Some voting starts tomorrow. The fallout continues for Donald Trump following last Weeks President ial debate against Kamala Harris. Questions about how his campaign is being managed. Trumps peddling of Conspiracy Theories which was seen by more than 67 Million people just here in the United States has led to very real and some very scary consequences. Bomb threats and other threats of violence have disrupted the city of springfield, ohio after trump amplified unfounded racist allegations that haitian migrants were stealing peoples pets and eating. As a result, schools have closed. Hospitals were locked down and the citys Migrant Population has been on high alert. Trump has doubled down and continued to make yet more disparaging comments about springfields Haitian Community claiming theyve taken over and ruined the town. Serious questions need to be asked about how and why the republican president ial nominee and his Running Mate are pushing baseless fringe conspiracies in the first place. The exact origins are complex and almost entirely based in racism, not in fact. Neo nazis had a hand in pushing the false claims on Social Media and messaging platforms and they consider it a success that Donald Trump promoted the story during a high profile event. As one Neo Nazi User on gab wrote quote, this is what real power looks like. End quote. Take a look at this woman. The lies about springfield were spread by her. Laura loomer, a prominent far right figure best known for her attention seeking political stunts who has deep connections to the far right Fringe Movement in america. She was spotted exiting trumps plane. Was part of his entourage on tuesday which raised concerns she was one of the people who brought the haitian Migrant Rumor to the former president s attention. Following day she attended 9 11 Memorial Ceremonies in New York and pennsylvania with trump and his team even though loomer has pushed offensive Conspiracy Theories that 9 11 was an inside job. Not the first time that trump has met with controversial figures from the fringes of the far right. Most infamous example is probably when he dined at mara lago with nick fuentes. After that dinner he claimed he knew nothing about fuentess background. He said that about David Duke as well. Trump cant make the same excuse for loomer whom trump has known for many years. Shes been a Lightning Rod for controversy. Her provocative antics and offensive remarks are well documented and widely reported. Loomer is a selfdescribed proud proud. Her one year later twitter banned her for violating the platforms rules after she posted a tweet. Her account has since been reactivated on x thanks to elon musk. One of trumps Billionaire Backers who seems to have little issue with hateful content and posts and promotes questionable content himself. Now just days before she traveled with trump to philadelphia for the debate last week, Laura Loomer published a post that read in part if Kamala Harris wins the White House will smell like curry and White House speeches will be facilitated via a call center. End quote. Call centers being a reference to the fact that many american companies have outsourced their Call Centers to companies in india. This is about Kamala Harris asian background. That post was rebuked by republicans like the South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham and somewhat surprisingly by the Georgia Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene who called loomers post appalling and extremely racist. When Marjorie Taylor Greene thinks youve gone too far, youve really lost your way. But heres the thing. Laura loomer may be a Fringe Figure to the larger american Public But Trump and his Team Know who she is. Last Year Trump wanted to give her a role on his campaign but his aides raised concerns about her checkered past which is really saying something. They were able to stop him from hiring her. That makes it all the more baffling and troubling that trumps team allowed a far right Racist Provocateur like loomer to become associated with the campaign at this critical juncture in the election. Its no secret why trump keeps Backing Loomer and bringing her back into the fold. Shes exactly the sort of sycophant whom trump would love to have. A devout loyalist who would help him carry out his plan no matter how extreme. Joining me now the host of the dino badala show. Hes an attorney, a columnist. Author of the deans report. And Jason Stanley a professor of philosophy. The author of the brand new book erasing history how fascists rewrite the past to control the future which ill be talking about him separately after this. Welcome to both of you. Thank you for being here. When Laura Loomer surfaced this week and she surfaces a lot, i thought of you immediately. Youve written about her. You know a lot about her history. She may not be a well known figure to a lot of americans but shes well known to you. Theyre lucky not to know her. Isnt it nice they can find themselves. Its like the golden bachelor. A special episode. He hands her a White Hood or she hands him a White Hood. I dont know whats going on with them. Whats alarming and theres rumors theyre having an affair. That means nothing. Its that hes hang out with a bigot. So much hateful garbage about immigrants. About Vice President harris. But heres the reality. I think people are making too much of a distinction. Theres not much daylight between Donald Trump and Laura Loomers views and Jd Vances views. Why is the gop going in the future . A Mitt Romney Party . No, its going to be a Laura Loomer type of party. Antimuslim bigot. Donald trump. Demonizing black people. Donald trump. Its one box after the other. So she is where a lot of the energy was. She ran in 2022 for the republican nomination in florida. Just barely lost to a five time incumbent republican. Thats where the energy is. The reason we have to cover it is because shes where this party is going. Shes maga mainstream. That should be clear. The interesting thing there was pressure we are hearing from inside the Trump Campaign not to have her come close to it thats something. When the people inside the Trump Campaign are worried that someones going to take them too far. When Marjorie Taylor Greene says shes outrageous. Whats this telling you that she seems to be central to this . When you start pushing on that window of the far right its really hard to keep it where it is. And thats what were seeing right now. Were seeing this Campaign Lean entirely into great Replacement Theory. Thats 100 what this campaign is about. So when you are leaning into great Replacement Theory you need to bring in the great replacement theorist. The ones who are loudest about it. The most explicit Version Nick fuentes is jews are bringing in immigrants to undermine the white race and christianity. But lets be clear, great Replacement Theory was behind the Ku Klux klan. Behind the national socialists run for office. It justifies violence. We can expect horrific violence against immigrants if trump comes into power again. The likes of which this country has not seen in decades, if ever. And great Replacement Theory justifies violence on the individual level. We have numerous mass murders that have occurred since 2011 justified by great Replacement Theory. Its not the government doing it. Its not even trump doing it. Its just you put it out there and people hear these messages, internalize them and commit their own violence. Absolutely. So thats what weve got. Weve got motivations. If you tell people the nation is under an existential crisis of its identity being destroyed by immigration, and these immigrants are somehow criminal and savage and supposedly eat pets but somehow get it together every couple years to show up en masse to vote. Trump said they dont really speak english but somehow theyre really organized on voting day. Exactly. Its a completely incoherent genocidal Conspiracy Theory that is the basis on which theyre running the election. And history tells us that when elections are run on this basis it is neither good for the country nor it never ends well. This is why were having this discussion. This is not a bash trump conversation. Im bored with that. If you are undecided because we have ting that indicates people are undecided or some people of sane mind are going to support Donald Trump. You need no know what youre voting for. Shes an islamophobe. Nick fuentes is an antisemite. Theyre all in the same rooms together. Its remarkable because shes jewish but shell hang out with Holocaust Deniers because it it serves some purpose. Islam hates us. He called for a ban. What was the result in the real world . We had the highest number of Hate Crimes against muslim americans. Worse than after 9 11. Think about that. Because of trump. We had muslim women hearing hijabs getting beaten up. We had mosques with the Word Trump written on the wall. We had bullying of muslim students. My heart goes out to immigrants in general. The Haitian Community. This two for one lie with Donald Trump targeting black immigrants. Thats so much the fuel of maga going after black people and going after immigrants. We have haitian immigrants. Theres no responsibility. Look, at this point you have to know who trump is. If youre voting for trump, youre down with this. I will not give you theres no quarter. You are down with racism, bigotry. Plus an attempted coup and a January 6th terrorist attack. People like that i view as traitors. I know people disagree. Thats how i view them. There have been schools closed, hospitals locked down, there was a bomb threat. This is real. Lets talk about great Replacement Theory for a second. Its a concept. You need to understand it. Theres no better way to explain it than what trump did with springfield, ohio. Like many industrial cities in the midwest it was sort of a hollowed out city. A lot of hispanics and latinos moved in and created a really vibrant economy. They started that. Springfield, ohio got factories. It was burned out. They needed people. They got people. They tended to be immigrants. Theres a very large population of immigrants in springfield, ohio. Thats the thing that to me as an Economics Guy i think oh wow, they built up a community that was downtrodden. But for white supremacists and white nationalists thats the great Replacement Theory. They replaced the white people. Thats right. Its all about residences, myths and narratives. You build up this picture of a mythic past. A great mythic past when white people were dominant culturally, politically, numerically. You take the base that one of the bases youre looking for. The white Working Class because the Billionaire Class always separates the white Working Class from the black Working Class. A story as old as america itself. Post civil war. So you focus on the white Working Class and you say your iconic places springfield, ohio. The iconic places of the white Working Class are being replaced by nonwhites. So you juice white nationalism among that base. You juice christian nationalism which is multiracial, of course. By targeting muslims. But then going after haitian immigrants is particularly resonant in american history. Trump is always reaching back for these residences of corrupt black voters. Haiti had the only successful Slave Revolution in history. Haitians have been paying for that forever. And so that kind of resonance to haiti. I believe that those are just slumbering, waiting to be evoked. Donald trump is quite skillful at that. Thanks to both of you. I want you tow stick around. You have a remarkable new book. Im not going. Youre going to stay there . May not be here when we start the section next segment. Jason stanley is going to talk about his new book. More velshi after the break. E. Question. If you cant see whats behind all this, how do you already know, its jeep . Probably the same way you know if a trex is chasing a jeep wrangler. Is getting away. Yep or if it takes you places that make you say, woah. And their Hair Looks like this. Or someone says, the doors come off. 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Yet it is so dove tailed with exactly the things were talking about in Todays President ial election. This concept of rewriting history. It has been tried and true. It has worked the world over and Donald Trump isnt as incoherent as some of his speeches are. He knows this. You can rewrite history. Repeat fallacies and some people will believe you and perhaps lots of people will believe you. Thats right. Trump is running this election on the basis of great Replacement Theory. The idea that what made America Great was its white christian founders. Christianity. Whiteness. Men. These are the things that make America Great. If you have a history curriculum, that sort of obliterates The Agency of Black Americans. That obliterates the history of xenophobia. You dont know about the ways in which immigrants or how hitler picked up those ideas. If you just learn about the great achievements of white men then youre going to be misled into thinking that oh, america was great and america was innocent and so if these immigrants come they will destroy our greatness. If were confronted by black history or indigenous history then it will more this history, this sense were innocent. Trump is running a campaign on the basis of aggrievement. Of grievance. By having these attacks on our public schools and universities that were seeing of course with an aspiring autocrat like Desantis In Florida but across southern states and 20 states and more in the country. That are attacking black history. That are attacking the history of labor. Of labor unions. That are attacking our own history of indigenous genocide. That are attacking the concepts of the structural racism so we cant understand our country. This allows stereotypes to breed. If you dont have an accurate history. If you dont know why many cities have poor black neighborhoods and wealthy white ones guarded by militarized police, then youre going to lean into stereotypes. About laziness and those sorts of things that are false stereotypes. That if you learn history and learn about mortgage red lining, Black Americans werent allowed. This is in effect of that. I have this velshi banned book club. One of the books weve done was 1984. You talk about control of information in your book. You say its central aspect of control of power in the preface you write by removing the history of uprisings from the curriculum or never allowing that history to be taught in the first place, authoritarians leave students with the impression that the Status Quo has never been and cannot be challenged. Now you are a professor so you live in this world of you must challenge. If you are at a university. The only job of you and your students is to constantly challenge, argue, debate and come to new conclusions. Universities are the primary target of authoritarians. Will the first target. The courts, the schools and the universities. We see the universities are denounced as antinational. As traitorous because theyre questioning this national narrative of national greatness. In india when the University Students protested for muslim equality these nonviolent protests were attack violently by police. The Universities Victor or ban kicked the best university out of hungary. What were seeing now in