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MSNBC Chris Jansing Reports September 4, 2024

Developments in multiple wars overseas threaten to throw a curveball into the campaign. Will Kamala Harris Role in this white House Help bolster her chances to win in november . Or backfire instead . Plus, will it be a boys versus Girls Election come november . A new poll shows Kamala Harris stretching her lead with female voters, and trying to win over even more with her new Bus Tour focused on Reproductive Rights. Does Donald Trump have a plan to try to win them back . Plus, a stunning new indictment accuses a former top aide to new York Governor Kathy Hochul of secretly working for the chinese government. Authorities say the alleged scheme was designed to promote chinas communist agenda in exchange for millions of dollars in kickbacks. The latest on the charges and the arraignment Coming Up. We start with new eruptions of Unrest And Violence in Israel And Ukraine on the first day of the final push toward november. Adding a complex new dimension to a president ial election that so far has been mostly focused on domestic concerns. In israel, dozens of protests are being held for a third straight day as thousands vent their grief. Look at the size of this crowd. They are frustrated over the deaths of six hostages killed by hamas over the weekend. Much of that anger, though, focused on prime Minister Netanyahu who many blame for blocking a ceasefire that may have saved their lives. When asked if netanyahu was doing enough to bring the hostages home, President Biden said bluntly, no. There are also other major developments overseas this hour. Horrific new attacks on a military Training Facility and hospital in ukraine, killing 51 people according to the prosecutor general. Thats one of the deadliest strikes of this war. And russian President Putin is on the move as well, defying an international warrant for his arrest by traveling to mongolia. I want to bring in nbcs chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel in ukraine, Matt Bradley in Tel Aviv, Monica Alba is covering the White House for us, and Rick Single served as under Secretary Of State for public diplomacy and public affairs under president obama, he is also an msnbc Political Analyst. Thanks to all of you for being matt, here. Matt, looking at these live pictures from israel, the crowds dont seem to be getting any smaller, but Netanyahu Isnt backing down. So what now . Reporter well, i got to tell you, the crowds do look a little smaller from when i was there two nights ago when i was standing on the bridge, you saw the images, they stretched as far as the eye could see on either side. But as you said, they are still substantial and the question is, are they going to be keeping up the momentum because it sounds like theyre going to be planning these kinds of protests every single night this week. So the question for the protesters is are their loud angry voices being heard in the halls of power by the likes of Benjamin Netanyahu and his right wing cabinet, the most right wing in israeli history. But, the question now is being answered because last night we heard from Benjamin Netanyahu and he gave what started out as almost an act of contrition, he said he had asked the Family Members of the hostages who have been killed for forgiveness for not bringing them back and then twisted and turned right to almost a lecturing tone to the israeli public, explaining why he had put what is being considered one of the most formidable roadblocks ahead of the hostage negotiations, which is insistence on keeping israeli troops in the philadelphia thats another name corridor. Thats another name for the southern border of the southern Gaza Strip that is shared with the sinai peninsula. He says he needs to keep the troops there to prevent hamas and other groups from importing arms and funds from egypts sinai peninsula. He said thats been fueling all this violence from the Gaza Strip for many years, even before october 7th, and he said hes not yielding. Here is netanyahu himself in that speech. I would define The End of the war in gaza when hamas no longer rules gaza. We throw them out. Were out to destroy the military capabilities of hamas and the governing capabilities of hamas and we are well on our way to achieving both. That is total victory. Reporter now, compare those statements to what i was hearing in the protest marches just two nights ago when i was down there, we have been hearing every single night, and it is clear there are two camps here in israel right now, they fall along familiar political fault one lines. One is Benjamin Netanyahu who says the priority is destroy the other are hamas. The other are all of these Hundreds Of Thousands of protesters who have been out over the past several nights who say the priority needs to be freeing the hostages, increasingly, really, for the past several months after the last successful treaty in it has been november. It has been seen that those two goals of the conflict in the Gaza Strip are entirely at odds with each other, and Benjamin Netanyahu has pitched his tent squarely in the one saying we need to prioritize destroying hamas and we need to put that ahead of any negotiationed peaceful hostage deal. It is not clear if these protests will change the calculus for israeli politics, what it might mean for Benjamin Netanyahu, but what could it potentially mean for Kamala Harris for a while, this had been lower on the radar in this president ial campaign, but obviously the deaths of those hostages has brought it right back to the fore. Yes, chris. In the case of what is happening in israel, i mean, the conflict in a way is between netanyahu, who claims to want to end the war, and, in fact, The Ending of the war would probably mean The End of his rule, there was a poll just the other day saying 69 of israelis dont want him to run for Prime Minister again. Yes, this does spill over into the american campaign. And Vice President harris has answered questions about it. I would say shes been toed the same line as President Biden, expressed support for israel and israels right to respond, but also expressed sympathy for the palestinians, there have been 40,000 people who have been killed in gaza, most of them women and children. You know, the best outcome for miss harris would be a Peace Deal, she has talked emphatically about the need for a Peace Deal. I would argue that the Peace Deal is good for everybody, and that is the thing that would preserve some esteem for israel around the world, you know, the views of israel now across the globe have been almost uniformly a peace negative. A Peace Deal would be good for No Doubt everybody. No doubt about that, monica. But the president was absolutely blunt when he said Netanyahu Hadnt done enough to reach a he also deal. He also mentioned that he is in negotiations not with the Prime Minister, only with his counterparts in qatar and egypt. So what are the practical and political considerations going into the administrations next move here . Reporter well, look, chris, if this feels familiar, it is because it is. We have been in this place before time and time again, where the biden administration has said were so close, this is so close to The End, there are a couple of outstanding issues that can be resolved, the parties can come close together and we can have a deal. But this takes on completely new Urgency Given what you were just discussing, with the events of this weekend and the murder of those six hostages. But, prime Minister Netanyahu seems to have dug in as ever, so that leaves the u. S. In this position where they need to make a determination about if nothing else has worked to this point, if this has been so elusive, what can be done now . Im told that there is this discussion about a possibility of a Take It Or Leave it type deal, that the u. S. Would put forward to the Negotiating Parties and say if you both reject this, then the u. S. Will walk away from its Negotiating Role potentially, again, no final decision has been made on that approach, but that that could be maybe the only Pressure Tactic that is left to try to get both of these parties to a there is deal. There is no guarantee that that will work either and there are still american hostages that are being held in gaza by hamas. So there is the consideration of well what would happen to them as well. So all of that is being discussed behind the scenes. Yesterday there was a big Situation Room Meeting led by President Biden, Vice President harris was in attendance as well, and all of those top officials discussed these potential next steps and the menu of options, but, remember they had already had this proposal that was pretty close to what they thought if anything was going to be realized, what it would look like, but now they need to update it because in phase one, there was an agreement about what kinds of hostages would be released and in that we expected that american Hersh Goldbergpolin would have been included before he was tragically killed. So, they need to go back and make some tweaks to a framework, again, that could maybe come to some kind. A conclusion, but the u. S. Is saying we want that to happen as soon as this week, theyre stressing how quickly this needs to happen, but, again, we heard that before, and the politics, the dynamic between the president and the Prime Minister here are only really complicating that timetable. Let me move on to ukraine, if i can, richard. We mentioned at the top of the show that we just have seen one of the deadliest strikes of this entire war. It has been going on for 921 days now, 921 days. Is there any indication of where this is heading . Well, this war has changed dramatically over the last several weeks. It may have been going on for the last two and a half years, but just about three weeks ago ukraine in a Surprise Move captured a piece of russia, 500 square miles of russian territory, caught Vladimir Putin completely off guard. It gave a boost of confidence to this country, it changed the narrative, suddenly russians are having to dig trenches in their own territory, they are having to call up reinforcements and send them to defend their own towns and villages. And we sat down with President Zelenskyy today, i interviewed him for about an hour, i met him and interviewed him more than half a dozen times since the start of this war and this was maybe one of our most interesting conversations because things are at such an Inflection Point it feels like. What are they going to do now . So, people in ukraine, i would say, were incredibly encouraged that this happened. They were cheering on their army, they were cheering on President Zelenskyy when news broke that not only had ukrainian forces crossed the border and did something that had been unthinkable, broke a taboo, Red Line if you want to call it, but that russian forces were retreating, that russian troops in some cases were abandoning their equipment, russian conscripts were being captured, taken as prisoners of war, potentially to be traded. Thats what ukraine wants to do for their prisoners of war. But now, many in this country are asking can we do this, do we have enough manpower to hold a piece of russian territory while also defending cities like poltava that was attacked today, while also defending along the Front Line in the east and in the south . And that was one of the things i asked President Zelenskyy what happens next. Now youve captured this territory in russia. The big question is what do you plan to do with it . Translator we dont need the russian territory. Our operation is aimed to restore our territorial integrity. We we captured russian troops to replace them with the ukrainian. We tell them, you know, we need our military soldiers in exchange with russian ones. The same attitude is to the territories, we dont need their reporter is the land. Reporter is the plan to take more territory . I will not tell. Sorry, I Cant speak about it. It is like the beginning of our discourse operation. With all respect, I Cant speak about it. I think that the success is very close to surprise. But conceptually, you have this territory now. So you dont want to ke conceptually conceptually we will hold it. Conceptually we will hold it. Reporter so ukraine is saying, President Zelenskyy is saying that they will hold this piece of russian territory they indefinitely. They will hold it until not forever, but for an indefinite period of time, until they no longer need it. Strongly suggesting that it will be used in trade somehow. President zelenskyy specifically told me that these are the next steps, that he wants to follow. That he was waiting until this Kursk Operation took place, until it was successful, that very few people knew about it. Even his own Intelligence Service Wasnt fully informed. He insists they didnt tell President Biden or the biden administration at least officially, that he wanted to wait until this operation was completed, bird in hand, so to speak, and that later this month, hes going to go on the sidelines of the u. N. General assembly in new york, hes going to brief President Biden, hes going to brief Vice President harris, that hes going to brief Donald Trump on what he calls his Victory Plan, that is a plan to end the war on ukraines terms, and that he sees holding the kursk region, which is this part of russia, just across the border from poltava, which was attacked today, he sees that as fundamental to his quote, unquote Victory Plan that he plans to roll out to those three leaders since he doesnt know who is going to be President Of The United States in a few months, so hes going to roll out to President Biden, his counterpart, who is work closely with now, and Vice President Harris And Donald trump later this month. So, rick, when you look at what is roiling overseas, the administration has been making a point to show that Kamala Harris is involved in these decisions, or that photo of her they put out in the Situation Room next to President Biden and obviously the message is shes ready to take on this job. Is there a risk, though, as well, as you pointed out, as monica pointed out, Peace Deal in israel, who knows what might happen with zelenskyys plan, who knows, and who knows if anything will be decided before the election. So is there a risk in a strategy that might suggest she is part of the decisionmaking, she is part of this decisionmaking of this administration . Well, chris, as you said earlier, i mean, generally president ial elections dont really turn on foreign policy, particularly at a moment like now when people are focused on domestic policy. At the same time, throughout history there have been negotiations going on in wars when president ial elections were taking place. Notably during the Vietnam War and all Wars End in the same place, at the negotiating table, and i think the Vice President has to be seen to be pushing for parties both in Israel And Gaza and in Ukraine And Russia to go the negotiating table, the Peace Table and come to some kind of an agreement. Thats in her best interest. Thats in the best interest i would argue of all the parties, and america continues to be in both places, indispensable nation, the only nation that could make a deal happen and thats what we need to do. Richard engel, Matt Bradley, Monica Alba and rick stengel, thank so much. Coming up in 90 seconds, the battle of boys versus girls. The Brandnew Evidence showing Kamala Harris support is soaring among women. And what trump is doing now to try to close the gap. To close Tp Preportioned Packs makes it really easy to keep him lean and healthy. In the morning, he flies up the stairs and hops up on my bed. 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