Zelenskyy and the ukrainians to fight for their independence. Otherwise putin would be sitting in kyiv with his eyes on the rest of europe, starting with poland, why dont you tell the 800,000 Poland Americans right here in pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favor and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch. Wow. I just saw that live a few minutes ago but seeing it a second time. Thank you for being with us as we digest Tonights Barnburner President ial debate between Vice President harris and former president Donald Trump. It was a very lopsided debate as it turns out. We all knew the Stakes Tonight were almost unimaginably high, it would be a debate like no other, in a president ial race like no other, but now we know how it went and why the Laris Campaign is so pleased with how it went. I will tell you something, he is going to talk about immigration tonight even when it is not the Subject Being raised and i am going to do something really unusual and i am going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trumps rallies. It is a really interesting thing to watch. You will see during the course of his rallies he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter and windmills cause cancer and you will notice people leave his rallies out of exhaustion and boredom, one thing you will not hear him talk about is you, your needs, your dreams, your desires. I tell you that you deserve a president who actually puts you first and i pledge to you that i will. Let me respond to the rallies. She said people start leaving, people dont go to her rallies, no reason to go. The people that that do go she is busing them in and paying them and showing them in a different light. She can not talk about that. People dont leave my rallies, the biggest rallies, incredible rallies in the history of politic. Sore spot perhaps. Reportedly Kamala Harris made her case about what she would do as president and why americans should vote for her while also just baiting Donald Trump into almost spitting mad defensiveness. Trump appeared agitated and angry. He shouted and interrupted while Vice President harris seemed to stay calm and focused. She reportedly managed to steer the discussion back to the points she wanted to make. Trump reportedly got lost in tan windmills and solarpanels in the Desert Soil, Desert Soil . And imaginary people Eating Dogs and why he believes it is true despite it being debunked because he saw it on television and well, who can argue with that. The contrast is stark on the topic of abortion as we knew it would be. Former President Trump tried to claim that everyone including all democrats, all americans were desperate for Roe V. Wade to be overturned. And, so, people love him for getting it done. He is, he is that is his script and he is sticking to it. Here was Vice President harrisresponse. In ever 20 states there are Trump Ark borings bans which make It Criminal for a doctor or a nurse to provide Health Care in one state it provides prison for life, Trump Abortion bans that make no exception for rain or incest. Understand what that O Rape or incest, understand what that means, a survivor of a violation to their body does not have the right to make the decision what happens to their body next. That is immoral. One does not have to abandon their faith to agree that the Government And Trump should not be telling a woman what to do with her body. Notably, Trump Tonight reportedly refused to say if he would sign or veto a national Abortion Ban if it came to his desk. He notably reportedly refused to say if he thought it would be good for ukraine to win the war against russia. When asked about a plan. None of us knows right now if this debate will have any effect on this incredibly important president ial race. The goal of the Harris Campaign was for Kamala Harris to make the case for herself and to Needle Trump into being the worst version of himself on television it seems clear they feel they accomplished that goal tonight. Lets Go Back to Swing State Arizona where our own jacob just watched the debate with a group of voters that we met. I am desperate to know what Everybody Thought of it it really is a profound 55 throaj get to do this privilege to get to do this. I have to say, nobody watched this debate coming out of it who said was not coming in voting for trump or thinking about trump that will now lean for trump. There are multiple people in this group who are going to participate on behalf of Vice President Harris Or Leaning harris. One thing, it is still 97 degrees, it is 9 00 p. M. Over 100 degrees. I think it is fair to say people were happy that chime at change came up at The End of the debate. I want to start with with you. You may not be writing yourself in. You may not do that and longer. In particular i watched you get what i think would be fair to say deeply emotional, feel free to contradict me about Reproductive Rights. For years we had Men Legislatures tell us we cant have abortions we have to do this with our bodies, do that with our bodies, finally, a woman gets that it is about us. Abortion has been in our society longer than Roe V. Wade, and Roe V. Wade protected women of childbearing years from the hacks and the charltons and the people who were just not doing right by them. So the door is open, feels like a connection has been formed that was not there before tonight. Absolutely. Again, i would like to know more and as we were talking before, here is, trump who has been campaigning this long, long time and harris is put in the spotlight. It is like the parliamentary system versus american system of campaigning. I would like to know more. It made an impact. Clearly yes. Let me start with you julian on the issue of economy. We talked before the debate how you could be one month away, your words, not mine, Homelessness On Jobs and affordability here. When, Vice President harris said and i want to make sure i get this right. Trump has no plan for you. You were talking about politicians did not have a connection, did you feel like what harris was talking about that moment spoke to you . Well, i feel like trump like, speaking for example since he is the other candidate. I feel like he does not care about me and my issues but i feel like Kamala Harris does. She says she is for the middle class, she was considered middle class when she was growing up. She said it right off of the top yeah and she is better with the economy and also she like small businesses is what she talked about. She made an impact on you tonight . Yeah. Thank you very much. I am going to ton to bonnie. 30 year elementary schoolteacher. Bonnie, a lot i think, i saw you rolling your eyes when former President Trump was talking about Vice President Harris Plans and said Run Spot run. He was mocking her. Making a joke about a childrens book. One you know well. It is about the war in ukraine and former President Trumps refusal to say that he wanted ukraine to win seemed to bother you during this debate. I would say i was disappointed at the fact that he did not give a direct answer to that. I mean you are either for a country and its ideals or you are not. And, i was frankly surprised he did not get a direct answer. You are another one of the folks here who said to me in between the debate and now that the door is open for you to vote for Vice President harris. What else would you like to see from her . I would like to see more off the cuff interviews and answering questions that are not practiced or set up ahead of time. We have a couple months left i think you will get that. I hope, i hope to hear more from her thank you very much. Lets go to jeff, jeff, remember everybody, was after the last debate, Trump Hell no, biden oh, no. Did the door is now open to you now for Vice President harris . You were saying to me that the portion of the debate about January 6th, by the way we are in maricopa county, one of the centers of election denial. Many denied the results of the 2020 but continued to deny the results of the midterms and the integrity of the system going into 2024. What bothered you so much about former President Trump . You said you were a Mccain Republican saying no regrets. It is shard to get my head around. He is aing i did not do anything but give a speech, but what he was doing is orchestrating how the whole situation is playing out. He told the Secret Service guys to take the Metal Detectors out and have people come in unreviewed, not inspected a terrible thing but a lot of other things going on for 21 2 hours while he is prancing around in the white house. It just seemed like how can you not take responsibility at some point for the whole thing . I did not see any other banners up there but for trump banners. It was heavily skewed group in favor of trump. You did not believe him with what he had to say . No, no. Liars dont cheat and cheaters dont lie. I said that wrong. Cheaters dont win and winners dont cheat. How do you look at Kamala Harris with mccain. Mccains brother said it, i think there is a clear line that there are people that are understanding the importance of the election and people that just play, you know, warriors and making a fuss and really saying things about other people. So that is trump bully. And i think Kamala Harris came out and showed some president ial nature about her. So, i think we are, the door say little bit open. Jeff, thank you. Nicole. On policy i think it is accurate to say that you may never vote for Vice President harris based on the policies that she has but it also sounds like this debate cemented for that you will never vote for President Trump again is that right . Yeah, i think people want to separate policy from character and i just dont see how you can do that. I can not get behind somebody who maybe i agree with certain policies on but their character is lacks complete leadership. Nicole, thank you very much. Juan carlos you were Leaning Trump but did not like his rhetoric towards immigrants. We hear the unfounded claims about it is hard to even say them about people stealing and eating animals in ohio. We know that is not true but he repeated it any way. Talking about rapist and murders coming across the border, did it bother you . It did. We have to have a controlled border and secure border. We had a lot of people going through illegally. My family went through the long process to get here legally. I think it is unfair for people to get here without problems and for the federal government to help them out. We also lost americans because so many illegals, like the young boy in ohio that was killed or college. Yes. Clark. This is a, you know, a touchy subject. His family says they did not like the trump campaign, vance talking about him in the context of the campaign and they dont want it, i am paraphrasing here, effect migrants in a negative way. Not going at it like that but i am say figure he was not allowed here illegally we would have a lot of people here with us. What about the border bill, harris made a specific focus how trump killed that for political reasons he did not deny that. Does that bother you caring so much about the border . Yeah, it bothers me, we dont have [indiscernible] we dont have the best options for a few good years so for me being a first time voter, you vote for an okay, or less okay. I can go with trump because i am conservative. But i go against what he preaches all right, okay, thank you very much. And lets end with you here. You went biden, 2020, you were Leaning Trump. Is it correct to say that the door is now open again for harris . Did you say that coming out of the debate . I will say she peaked my interest but i am still leaning towards trump and he did not surprise me in any way today. He is still on the path that i expected what is it about harris that peaked your interest what do you want to know more about and if you were to go over to her coming in as a potential Trump Voter what would be the deciding factor . I think with harris a lot of question marks, i did not know a lot about her other than she served as Vice President. She did not get to talk about a lot of her policies i need to step away from this and do my own research and look on her website i think that is probably exactly what they want to hear as well from a voter like you. Before we go, just a Show Of Hands coming into this debate, the two of you were Leaning Trump are you still going to vote for trump . Sounds like you are not let me do it like this trump if you are sure. Raise your hand. Sure is a strong word. If i had to vote right now, trump. Harris if you had to vote today, raise your hand. And, you just want to know more. I want to know more. And nicole is voting for either. I cant right now. All right, thank you very much. Rachel, thank you, also, to 12 news in phoenix for hosting us in here on this sweltering hot night. So interesting to see that a group of people who were largely undecided or noncommittal the door has been far more open to harris after this debate than to former President Trump that is for sure. And, again, thanks to all of you for the privilege of hanging out with you guys, rachel, thank you tell everybody there that we are grateful for them to be thereby with you, but also to talk us through it. It is invaluable. Like i said as far as i am concerned they all passed the audition for being on local news. [ laughter ] for sure. I will let them know, thank you, rachel. Fascinating to see the transition in so many of those undecided voters in arizona. Over the course of the debate. That positive impression of Vice President harrisperformance is matching the snap polling, for what that is worth and our impressions here in our studios in terms of the relative performance of the two candidates the Harris Campaign has to be excited with her performance. The trump campaign, we will see. Our coverage of Tonights President ial debate continues right after this. Here as we go out, this is Vice President harris making her case for, as she put it, turning the page. I was at the capitol on January 6th. I was the Vice President elect and i was also an acting senator. I was there. On that day, the President Of The United States incited a violent mob to attack our nations capitol. To desecrate our nations capitol. On that day 140 Law Enforcement officers were injured. Some died. And understand the former president has been indicted and impeached for exactly that reason. But this is not an isolated situation. Lets remember, charlottesville. Where there was a mob of people carrying tiki torches, spewing antisemitic hate, what did he is a . There were fine people on each side. Lets remember when it came to the proud boys, a militia, the president said, the former president said stand back and stand by. So, for everyone watching who remembers what January 6th was, i say, we dont have to Go Back. Lets not Go Back. We are not going back. It is time to turn the page. And if that was a bridge too far for you, well, there is a place in our campaign for you. 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