That i see. We had a 92 rating in one poll. 80 to 20. I told that to bret baier. We sent him a lot of polls and sent you polls this morning. We had an 86 rating in one, another 77 . One poll is 92 to 6 . 92 to 7. Speak louder, mr. President. 88 to 11. All the polls are 60, 70, and 80. 83 to 3. Wow. I mean, but every single poll had me winning, like 90 to 10. It was 24 to 25. Do a Shoutout Poll, who they thought won the debate Last Night. Itll be great. You know we always do the poll at The End, mr. President. Why dont you do it while but im on the phone there. The polls are indicating that we got 90 , 60 , 72 , 71 , and 89 . Where are you getting these numbers from . And there you have it, willie. The race is over. 86 to 3, he tells one person. Who responds with, wow. You won 86 to 3. Did you, Comrade Stalin . All the soviet people must really love you. No, but, i mean, Thats Part of the well, its not part of the problem. I mean, its a huge problem. He lives in an alternate reality. His handlers thought they could somehow manage that going into the debate. And republicans, mainstream republicans that insist on staying with this man, regardless of the craziness, the lunacy, all the losses, you know, they always thought they could control him, they could manage him. He cant be managed, is he livs in an alternate reality, at least politically. Yeah. When your Debate Performance is an unmitigated disaster, not by the account of You And Me but by account of the republicans, by account of his advisors talking privately now to the press about how bad it was, there has been this fallacy, this fantasy, this charade, that if we can just get Donald Trump to settle in, prepare, and focus on policy, hes going to have a great it aint happening. Its never happened since the day he stepped on the scene. I dont know why we keep trying to entertain that idea. He is who he is. It was on full display for an hour and a half two nights ago. He got whipped, frankly. Now, you have to go out and make up polls. Joe, by the way, the mashup we played there was from our friends from all in with Chris Hayes, who put that together. Showing the absurdity of Donald Trumps spin. It was three against one. Whining about the debate mod vat moderators. They said you cant kill a baby in any State Of The Union after theyre born and, no, haitian immigrants are not eating pets in ohio. Thats why he was whining it was unfair. Again, anybody that thinks thats why he lost the debate, that he was corrected three times on but, you know, he got about seven minutes more than he was supposed to because the Debate Moderators allowed him to keep breaking the rules. Every answer she had, they would try to move on to something else. He would blurt something out, crazy stuff for a minute or two minutes, breaking the rules. I was actually sitting there going, are you going to enforce your rules or not . I mean, i dont know if youll remember, but when he came on our show, he didnt talk over us. No. Or we hung up. I wanted to show Jonathan Lemire the headline in The New York Times today. Are you ready . Ready. Red sox walk it off, jonathan. You have a picture of oneil trotting around the bases. Oh, wait, thats not the headline. 84 font there. Screaming headline. Its over. Yeah. The war is over. Red sox within four. Why do i bring this up with willie and you . Because we have, actually and this is all we can hope for with this team. Middle of september, we actually have a yankees Red Sox series that means a lot to both teams. Yeah. Youre right. Both teams had walkoff Wins Yesterday, as you just mentioned. Tyler oneil Hit One to the moon, way over the green monster, walking off the orioles. Frankly, doing a favor, taking two of three from baltimore. And a walkoff on an errant throw to Home Plate after the yankees rallied there. Yeah, we have a series that matters now. The sox, four out of the wild card. They might need a sweep in the bronx to really get there, at least two out of three. Thats a tall order. Look, middle of september. These games matter. Its Red Sox and yankees. Itll be fun. The sweep they need is with the twins after the yankees. At least split with the yankees, sweep the twins, and you have a shot there. Yeah, itll be exciting. The tigers coming out of nowhere. Tigers. Coming out of nowhere. Wow. Lions and tigers. Not the bears, Oh My. Willie, really quickly, and then ill let you get to what you probably if i shut up five minutes ago, you could have done already. Headline really sums it up. I was talking about campaigns needing bumper stickers. To trump, u. S. Is failing. To harris, theres hope. I mean, theres the campaign wrapped up in a headline. A very accurate headline. Trump would say that, that america is failing. He does say it all the time. And Kamala Harris would say, theres hope. Theres hope. Best days could be ahead. I think its fascinating. If you want to know what this campaign is about, right there. Right there, right there. Wheres the camera . That one right there, thats what its about, willie. Thats what well be talking about today, along President Trump right melting down about Debate Moderators. Some saying they should be jailed, which tells you where we are in 2024 on the Trump Right. Theyre talking about Jailing Moderators in the debate that Donald Trump had about six or seven more minutes to talk. You talk about pathetic excuses. Also, Taylor Swift, elon musk, travis kelce. Eh. Eh. Now to you, Willie Geist. Unbelievable. Well get into all that. The headline you head up, joe, that was the takeaway for a lot of people. Huge audience, by the way. Well get into the numbers. My gosh, yeah. Across a number of networks the other night. But the theme of her saying, were not going back to this, looking forward, joy instead of yesterday and american carnage. Thats the message shes putting out. As long as were holding up newspapers, joe, another good number. The Wall Street Journal, ill head over here, look at the top line. Inflation slows to threeyear low. The data we talked about live as it came in yesterday. That is great news for americans going out, trying to buy groceries and do other things in the country. In fact, it relates to the campaign. Around the table this morning, political analyst Elise Jordan. Former aide to the George W Bush White House and the state department. Editor at the financial times, Ed Luce. Msnbc Contributor And Author of the book how the right lost its mind, charlie sykes. Good morning to you all. So trump Debate Performance frustrates republicans, was the headline in the Wall Street Journal. The journal states, gop lawmakers and others fretted that trump had missed chances to challenge harris on her record. Instead, let his own controversies become the bigger story, as Harris Needling got under his skin. Lindsey graham of south carolina, of course a staunch ally of Donald Trump, called the debate a missed opportunity. Republican Senator Kevin Cramer of North Dakota said, quote, he treated it like a mini rally in a lot of republicans. You have to be talking to the Swing Voters in swing states. He could do that better with details. Were also getting reaction from inside the Trump Camp. One adviser telling nbc news, quote, it was not his best performance, without question. Thats from inside the Trump Camp. A longtime republican operative saying, i know everyone in the world has said this, but the inability, unwillingness to realize when he is being baited and not fall for it is constantly baffling. How about this . Robert f. Kennedy jr. Of course, recently suspended his President Ial Campaign to endorse trump, criticized trumps Debate Performance. Vice President harris clearly won the debate in terms of her delivery, her polish, her organization, and her preparation. I think on substance, President Trump wins in terms of his governance, but he didnt tell that story. In the from a guy, john, with an affinity for Eating Animals that he hit on the side of the road. Thats tough criticism. Central part. Yeah. Looked like it was decimated. Robert f kennedy. There is widespread consternation from inside the Trump Camp and other republicans who say who said, claimed, that trump was prepared. He was going to go in there and hammer home the economy and immigration. And he did try a couple of times to shoehorn immigration answers into questions, but then he was derailed by talking about eating dogs and cats in ohio. To the point yesterday, the City Manager of that town in springfield, ohio, had to hold a News Conference. Brian probably didnt have this on the bingo card, where his life would lead him, had to say, that didnt happen. The governor of the state, Mike Dewine, said, its not true. Its not happening here. It didnt dissuade trump, though, who continued to push it yesterday. He said abcs Broadcast License should be taken away because of perceived bias in the state. For republicans, the concern is twofold. One, they know harris, still unknown to a lot of americans, came out looking good. She passed the commander in chief test. Secondly, trumps craziness was on full display, and she was able to bait him several times into looking unhinged and to getting angry, and reminding americans why they got tired of him in the first place. That, i think, joe, is something that a lot in the trump those trumps closest advisors, including some i spoke to Yesterday Afternoon, who said, you know, as they go back and forth as to whether or not Theyll Debate with her again, they feel they gave her an assist, that trump formed an impression in peoples minds who are reminded, who may have had trump amnesia, like, oh, maybe things werent that bad, maybe we like his economy, whatever it might be, and then they look at that and go, oh, we dont want to do that again. No. I mean, 60 Million viewers saw that side of Donald Trump. I mean, 60 Million. The only two Tv Shows in america that people watch more of, the super Bowl And Way too early with Jonathan Lemire. Yeah. Outside of that yeah. You know what that pressure is like. Willie, you know, i think everybody was focused, including republicans, on how badly Donald Trump did because they didnt focus on how well Kamala Harris did. It was brought home Last Night. I was scrolling through the news, and i saw a couple of watch parties. People watching harris. Her pausing at certain points, which youre watching it and youre like, you know, youre watching it in your own home and you dont get how everybody is reacting. But people were laughing at her, the pauses. Really, after starting the first couple minutes a bit nervous, she really commanded it. A democrat who worked on President Ial Campaigns, and mark mckinnon, a republican, who obviously worked on george w. Bushs campaigns and mccains campaign, both said the same thing. They believe it was the best Debate Performance they have seen since jfks in 1960. So that is their opinion. I think it is important, when we think about how this debate is going to impact people, we take note of the fact that Donald Trump lost but, at the same time, in equal measures, Kamala Harris won. By doing so, with a massive tv audience, she cleared the hurdle. She moved that she was not what the Trump Right has been calling her for the past four years. It was a huge test for her. If you think about the dnc in chicago, there was a great convention, but thats a pep rally. Thats a home game. She looked great in that. The party was unified there. Now, she steps into the arena with the opponent. Shes in the boxing ring. This isnt sparring anymore. It was real. You make a great point. Because Donald Trumps atrocious, historically terrible performance overshadows, in some ways, the ways in which she instigated his performance, she provoked him and got him to go to his darkest places, and then was able to sit in a Split Screen. The subtext was, do you want this again, america . Rational, sane people who want to live your lives, have a strong economy, take care of your family . Do you want to live through this another four, five years . Shed turn and say, he wants to talk about himself. I want to talk about you. I think it was the message she wanted to drive home. Charlie sykes, we heard from pollsters, people like Focus Groups, the dials went down on Donald Trump when he launched into insane rants about eating dogs and other things. Also the inconsistencies he cant explain away on the issue of abortion, for example. Whatd you see as you watched with your trained eye a couple nights ago . Well, you know, a lot of what we saw with Donald Trump, you know, the bitterness, the angry, the fabulism is familiar for us who watched Donald Trump over the last eight years. This may have come as a Revelation Or Reminder to tens of millions of people who were tuning in and go, oh, my gosh, who is this angry, old man yelling at the clouds here . As you point out, Kamala Harris is an unknown factor for many, many, many voters, and she put on a really extraordinary performance. Not just disciplined. Look, she also won the Split Screen in a rather dramatic fashion. I think that was a little underappreciated. Oh, yeah. But a couple of things here. I think you highlighted this at the top of the show. Theres a warning here, too. You know, Donald Trump, as we know, lives in a bubble of delusion. Also, what he demonstrated was republicans refuse to take the l. They refuse to acknowledge that he refuses to acknowledge he lost. Also, they remain addicted to these fake internet memes, even after they have been debunked. They will not let go of the Big Lie. I think that this is going to be this is not a new pattern, for those of us who follow this, but think of this in the context of the electiOn And the Big Lie. Donald trump is creating an alternative reality where he never admits that he loses, and no matter how egregious the lie is, no matter how much it has been refuted, they will stick with it. I think thats extraordinary. How deeply online theyve gotten and how, you know, by the way, talk about blatantly racist, you know, imagery of Donald Trump saving kittens in america from angry, black men. But theyre not letting it go. They wont let these things go. I think this is, again, a marker and a warning for our times. You know, willie, there is a parallel. Its not a really strong parallel because nothing compares to Donald Trump, but you remember when we were covering the 2012 election. Mitt romney, his campaign, his family lived inside the Fox News Bubble. Youll remember on the Front Page of drudge every day was romney Plus 11, because the gallup polls were so wildly off. Youll remember that night. Im saying, this public they live in, where people are going, oh, my, this bubble leads to disaster most times. Youll remember, Mitt Romney and ann romney, who people i love, they, late into the evening, they were sure there was something wrong with the numbers. Because it went against everything that was in that bubble in 2012. Republicans lived in it, even pretrump. Youll remember Karl Rove saying, something is wrong with these numbers. Even late into the night, nobody could believe it because they had all been living in a bubble. Im sorry, but ive just got to say it, this is whats happened every year since 2017. They live in a bubble. They convince themselves that by saying illegal immigrants are Coming To America with leprosy, that caravans are coming to eat their children, you know, they think that by saying the most radical, wild things, though its an exaggeration, that, somehow, theyre going to sway the middle. They never do. It doesnt work. It worked for one day in november nine years ago. When Donald Trump admitted afterwards to me that the election could have been held on ten days, he may have only one it on that one day. And they have tanked their entire party, destroyed the Conservative Movement, based on that one day. Because a letter was written ten days before that literally changed the outcome of the election. Yeah. Youre talking about a 2012 Fox News Bubble which, i mean, compare that to what the bubble looks like today, which is right. The farthest reaches of the internet. The darkest Conspiracy Theories you can think of amplified and pushed to the top of a President Ial Campaign. Which gets you a debate like we had two nights ago, elise. As we were saying yesterday, that was rally Donald Trump. The curated audience at the rally knows all the lines to the songs. They know about the cat Eating Thing in springfield, they cheer when they hear that. But there are 67 Million people watching the other night. Thats a lot of people who dont know about the cat eating Conspiracy Theory online, or anything else Donald Trump talked about, going, i want to know which of these people will take care of my family and protect my rights. What on earth is this man talking about . When Donald Trump makes such a crazy comment, it just pops. It becomes the quote of the night, distinguishing just how crazy he is and reminding voters, oh, this guy is not really all there. Also, going back to the age issue. He seemed a little slower. He had plenty of facts wrong. You know, mixing up West Virginia and virginia. And Kamala Harris, she came across as likable. The end of the day, she came across as likable, and Donald Trump wasnt able to define her and paint her as an extreme liberal. Thats what he needed to do. Instead, voters got to see a woman who was collected, in command. She was strong. She looked good. She wasnt taking anything from this Man Ranting at her. You