government and they were going for the Disengagement And Approach jewish settlements and communities, i handed in my resignation later and i said to the Prime Minister at the time, i said, as a minimum, i demanded that we keep the Philadelphia Corridor in our hands. So it is not something new. It was obvious that if we dont have this corridor, they will arm themselves, they will create a monster. The Axis Of Evil needs the Philadelphia Corridor and for the same reason we must have control over the philadelphia hamas corridor. Hamas insists for exactly this reason that we wont be there and it is exactly for this reason that i insist that we do stay there. The presence in the Philadelphia Corridor, first of all, a political strategic issue. We must fix ate the fact that were there and people say to me, okay, so we pull out, what is the big deal. Well pull out for 42 days and then well come back and i said okay, yeah, ive heard that once that is before. That is what people said when we pulled out of lebanon, they said with the first rocket, with the first missile, we will reenter and conquer this territory. And we will have massive international support from that. Well thousands of missiles have been launched from lebanon and there was no international support for that and then when we pulled out of the Gaza Strip, when we just did this now, they said, what is the problem with the first rocket. Well go in. Well, the first rocket that is smuggled beneath the ground or launched above the ground will go in. Well 20 years have pass and we didnt go in. So all of these people say it is not such a problem to go in. Well there is a big time. It is definitely. Big time. It is not easy to do that. And it is not just the military tactical question, it is a question of tremendous diplomatic international pressure exerted by the whole world if we pull out, then there will be pressure not not to return. And im not to return. And im telling you, how difficult it was for us to i i weathered that pressure. To go into rafah. And look at the price we paid. There was massive pressure, the icc, they brought it up a day or two before the decision, they knew we were about to decide that there was a Weapons Embargo that is continuing to spread. We paid with the lives of our soldiers. But that is nothing but that is nothing in comparison to what comparison to what we will be targeted with if we pull out and everybody understands the important of this. But they dont support us. They want us to end the war. This is what they all want to end the to end the and this and this corridor is different from all other places from all other corridors. It is central. It will determine our entire it has tremendous it has tremendous importance for us. But the world but the world that wants to see the war come to an end, that the last thing in the world they want us to do, is to go in and this there. And this will be tremendous pressure exerts in the Security Council and im not going to give anybody ideas. But why, why should we walk into this trap . So they say that it is possible, well, i say that this will not bring back the hostages, on the on the the contrary. On the the contrary, i would like to tell that you when we entered philadelphia, it was only then that we started feeling a change for long months after the first hostage deal, hamas wouldnt budge. They kept insisting, you have to declare an advance about The End of the war. You have to commit to pull out of Gaza Strip and what that actually meant was that they could go back to being in control of gaza and the first crack and of course this doesnt lead to any deal or the release of any hostages and the first crack appeared once we entered rafah and took over the Philadelphia Corridor and the Rafah Crossing because that is their oxygen tube. So then things started to then change. Then they kind of withdrew when they thought that perhaps iran what come to their rescue or and now theyre hezbollah. And now theyre hoping that international pressure or domestic pressure would save but the them. But the fact is that the first Effective Change We Saw towards a deal, what made a deal possible was once we seize the Philadelphia Corridor and when you leave it, you will walk out and you dont come back. Ive already said that were not pulling out for 42 days because were going to stay there for that is how years. That is how i was quoted. This is not what i said. But if we believe, we probably wouldnt be able to return for 42 years. We left and we couldnt return for 20 years and after we sacrifice and then fought and now we have them by their necks. We caught them bir think throats and this could bring back the hostages and that also, by the way, prevents Smuggling Hostages above the ground, they could tell they could take them during the 42 days. And take them into sinai, it is a few meters from there to smuggle them. They cross the border and that is it. And they disappear. They could all of a sudden Pop Up in iran. Or yemen. Absolutely not. So, after we manage to get all of that, were not going to forego this. Were not going to step into this terrible trap, which is not a military tactical question, it is a diplomatic strategic issue and in just like some of the Security Elements in israel said we could pull out of the Gaza Strip and no problem. We could pull out of lebanon and we will return immediately. I think that after October 7th, weve learned to be a bit more cautious in our assessments and to take into account all of the elements of the picture. Now, regretfully, even though we are fully committed and i am fully committed to a deal to advance a hostage deal, unfortunately we havent seen any similar response from hamas. We have agreed to the outline presented by President Biden on may 31st. We agreed to what they call or refer to as the final Bridging Proposal on august 16th. We agreed to all of that. But hamas refused to be the first one and then then refuse the the second one. He said Yesterday Withdrawal from the entire Gaza Strip and end to the war, we in leave us in government. That is their position. They havent budgeted. Like i say, they budgeted a little bit but they think that they identify a certain weakness on our side or if there is some pressure that could break us, they immediately bounce back. That is why were not going to pull out. The importance of the Philadelphia Corridor is it is crucial for cardinal. It is crucial for bringing back the hostages and to also ensure that hamas is crushed and that gaza will not resume to being a threat on israel. So this is why we made it clear this is our position. But from amongst us, we started Hearing Voices from inside the cabinet, ministers in the government, and they said no problem, we can pull out even though weve already decided not to pull out. So, this is why i had to bring it officially to the cabinet for a vote and to anchor this and to make it clear there are certain things we wouldnt com i want to on. I want to clarify, im flexible. Im flexible wherever i can be i do not insist where i could show flexibility but im not flexible on places i do not insist where i could show flexibility but im not flexible on places where i must insist and we must all insist other wise we have a terrible disaster like what happened. The Axis Of Evil needs the Philadelphia Corridor, the Philadelphia Access and we need to hold onto it. And that is why after we received, we agreed and cabinet, the resolution was passed, i was i was stunned. I was simply stunned. Because i heard from amongst us that some people are saying that we can pull out. But when was that said . After they had murdered six of our hostages in cold blood. What kind of a message does this send to hamas . What kind of a message does this Murder Send . Murder hostages and youll get concessions in return. Im saying that it is completely legitimate in discussions every Minister Can must voice her or her opinion. Anybody who knows a little bit about these discussions, everybody knows the truth. I encourage everyone to speak their mind. I dont block anyone. I dont prevent anyone from speaking their mind on the contrary but once a decision is reached, it is binding. Once a decision is reached, it is binding for everyone and the message that we are G Weve been listening to weve been listening to israeli Prime Minister israeli prime Minister Netanyahu live in netanyahu live in jerusal speaking there and speaking there and at that point this evening. Of course, for us this afternoon in the aftermath of seeing hostages killed by hamas. He said there was a massacre and a Cold Blooded Execution vowing that hamas will pay a hea i want price. I want to bring in again Matt Bradley and Nbc Correspondent in Tel Aviv to talk about us with the context within which hes remarks are being made and then also, matt, some people might have been wondering why they were being given a bit of a Geography Lesson there. But to me, it felt like netanyahu was very much negotiating that Ceasefire Deal or one of the sticking points around it, the Philadelphia Corridor, live and in public. Explaining why this is something that one of the things that has prevented a deal from being struck so far. What struck you first . Reporter yeah, i mean, it looks like a man under pressure. It looks like hes trying to convince himself from a nationwide Audience Waiting to hear from him for the past 48 i told hours. I told you before this speech started that i wasnt expecting netanyahu to concede or back down in the face of public i was still pressure. I was still very surprised by the ton that we just heard. We saw at the very first, the very top, only about 30 seconds of conciliatory speech. Talking about the lives that were lost. About the promising young souls who were murdered by hamas in those tunnels. But then the tone switched very, very dramatically, as you saw, to bringing up something that almost felt like a nonsec and if witter. And if you were watching, you get a good elect on what that was because he delivered it with a map. He had propped. He took that sharp Hand Break Turn from talking about the lives that were lost in poignant terms and how hamas would pay a heavy price to lecturing the israeli public who are out in The Street in a i dont want to use that word likely, unprecedented numbers but they do feel unprecedented. Lecturing them on why he is sticking to this one particular part of this wider negotiation around freeing these hostages. He didnt give it an introduction or explain why he was devilling into the Philadelphia Corridor. Though everybody in the audience would certainly know, he went into history about why this wasnt new. About how he had discussed this before under previous political leaders and how this was giving oxygen to hamas in the Gaza Strip and how they were allowed to smuggle weapons over the Philadelphia Corridor. And at The End, and his tone, and still talking and lecturing. It is not going to placate a public who are out in The Street, not just demanding that the hostages come home, but demanding that he resign. Certainly a defiant posture from the israeli leader. Exactly as you predicted. Matt, my friend, thank you for sticking around for us and giving us that context. And joining us now, aaron david miller, Senior Fellow at Carnegie Endowment for international peace. So first your reaction to what we heard from the did anything he said did anything he said you or was this you or was this exactly as what you thought you might hear from him in the aftermath of the last 48 hours there . You know, this was a dramatic presence with props and hes done this before on the issue of iran and the nuclear aspirations before the u. N. Several years ago. This was a selfrationalization but reaffirming and making it clear that Benjamin Netanyahu, despite the pressure from Th Israeli Public and he talked about some amongst us have doubts and i think it makes unmistakablely unmistakablely clear to me that in terms of the Prime Ministers timetable for signing any deal, even a phase one deal which would result in a sixweek ceasefire, limited exchange. Hostages for a number of Palestinian Prisoners and he intends to remain on the Philadelphia Corridor. He didnt get to the other piece of the real estate, the corridor that bisects Gaza East to west. So i think it is a message to the administration, if their considering putting a final proposal on the table, and that proposal does not address what he believes to be his security requirements, with regard to Philadelphia Corridor, that there is not going to be a deal. And if you combine that with yesterdays murder, willful execution, a day ago, thursday or friday, is when it happened and including one american by hamas, is both sides getting this done and this leaves the Administration And Everyone else in a sort of culdesac with no ea that is definitely right. Especially when that is definitely right. Especially when you look at the way that President Biden spoke about this this morning and i want to talk about the u. S. Role but first, here. But first, if you could just remind us, about the role of these two corridors that you bring up and the Philadelphia Corridor of course, The One that netanyahu spent so much Type And Presentation on. I know this might seem in the weeds and it might seem like a small detail, but this is one of the key sticking points that have been hard to navigate for those who are trying to put together this Ceasefire Deal that would also include return of the hostages. Can you explain why there is so much focus put here by netanyahu and by negotiators. Well as an objective matter, the Philadelphia Corridor is it is important. It is 14 kilometers long. It separates egypt from gaza. A hundred meters or so wide. And in 2007, when hamas took over the Gaza Strip from the palestinian authority, arrangems that the israelis and the europeans have worked out for monitoring that particular corridor came to an end. There is no doubt it provides as did the Rafah Crossing aboveboard a pathway for smuggling of all kinds of Contra Band and It Led to the hamas but the military. But the reality here is that governing of our choosing and the Defense Ministers position and i think the israeli security, the Israel Security Massad and the Israeli Defense Forces believe that you can in effect, if you make a deal to return hostages, return to the Philadelphia Corridor, or work out arrangements including technical Monitoring And Building walls of both above and below ground that would in affect stop the smuggles to which the Prime Minister refers. So i guess, and i laid it out, you could have the Philadelphia Corridor or you could have the hostages and that is the central it is question. It is not that the Philadelphia Corridor isnt important. But the question is, right now. What is the priority . Israelis could always return to their campaign as they will. And dismantling the remainder of hamass military infrastructure. But the hostages are diminishing, and every day that goes by, their situation becomes dire as we saw in what the idf the discovered. The corridor bisects Gaza East and west and named for an israeli settlement. Israelis want con kroll because they believe that they could stop or monitor the flow of armed palestinians from southern and Central Gaza where most of the palestinian population having been relocated now yeah. Resides. Yeah. Again, it is the judgment and the security at least not in my objective assessment, that there are other meansassessment, thate are other means redeeming both the corridor and the Philadelphia Corridor. Though It Sounds right now, based on the polls, the israeli public, returning the hostages is the greater priority. And certainly, aaron, when you think about the way that you heard it from the Prime Minister, It Sounds like those corridors are his top priority, at least in the way that he spent the time talking about them today, and youre seeing, of course, that against the backdrop of those protests on the ground and the pressure from the biden administration and other allies in the region. Thank you, aaron david miller, for the contest and your deep expertise on this issue. Well talk to a journalist who found out how disinformation is impacting the lives of officials in one north car county. Plus, former president Donald Trumps most recent comment on Election Interference just stay with us. Usay with us. Like when it needs to be a big, soft shoulder to cry on. Which is why downy does more to make clothes softer, fresher, and better. Downy. Breathe life into your laundry. vo if you have graves disease. Gritty eyes could be more than a rough patch. 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