Good to be with you. Im katy tur. Both candidates are back out on the Campaign Trail after tuesdays debate. Vp Kamala Harris is in North Carolina holding two events in an effort to win that state back. The first in charlotte starts in just about 30 minutes. And well go there live when it begins. Former President Donald Trump meanwhile is in arizona trying to Hammer Border Politics to Swing Voters. But Immigration Policy is not the headline out of the Trump Campaign. The Headline Today is immigrants eating pets. A Fear Mongering Internet Meme that made its way offline and into the mouth of a president ial candidate on a debate stage. How did that happen . It could have been his Vice President ial pick, senator j. D. Vance, who has himself elevated and spread the allegation in online posts. Then again, it could have been Donald Trump himself who found it, and after all, he did say he saw it on tv at the debate. Or it could have been the racist conspiracy theorist, Laura Loomer who brought it to him. She was with him the day of the debate, seen here exiting his plane in philadelphia. And she was with him even after the debate, even after the fallout, accompanying him to a visit with firefighters in new York City on 9 11. At this point ill note shes a 9 11 truther. Why is a 911 truther with Donald Trump for September 11th remembrances. Why is a person who claims immigrants are eating cats in Ohio And School shootings are allowed to happen to help democrats in elections and that Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are in an arranged relationship to sway the 2024 outcome accompanying the former president and current Gop Nominee anywhere. Its not just loomer, all of them have perpetuated antisemitic stereotypes or pushed wildly bizarre conspiracies. And trump has surrounded himself with them and many more. The political answer is that they help him reach a sympathetic group of voters who believe that stuff. Another maybe simpler answer is that the former president has a hard time separating fact from fiction. Which is what Vp Harris was driving at in this answer on Tuesday Night. Donald trump was fired by 81 Million people. Lets be clear about that, and clearly hes having a very difficult time processing that. When you then talk in this way in a president ial debate and deny what over and over again with Court Cases you have lost, because you did, in fact, lose that election, it leads one to believe that perhaps we do not have in the candidate to my right, the temperament or the ability to not be confused about fact. Thats deeply troubling and The American people deserve better. But before you dismiss that as a partisan swipe, she is far from the only one whos saying something like that. Just the other day we had on Hr Mcmaster, Donald Trumps former national Security Adviser who wrote in his book that trump found he found it difficult to distinguish between those who brought him Sound Analysis and those real or imagined brought him bromides. With me, New York Times Reporter And Msnbc contributor, Jeremy Peters. The implication is that he has imaginary friends who bring Him Analysis and stories. Vaughn, what is the deal with Laura Loomer, how did she get close to Donald Trump . How close is she to Donald Trump . Reporter i think its important to understand, katy, that this is how the 2024 president ial campaign of Donald Trump has been run for almost two years now, and thats not been to limit his access to anybody. So whether youre Charlie Kirk or Steven Miller or Corey Lewandowski or Laura Loomer, if you want to get ahold of Donald Trump, there is nobody that is going to try to stand in your way. Of course we have seen Campaign Managers and officials like Hr Mcmaster inside of the White House come and go over the course of the last nine years, but what has been unique about this campaign is that its been helped by advisers who have not tried to limit Individuals Access to Donald Trump or tried to convince Donald Trump of who he should or should not converse with, or whether he should talk with Nbc News or whether he should talk with a right Wing Propaganda Trump aligned outlets, and that has really manifested itself in this moment. For 24 hours, Laura Loomer, traveling on the Campaign Plane with Donald Trump. This is not a plane with plentiful seats. You didnt see members of the press or other members of the right wing media outlet. You see Laura Loomer, somebody whos not only a 9 11 truther. Just two weeks ago, she suggested that the School Shooting in georgia was in part due to democrats and the fbi as a means of using it as a political tool. This is somebody who in the Iowa Caucus earlier this year suggested that Nikki Haley worked with the federal government to create a massive Winter Storm to keep trump voters from showing up to the caucus in order to make sure he wasnt the republican nominee, and now you see Laura Loomer continuing to have a presence, despite concerns from trump allies, we should note, outside of Marjorie Taylor Greene, these allies are saying these things privately because Laura Loomer, for anybody who may follow on Social Media, shes quick to lash out that anybody that gets in her way, Marjorie Taylor Greene or jack, he ended up leaving the Trump Campaign to run for congress, and Laura Loomer, i think, katy, its clear shes not afraid of anybody, and shes eager to go on the attack with anybody that gets in her way, and Donald Trump, nine years of political chaos within his campaigns has turned to her in closing weeks as somebody who he is clearly relying on as a Messenger And Somebody who gets his word out there to a now massive audience. There were moments of these questionable figuring surrounding Donald Trump in 2015 to 2016. Vaughn, you know this, jeremy, you know this as well. There does seem to be a difference between now and then. I mean, in 2015 and 2016, he was talking more about policy in the broad sense, he was talking about jobs. He was talking about the economy, talking about taxes, he was talking about immigration. He was talking about china a whole lot. He was talking about issues that matter to people at these rallies, and now its like hes just talking about Internet Memes. I mean, hes gone down rabbit holes, its not just like the weird tangents hes going on. The Conspiracy Theory stuff, dogs eating pets, this stuff, what happened . His material was better back then, and the material he hasnt now isnt working. The stuff they have been throwing out there or is it that hes just more online now . That could be the case. I think hes much more insulated than he has been before. Remember, in 2015, 16, what catapulted him to fame and acclaim in the far right was his championing of this Birther Lie about obama. And back then, he was talking with, you know, the notorious conspiracy theorist, jerome corsi, the God Father of the lie. That worked with the republican electorate. A lot of them believed in that because they didnt want to believe that obama fundamentally was an american. Migrants eating pets, i dont know what part of the psyche of The American electorate that taps into. I want to ask you about that, i know you have done a lot of reporting on the deep red maga world. Vaughn, you have too. Let me play a little bit of what Yamiche Alcindor was able to gather in springfield, ohio, after this allegation from the debate stage, and heres a little bit with a haitian immigrant advocate. What does it feel like to now have to deal with this trauma . Its hard on them. Its hard on them because they have to get a job, to settle down, to hear all of these false accusations. I can tell you, that its really hard on them. They are being more traumatized, not knowing what the future will hold for them. I keep thinking about an interview that i did in at The End of 2020, right before the election. I was in pennsylvania. And Donald Trump was going on about fraud, saying mailin ballots were fraud. And there was no way he could lose his election. If his supporters believed him, what would they do if he did, in fact, lose the election, and i spoke to one guy, and he told me he would be willing to take up arms, he could get violent. That happened. It seemed insane in the moment, but it happened a few months later, and if Donald Trump is out there, and j. D. Vance and Ted Cruz and republicans are out there, and theyre saying these haitian immigrants are eating your pets, how probably or worrying would it be that that online Fear Mongering comes out in a physical way . Right. I mean, this was a fear back then in 2016, in 2020. You know, the rights constant, very personal attacks on Latin American immigrants was going to result in, you know, some type of violent episode. I mean, lets not forget there was a Mass Shooting during Donald Trumps presidency at a walmart in El Paso, texas, by somebody who bought into, you know, this really crazy, just vile, you know, racist Conspiracy Theory against, you know, dark skinned people. Killed a couple of people, including a couple of parents, left an orphan, Donald Trump went down and took a picture with the baby. I know you have sound from the rally in arizona regarding this. What did they say . Reporter i want to let you listen to a little bit of the conversation i had with one of the trump supporters in tucson, when i asked about the eating Pets Narrative and when she heard it at the debate. Take a listen. When did you first hear about the Pet Eating Narrative . I read it on the article, on the news, online, and so when he threw that in, it sounded kind of really weird, but, i mean, i dont go by that, i go by the changes that hes making, what he says he does, and i like that about him. Reporter there was another woman that i talked to, katy, who said that she heard it for the first Time Out of Donald Trumps mouth on the stage, and instantaneously, she turned on her phone and searched and said she couldnt find anything to factually back it up. Theres a desire among these folks that even that sort of rhetoric was turning off to them. Theyre still going to vote for Donald Trump. We have heard Donald Trump, outside of a few Social Media posts and memes about cats and dogs, the only time we heard him verbally say it was at the debate stage. So often we have seen and heard over the years, sometimes these Conspiracy Theories, they take a while to seep in, and so thats why im interested to see where this goes in the days and weeks ahead because the trump supporters i was talking to in tucson, their initial reaction was a chuckle, a laugh, an uncomfortable, it was weird as you heard melinda describing it there, i wonder the extent Donald Trump persists with it. We have seen time and again, that these kind of lies and Conspiracy Theories, they slowly enter the bloodstream, and people become slowly over time more comfortable repeating and parroting it themselves. Well have to wait and see if its the same situation, about this narrative about migrants that is frankly a racist sentiment to suggest otherwise. The updated numbers, 67. 1 million viewers. Tuesdays debate, sorry. Vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. Jeremy, stick around. Joining us now, national Action Network President , reverend al sharpton, its really good to have you, as always. Lets talk about immigration. I read an interesting piece in the dispatch, and this is by the son of a pakistani immigrant, immigrants who grew up in the deep south, and he argues this is completely fair to have conversations about how immigration is changing a community. The effects its having. Changing the culture, et cetera. But that this story, that immigrants are eating pets is much darker and goes much further. Quote, consider this, he says, millions of people, and i just told you the number, millions of people now believe that immigrants are butchering their beloved cats and dogs. How will those people approach immigrants or people they think are immigrants, are we setting ourselves up for another buffalo or El Paso Mass Shooting. Which jeremy referenced a moment ago. Al, rev, what do you think . I think that it is absolutely the thing that is frightening to us. Im here in Washington Today at our National Action Network office, and yesterday was in the new york office, meeting with haitian leaders by zoom, that theres genuine concern about where this could go, including some violence. When youre telling people from a former President Of The United States giving credibility to this outright lie, this hallucination that there are haitian immigrants, theyre not just saying immigrants, theyre being specific. Haitian immigrants that are eating your animals, your pets, your cats, your dogs, youre setting up for somebody to do something that is horrific at worst. And at best, youre setting up a racist situation for haitian americans. Lets remember now, katy, that Donald Trump is the same one that called haiti and several african countries shole countries. He has a fixation with black countries and black people. He didnt just say migrants are eating your pets, haitian migrants. Any black, anyone of color in springfield, ohio, looks like a haitian walking down the street, you dont stop and take a test on their accents or look for their nationality. So this is a threat to all of us, and it should be taken as such. Which is why i have been talking to haitian leaders on how we should respond in unison, black and white. You have Laura Loomer, you have, over the years theres been theres so many i Cant Name them all. Nick fuentes, people who have been perpetuating racist or antisemitic Conspiracy Theories that Donald Trump has surrounded himself with. Hes been around them. The democrats have had a hard time uncoupling Donald Trump and whos hes surrounding himself with, i guess, the supporters, they argue hes a racist or say hes surrounding themselves with racists. Sometimes, or a lot of time, Donald Trump supporters will say, hey, what are you talking about . Screw you, im not a racist, im not a conspiracy theorist, youre denigrating me. How do the democrats point out, look who hes with, look what hes doing . Do you want to be associated with them . Without painting the entire Support System as racist or as xenophobic or antisemitic, et cetera. Well, i think clearly you have to point out to everyone that it is a threat throughout his career dealing with this. In the 70s he and his father were sued by the Justice Department, not by a civil rights group, Justice Department for racial discrimination, then you go to the late 80s where he took out an ad, 85,000 Ad Calling for the execution of five young black and brown men accusing them of the rape and the brutalizing of a vicious crime that happened to a young white female. All right. Fine. A lot of people felt they were guilty. They were coerced into confessions. But then dna proved that they were not The Ones, he wrote an oped saying, no, no, dont settle with them, they did it. And i think that this is the problem that youve got to be able to raise to his supporters. I also think when you look at the fact that you have a consistent entourage of holocaust survivors, antisemites, racists and autocracy, i dont care whos supporting him, how do you justify that this man is comfortable with that and his own actions. I do not think for the record that everybody that votes for Donald Trump is a racist. I do believe every racist will vote for Donald Trump. Hes using immigrants to go after minority voters, specifically black men, saying their taking black jobs. Is it effective . No, i think that when you look at the number of black that have voted for them, theyre not that much higher than they usually get with republicans. And i think that it is insulting when he says the black men, that they gravitate to him payoff his mug shots, which is rhetorically criminalizing black men. I think its insulting that he puts people up that have records from here back to new york and says that theyre The Ones that should be telling you to vote for. So i think that in many ways that the poll numbers theyre showing with black men are fantasies that will not go anywhere, and weve never had all blacks do anything. But the margins that he gets is no different than those that republicans have gotten in the past in many cases, and i think hes going to be more disappointed this time because of things like saying haitian immigrants are eating your cats and dogs, even black men that have whatever differences with the democrats dont want to see that kind of thing go, and he brought it to the president ial debate on a platform that millions of people were watching. Reverend al sharpton, thank you very much. And while it was pretty clear that vp Kamala Harris got the better of Donald Trump at the debate by calling out his fitness or office, Swing Voters still said they wanted more from her, specifically how she would be different than president biden. Joining us now in charlotte, North Carolina, Nbc News white House Correspondent mike memoli, Jeremy Peters is still with us as well. He has been speaking to Swing Voters. Mike, this event in charlotte, i hear its going to be a little bit earlier than expected. Whats she doing out there . Reporter The Way the Harris Campaign sees this moment, they finally have a little bit of runway. They have the convention behind them, the debate behind them. They want to build on what they feel is a lot of momentum coming from the debate to advance the case against Donald Trump at this moment. You can see that some of the paid advertising that they have been putting up, the first ad that they rel