WhIte House Reporter at the WashIngton Post Tyler page, thank you for beIng wIth us and thank you to all of you for gettIng up way too early for us on thIs wednesday mornIng. MornIng joe starts rIght now. In sprIngfIeld, they are eatIng the dogs. The people that came In, they are eatIng the cats. They are eatIng they are eatIng the pets of the people that lIve there and thIs Is what Is happenIng In our country and Its a shame. As far as rallIes are concerned and the reason they go Is they lIke what I say. They want to brIng our country back. They want to Make AmerIca great agaIn. Its a sImple phrase. Make amerIca great agaIn. She Is destroyIng thIs country and If she becomes presIdent , thIs country does not have a chance of success. Not only success but wIll be venezuela on steroIds. I want to clarIfy here. You brIng up sprIngfIeld, ohIo. And Abc News dId reach out to the CIty Manager there. He told us no credIble reports of pets beIng harmed or Injured or abused by IndIvIduals wIthIn the ImmIgrant somebody called and saId a dog Im not sayIng they say dog was eaten by the people who went there. The sprIngfIeld CIty Manager says no evIdence of that. VIce presIdent , we wIll let you respond to the rest of what you heard. Talk about extreme one of the most talked about moments from last NIghts Debate the former presIdent repeatIng a false unhInged claIm whIch hIs campaIgn was promoted that ImmIgrants In sprIngfIeld, ohIo, are eatIng peoples pets. EatIng dogs. EatIng dogs. Yeah. Moments after the debate ended, another huge headlIne. One of the bIggest names In musIc global Superstar Taylor swIft endorses VIce PresIdent Kamala HarrIs. As they say, not the begInnIng or The End. Its The End of the begInnIng. I dont know wIth taylor, maybe It Is the begInnIng of The End. KInd of. You know, I got to say our job Is to analyze the debate Last NIght. I must say that, you know, one of the phrases, catch phrases that have come up thIs ElectIon Cycle has been sayIng and you have maInstream people, MaInstream MedIa people that are tryIng theIr best to Mold Donald Trump In to a bob dolelIke character, somebody that they can analyze as If he Is any other candIdate, as If thIs Is any other electIon, as If Last NIght was any other debate. It just wasnt. You had one candIdate that was completely unhInged. Just completely off hIs rocker. He looked badly. He looked old. He looked dIsconnected from realIty. He looked enraged. He kept repeatIng the same thIngs over and over agaIn. Made no sense. There was no preparatIon on hIs sIde. And he resorts to Internet Rumors already debunked just because he has nothIng to say. One of the most Illprepared well, the most Illprepared PresIdent Ial candIdates we have ever seen In one of these debates. One the of the angrIest and I got to say Hunched Over. Look at hIm. HIs eyes squIntIng. The SplIt Screen was extraordInary. So thIs mornIng for people on any network, even those who get paId to lIe about Donald Trump every day, there Is no sayIng watchIng there and there Is no normalIzIng there and there Is no pretendIng that that was any other candIdate. ThIs Is any other electIon or that was any other debate. Yeah. We have been encouragIng people a long tIme to not grade Donald Trump on a curve. To not say that Is what he does. No. ThIs guy wants to be PresIdent Of The UnIted States agaIn so watch that debate Last NIght and ask yourself If that Is a person who should be In the WhIte House and near the nuclear codes. We wIll show all of these moments. In addItIon to hIs claIm whIch was made up on the Internet and the person who took the photograph of the guy carryIng the goose down the street spoke out yesterday and saId that wasnt In sprIngfIeld, ohIo. I have no Idea If that guy was an ImmIgrant or haItIan or anythIng else. Former PresIdent Of The UnIted States Donald Trump Is screamIng about people EatIng Dogs. It dIdnt happen. He praIsed when asked about ForeIgn PolIcy, he praIsed only VIctor Orbon, the authorItarIan leader of hungary and not sayIng whether he wants ukraIne to wIn the war when asked many tImes and effectIvely sIdIng wIth VladImIr PutIn there. DefendIng hIs actIons on January 6th and the mob that desecrated the capItol and beat up cops that day. Went back to the well even, joe, of defendIng what he dId around the Central Park FIve. He saId, well, actually at the tIme I mean, why . Why go back to that . He was asked about It but why attempt to ratIonIze or defend callIng for the Death Penalty for fIve young men who ultImately were exonerated. That was the tIp of the Iceberg. No more gradIng Donald Trump on a curve. He wants to be PresIdent Of The UnIted States agaIn and watch those 90 mInutes and ask yourself whIch of those two people are more fIt to be presIdent. For anybody who Is frustrated watchIng Donald Trump lIe agaIn and agaIn unchecked, I wIll say that Last NIght was valIdatIon, fInally. WatchIng hIm get called out. Not necessarIly by the moderators, though dId make an attempt to try throw he talked over them and they although he talked over them and they content turn hIm off. Kamala harrIs was joyful and classy and went In there and debated hIm over and over and over agaIn and he fell for It every tIme. I thInk the moment that really was the unravelIng was when she InvIted all amerIcans to attend a Trump Rally and to see the lIes In persOn And to see how tIred and borIng the rallIes are, to hear about HannIbal Lecter and other thIngs. He just lost It from there on. We can play that. Lets play It real quIck. Take a look. Im goIng to actually do somethIng really unusual and Im goIng to InvIte you to attend one of Donald Trumps rallIes. Because Its a really InterestIng thIng to watch. You wIll see durIng the course of hIs rallIes, he talks about about fIctIonal character lIke HannIbal Lecter and talk about wIndmIlls cause cancer and what you wIll also note Is that people start leavIng hIs rallIes early out of exhaustIOn And boredom. I wIll tell you one thIng you wIll not hear hIm talk about Is you. You wIll not hear hIm talk about your dreams and your needs and your desIres and Ill tell you I belIeve you deserve a presIdent who actually puts you fIrst and I pledge to you that I wIll. Let me respond to the rallIes. She saId people start leavIng. People dont go to her rallIes. No reason to go. The people that do go, she Is bussIng them In and payIng them to be there and then showIng them In a dIfferent lIght. So she Cant Talk about that. People dont leave my rallIes. We have the most IncredIble rallIes In the hIstory of polItIcs. That Is because people want to take theIr country back. Our country Is beIng lost. We are a faIlIng natIOn And It happened three and a half years ago and what Is goIng on here, youll end up In World War III. As far as rallIes are concerned and as far as the reason they go Is they lIke what I say. They want to brIng our country back. They want to Make AmerIca great agaIn. Its very sImple phrase. Make amerIca great agaIn. She Is destroyIng thIs country and If she becomes presIdent thIs country doesnt have a chance of success. Not only success, wIll end up beIng venezuela on steroIds. From there on out, joe, It just went downhIll for hIm. He could not handle hearIng that hIs rallIes are borIng and that people get up and leave. You know, wIllIe, Its InterestIng that when youre lIstenIng to musIc and youre tryIng to really fIgure out what Is goIng on In a performance, It really Is always best. QuIncy jones would always tell people If you want to know what Is goIng on, turn your back to who Is performIng. Or just close your eyes. That Is how you hear the musIc. Here, I would say just the opposIte. If you want to get exactly where a debate Is goIng, turn the Sound Off. Use your eyes. And vIsually the SplIt Screens are so stark. When you do that, you see Kamala HarrIs smIlIng, mockIng, you know, puttIng her hand underneath her chIn, are you really sayIng that . And at one moment In that bIzarre exchange about Dog EatIng she actually looked lIke she was feelIng sorry for the man. Yes because he was so detached from realIty. Yeah. He wouldnt look at her. If you go through those 90 mInutes, you probably count two or three tImes he glanced over. He Is scowlIng and uncomfortable. I thInk one of the bIg tells, we have heard from a lot of republIcans who concede prIvately that thIs went terrIbly for Donald Trump and actually I heard some praIse for Kamala HarrIs performance even from republIcans, democrats, obvIously, excIted about It, was about 30 mInutes Into the debate, we started to see onlIne and now on the front page of a major newspaper that It was the Moderators Fault. Blame them. They are gangIng up because a handful of tImes they Fact Check Donald Trump on egregIous lIes. You also know It dIdnt go well because Donald Trump showed up In the SpIn Room. Donald trump, hImself, yesterday, Last NIght after the debate to try to sort of reImagIne what happened In that room Last NIght. HarrIs CampaIgn CallIng ImmedIately for a second debate. We wIll see If there Is a second debate. They feel confIdent about It. The Trump CampaIgn resortIng to blamIng the moderators for what theIr candIdate dId In that room. If youre showIng up In that SpIn Room, youve lost. If youre blamIng the moderators, youve lost. Trump we should note was noncommIttal whether he would debate harrIs agaIn. HarrIs sayIng lets get a second date on the books for october. SplIt screen was so effectIve for harrIs the way she smIled and almost sort of mocked hIm at tImes and lookIng In dIsbelIef, I Cant belIeve Im sharIng the stage wIth someone sayIng thIngs lIke that. She threw hIm off at the begInnIng and walked over for a handshake. He clearly dIdnt expect It and set a tone for the nIght. FIrst 15, 10 mInutes when they talked about the economy wIth you once they start talkIng about AbortIon And Trump twIsted hImself In knots to explaIn hIs shIftIng stances but at the same tIme made It clear he was proud of u. S. Supreme court justIces he nomInated. The VIce PresIdent scored some poInts there. There were so many moments here where she just got the best of hIm and he looked old. He looked out of touch. And he looked lIke he was speakIng, joe, to just a small republIcan ecosystem and not wInnIng over any new votes at all. So bIzarre. We should note It took a whIle to get there Last NIght but he was asked. Not just about January 6th where he defended hIs actIons but he was asked about the 2020 electIOn And he repeatedly would not say that he lost. By the way, for people, agaIn, that have to lIe constantly, tryIng to normalIze Donald Trump, there Is so much they cant run away. HIs own CampaIgn Staff beggIng hIm to stop lyIng about a stolen electIon. He couldnt do It. He could not say that he wanted ukraIne to be able to push back the russIan Invaders. He would not say It. He would not say repeatedly whether he was goIng to push a natIonal ban for abortIon on amerIcan women. Would not say It. Was asked afterwards as he was leavIng the debate, he would not answer that questIon on whether he supported a natIonal ban or not. You go down the lIst. TIme and tIme agaIn he would not say he dId anythIng wrong on January 6th. AgaIn, there Is nothIng normalIzed about hIm. HIs performance was Absolutely terrIble. And there were many people who actually dared to say the truth. It was the worst Debate Performance In hIstory. They were even you had a lot of trump supporters on twItter, In the medIa sayIng It was one of the worst Debate Performances they ever saw and they could blame abc all they wanted to. Blame those two . You cant get past that . SerIously . Is he that bad . He Is goIng to take on dIctators all over the world and he cant handle the truth about eatIng cats In sprIngfIeld, ohIo . SerIously . RIght Out Of The Box on Fox News, they saId he won hands down and no other way to look at It. Others trIed to make up stuff but there was nowhere to go. They have nothIng. Also wIth us Is u. S. SpecIal correspondent for Bbc News Katty kay. AssocIate edItor of the WashIngton Post Eugene robInson. Ceo of the messIna group, JIm MessIna Is here. He ran hIs 2012 reelectIon campaIgn. Also john heIlemann, chIef edItor of puck. Anyone who won a PulItzer PrIze here . It would be I Gene RobInson from the WashIngton Post, your thoughts . So Kamala HarrIs from the begInnIng, the OpenIng MInute was the Alpha Female on that stage, fIrst of all. I mean, she took charge of the debate as It was. She got her poInts across whIle, at the same tIme, she knew exactly what buttons to push to brIng the InsanIty out of Donald Trump. The Crowd SIze. You know, John MccaIn. BeIng a dIsgrace, mIlItary leaders callIng hIm a dIsgrace. A dIsgrace, usIng that word dIsgrace. LookIng rIght at hIm. And lookIng rIght at hIm. He wouldnt look back. It was just the most comprehensIve beatdown I have ever seen on a Debate Stage and Im IncludIng the Trump BIden Debate where bIden beat hImself. Really, Donald Trump dIdnt do It. But It was just I mean, If there were a Mercy Rule, It would have been called after you got to the fIrst halfhour, 45 mInutes. Lets play a clIp on abortIon rIght now. The reason Im doIng that vote Is because the plan Is, as you know, the vote Is they have abortIon In the nInth month. They even have you can look at the governor of West VIrgInIa, the prevIous governor of West VIrgInIa, not the current governor who Is doIng an excellent job, but the governor before, he saId the baby wIll be born and we wIll decIde what to do wIth the baby. In other words, we wIll execute the baby. And that Is why I dId that because that predomInates. They are radIcal. The democrats are radIcal In that. Her VIce PresIdent Ial pIck, I thInk was a horrIble pIck by the way, for our country because he Is really out of It but her VIce PresIdent Ial pIck says abortIon In the nInth month Is Absolutely fIne. He also says executIon after bIrth, Its executIon, no longer abortIon because the baby Is born Is okay. That Is not okay wIth me. Hence the vote. There Is no state In thIs country where Its legal to kIll a baby after Its born. Lets understand how we got here. Donald Trump Handselected three members of the unIted states Supreme Court wIth the IntentIon that they would undo the protectIons of Roe V wade and they dId exactly as he Intended. And now In over 20 states, there are Trump AbortIon bans whIch make It CrImInal for a doctor or a nurse to provIde Health Care In. In one state, It provIdes prIson for lIfe. Trump AbortIon Bans that make no exceptIon even for Rape And Incest whIch understands what that mean. A vIolator of a crIme to the vIolatIon of theIr body does not make a decIsIon about what happens to theIr body next. That Is Immoral. One does not have to abandon theIr FaIth Or Deeplyheld belIefs to agree the government and Donald Trump certaInly should not be tellIng a woman what to do wIth her body. I have talked wIth women around our country. You want to talk about thIs Is what people wanted . Pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to Term SufferIng from a mIscarrIage, beIng denIed care In an Emergency Room because the Health Care provIders are afraId they mIght go to jaIl and she Is bleedIng out In a car In the ParkIng Lot . She dIdnt want that . Her husband dIdnt want that . A 12yearold SurvIvor of Incest beIng forced to carry a pregnancy to term . They dont want that I pledge to you when congress passes a bIll to put back In place the protectIons of Roe V wade as PresIdent Of The UnIted States, I wIll proudly sIgn It In to law but understand If Donald Trump were to be reelected, he wIll sIgn a natIonal AbortIon Ban. Understand In hIs project 2025, there would be a natIonal abortIon, a monItor that would be monItorIng your pregnancIes, your mIscarrIages. I thInk the amerIcan people belIeve that certaIn freedoms, In partIcular the freedom to make decIsIons about ones own body, should not be made by the government. Its a lIe. Im not sIgnIng a ban. And there Is no reason to sIgn a ban because we have gotten what everybody wanted. Democrats, republIcans, and everybody else and every legal scholar wanted It to be back Into the states the states are votIng. It may take a lIttle tIme. But for 52 years thIs Issue has torn our country apart and they wanted It back In the states and I dId somethIng that nobody thought was possIble. The states are now votIng. What she says Is an absolute lIe and, as far as the AbortIon Ban, no. Im not In favor of AbortIon Ban put It doesnt matter because thIs Issue has now been taken over by the states. Would you veto a natIonal AbortIon Ban If It came to your desk . I wouldnt have to. She saId she wIll go back to congress and ImpossIble for her to get the vote and now wIth 50 50 essentIally 50 50 In both senate and the house. She Is not goIng to get the vote. She cant get the Vote And Wont come close to It. He wouldnt answer It. He Is lyIng. On the veto. Through that he keeps lyIng and Kamala HarrIs just very plaInly put out there, Katty Kay, the bItter truth, that What Trump has done to womens health In amerIca Is monstrous and she very eloquently but very clearly put out there what Is happenIng In doctors offIces and Emergency Rooms across the country thanks to hIm. Yeah. I thought on a nIght of strong answers that was her strongest and when I was lIstenIng to It, I marked that one down. She started wIth a polIcy. She took It to the personal and turned It back to Donald Trump. I would love for her to have the opportunIty to push hIm agaIn on hIs response to those women who are bleedIng out In Emergency Rooms or who are the vIctIms of Incest. Or the young kIds who had to be moved across borderlInes and he managed to duck that. My colleagues wIth SwIng Voters and several saId they felt the moment they would turn for Kamala HarrIs. Part of the problem Is Donald Trumps answers It turns out If you are goIng to do a debate for the presIdency of the unIted states, Its worth preppIng and he dIdnt Prep TIme And AgaIn durIng the course of thIs debate. There were moments for hIm. He could have pushed hard on afghanIstan and he could have pushed hard on the AdmInIstratIons Records on prIces and affordable. There were moments for hIm to take somethIng and he had not prepped and so obvIous. He dIdnt know how to make hIs poInts. AgaIn, lets not whItewash hIstory. He has never prepped for anythIng. HIs staffers saId they wouldnt even put a onepager In front of hIm at the WhIte House because he wouldnt read It. And so he Is not goIng to prep. He never was goIng to prep. He wasnt capable of preppIng and doesnt care about knowIng the Issues. He does not know them. He Is as shallow as anyone who ever stepped on a Debate Stage and It showed. Talk about that and also that last answer. You saId whIle that clIp was beIng played that her answer on abortIon would be one In the future that candIdates would be shown. Absolutely. 30 years from now, people wIll show those clIps of Kamala HarrIs rIppIng hIm apart on abortIon. At the prototypIcal example to do. The Substance And PassIon and lookIng straIght at hIm and makIng It very personal. Your poInt about the Emergency Rooms. You could see SwIng Voters movIng. We have seen an on thIs. 92 poll of uncommItted voters saId she won that debate. Joe, you and I couldnt get 92 amerIcans to agree on free beer. It Is unbelIevable what that was and how they dId It. And you contInue to watch hIm. HarrIs campaIgn leadIng up to the debate saId we are goIng to debate hIm. The very fIrst tIme she Is on Crowd SIzes collapsed and went Into the worst versIon. He proved over. AbortIOn And Crowd SIzes the debate was over. The rest was just a VIctory Lap. WIllIe . There Is no questIon that that was a pIvotal moment and she knew exactly what she was doIng leavIng that seed about Crowd SIze and that set hIm off. As many noted Last NIght that nIght was a Rally VersIon of