The people who live there. Talk about extreme. Lover did Debate Prep for Donald Trump should be fired. Yes or no . Do you have a plan . I have become the concepts of a plan. There eating the dogs. They are eating the cats. Eat eat eat the cat. Bomb threats and school kids are being evacuated. Why are you no. The real threat is there. What is frightening is just about half the country is buying what he is selling. One person looked at this debate and decided they had seen enough is Taylor Swift. She says i will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and tim walz. This is the most important endorsement we have ever seen in a president ial campaign. If you are over 18 please register to vote. I believe we owe it to have another debate. We owe it to the voters. There will be no third debate. Give him a little break. That one left a mark. That one left a mark. Good evening once again. I am stephanie wu, and we are now 53 days away from the election. Voters are paying a lot more attention to what the candidates are actually saying. While Kamala Harris focuses on issues like reproductive rights and affordable childcare, Donald Trump and hiS Partner Go For Broke on Conspiracy Theories and big fat lies. Whether it is immigrants eating Household Pets to childless cat ladies ruining our country. All right. We have got a lot to cover. Hayes brown is here. Msnbc columnist. And Internet Reporter for cnbc news. And host of on the Tape Podcast Mary harris is back. What is next . All right. Over 67 Million people watch this weeks debate. That is a great sign for the american people. And one of the biggest headlines we are still talking about and i cannot believe we are because he will not stop talking about it is what is happening in springfield, ohio. Donald trump was at it again today. This ridiculous incident since that illegal immigrants are killing, stealing, and eating pets. Donald trump again is insisting it is true. How is this helping him with undecided voters . That is actually unanswerable. I do not think it is appealing to those people. It is appealing to people who believe a conspiracy theory. These are haitian immigrants who have temporary protected status. These are not illegal immigrants. You have what is happening in springfield. Jd vance tweeting they are spreading communicable diseases. The Department Of Health has said that is untrue. And the only thing that is happening frankly is Bomb Threats to local elementary schools. And a heartbroken father who has had to tell people to stop using as a prop. Just think about that. These realworld consequences. The Bomb Threats. The schools closing. Do they care . No. What i dont understand is what is the point of this . At the very base of what they are trying to do is say that because there is a high level of immigration to this country that is bad. And because Kamala Harris is in favor of open borders, which she is actually not. No democrat in office is actually in favor of fully open borders, but they argue though that anything that an immigrant does is the fault of all immigrants at thiS Point. So they are trying to make this very like basic argument about immigration. But because the people they are trying to reach and communicate with our in this rightwing bubble, they are just so in a little tour at mass amongst themselves were they cannot communicate with anyone outside of that bubble anymore. So they keep leaning into these weird racist memes and trying to bring attention to them in hopes of getting to the core issue. But probably turning off undecideds who are like i do not like people crossing the border illegally but what are you talking about. Is there a chance though that republicans are Donald Trump are getting his wish . People will dismiss the cat stealing and eating but people will now focus on immigration and there are people going, what, the town is overrun . The town is at Max Capacity . And the town is now focused on an Immigration Problem and we would not be talking about it this week unless he had pushed these lies. I think he picked the right state. He is going to win ohio. Arizona. So texas really doesnt work. It is something we have all become immune to. You know . The politics of Fear And Cruelty and that is something we have heard for nine years now. All it does is Fan Service for his base. 67 Million people watching. 34 Million are really jacked up about it and excited about it and that is a really great narrative for him. It only worked in 2016. In 2016 he ran on fear mongering, but he also won because he was somebody new and somebody different. By the 2018 midterms when he waS Pushing the caravan lie, the caravan lie, day in and day out up until the day of the midterms, those caravans never showed up and people never mention it again. Not enough of them will vote for him to win. Right. But he is on his heels now. When you mentioned 2018, he had the biggest upset in u. S. Politics. But then he became the biggest loser. Think about 2018, 2020, and 2022. It is over as far as a certain amount of people. There iS Probably 80 Million people who feel that way. We are talking about maybe 100 or 150,000 people. That is the game for the next 53 days. And you follow all that happens on the internet. We see the means going crazy over this internet conspiracy theory. But what does it take for him to stop because there are a lot of people who believe it . What will stop the Conspiracy Theories from going mainstream . Definitely not the memes. You cannot open tiktok without someone doing a Re Max of the eating the cat, eating the dog Sound Bite. So, what it is going to take is these Social Media Platforms having stronger fact checkers and more moderation. Elon Musk Today shared a Video Saying that their father did eat cats. So right now we are in a place where Social Media is still so unregulated. It is still the wild west. And these Conspiracy Theories will still run wild and they become a joke so they are funny but then they are repeated. Just that Sound Bite of the eating the cats, eating the dogs has been listened to on tiktok tens of millions of times. And it has been used in videos over 77,000 times. So we are just going to keep hearing these things repeated, repeated. Until a Tech Company or social Media Company will not even allow a joke of a conspiracy theory. Or should i say regulators. You have the hardest question. Why is this race still so tight . Kamala harris has endorsements from Aoc And Dick cheney. And Donald Trump cannot even see the center. Because you have enough people in enough states who are waiting to see what happens and who are trying to make the choice between, okay, do i go Kamala Harris even though i dont agree with her policies are Donald Trump even though i dont agree with him as a person. That is the question that just enough people and just enough states are asking themselves. But she knows this and her policies are more centrist than Joe Bidens. She hears that so she has moved to the center and what are Donald TrumpS Policies . Mass deportation and mega tariffs that will only hurt the economy . You know what, youre getting this question. Like, yes. Regulation lots of people in the Business World so what is it when they are like i dont know her well enough. So lower taxes. Deregulation. I think there is a really good chance not everybody is going to get their taxes lowered. Corporations are. The wealthiest americans. You want to expand the Child Tax Credit . Want to help people start businesses and buy homes . You are helping one side or the other. It is not like he has for lowering taxes. He is not. She has to get away from bidenomics and articulate how she will use tariffs in a way that will actually fend off China A Little Bit but not at the center of america, the Manufacturing Base here. Trump talks about tariffs like all that money is going to go into the Treasury Or Something like that. And it is actually very inflationary. If you look at the existing policies we have right now, we are keeping china at bay. Chinas economy is so bad right now and they actually had the potential to export deflation. Listen, a lot of people are really hurting right now. You know what is coming really hard . Crude oil has come in very hard. Interest rates are coming down right now. There are a lot of things that might end up being a tailwind for the u. S. Consumer. She has to focus on what is her plan to focus on some of the things that are coming around her way. You say it all the time. The Stock Market is not the economy. The Stock Market is at alltime highs right now. So if this was trump he would be saying you are welcome, america. The S P 500 has alltime highs. They are just not going to get into that game. They will focus on things that will help every day americans. Why does she have to explain herself down to every single policy and every word. Look what he said this week on healthcare . He has dumped on obamacare for nine straight years and his answer was i have concepts. Can you imagine if she said i have concepts. It felt so unfair. Kamala harris has to walk this line where she has to hold him to account and Donald Trump just has to not be openly racist. Why does he get this curve . What is this . Yeah. I mean, she has to but at the same time it does feel unfair. For young people, what is keeping them not voting get . Well, being really frustrated with the biden Administration And Feeling like Kamala Harris is an extension of the biden administration and truthfully that has a lot to do with israel in gaza. And some people not wanting to vote for trump because he is trump. So they are like i do not have a party in this. I dont have a dog in this fight so they do not want to get involved. Kamala harris is an extension of Biden And Trump is going to just ruin america. But that is obvious, stephanie. If they sit out they dont have a voice. So the young person who says, listen, i dont like her policies but i dont like hiS Personality. If they are saying i am very unhappy about Israel And Gaza do they know what he is going to do . A lot of people say it is Israel And Gaza and maybe things get a little better under Kamala Harris or gaza is wiped off the face of the earth under trump and there are people online who are trying to explain that. Neither situation iS Perfect for what some of these young people want but one issue a heck of a lot better than the other. You think he is going to relieve your Student Debt problems . Tell me what policies of his you are down with. I think we are seeing such a Vibe Space Election is a problem. People are especially young people are looking at who most represents me . Who is my avatar at thiS Point . Who is it i look at and say they are closest to me therefore they are who i like. I think that was trump uc many young people who are supporting him. They are like, he gets to say whatever he wants. He gets to troll people. He is endearing. Rich. No. No. By all measures, he is rich. I spent the week talking to Young Republicans who after the Taylor Swift endorsement i will talk about that later but they were telling me she cares about social issues like the lgbtq people but us Common Folk cannot afford food. We cannot afford housing. It is a terrible economy. These are young people and i do not know if they have had to deal with the full brunt of these issues but they see him as like a homebased die and her as wanting to like work on all these social issues and they feel like we do not have the ability to work on social issues. And i counter that to you . You know who talks about social issues and lgbtq issues the most . Republicans. Right . I dont even remember the last time i heard Kamala Harris talk about anything like that but i hear Jd Vance talk about it all the time. That is a politics of grievance. The young males. Just go back and look at the history of the Voting Block. They would like to get involved in these Culture Wars a little bit. But i dont know how if youre watching two nights of the dnc when they are up in milwaukee and she spoke on the Thursday Night and not really create some sort of separation between Joe Biden and what a lot of folks think about as the last 3 1 2 years in the stewardship she has had. She has done a great job of tapping back towards the center. Now, she has to articulate why she is not really progressive because biden had to tap into a more Progressive Stance and now she has the opportunity. She is articulate. Now she has to tell us what is her plan on immigration. What is her plan on the economy . She is destroying it right now. But she has to do that without diminishing enthusiasm that her nomination picked up in the base. That is the thing. Talking about her immigration plan. Like, how do you do that in a way that gets to the people who are actually worried about immigration and the state of things i want to think a broken system. Guess what . She did that last night at the debate. She talked about eating cats and she looked it and ate his lunch. Up next, trump says no more debates. Who does that actually help . Then we are talking about Taylor Swift. Kicking off another debate by the power of Celebrity Endorsements. Elebrity endorsements. 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If theres not a second debate you will not see her strongly perform like that against them. I saw a lot of Kamala Harris. I went to the dnc. This is actually my favorite format for