Include golf. The problems that they will have to add resources that continue to be out in the open to ensure, even drones, particularly, to ensure they got the area covered and they feel safe that they are not within proximity of a sniper shot. Stay with us and for all of you joining us here. We are at the top of the Hour. 3 00 p. M. Here on the east coast. Critical news that happened about one Hour and five or 10 minutes ago in West Palm Beach, florida, while on the trump international Golf Course, the Secret Service stepped in because they heard gunshots. They do not know if this was a target for former President Donald Trump are not. There is no confirmation of that, but of course, in the effort to have safety around the former president , they whisked him away. This is what were getting from the Secret Service. They have taken him someplace safe. We do not know if you someplace within the trump international Golf Course, located in West Palm Beach but that is in close proximity to maralago which is in Palm Beach proper. He may have had access to an armored vehicle. And traveled back to his home. Certainly over the years, they have established safe rooms for the former president , both during his tenure as president and since. Were not sure of his whereabouts we know that Secret Service says he is safe and that he was not harmed. Again we have to reiterate that we do not know if he was an intended target to. We do not know what kind of a gun was used. Frank figliuzzi, formerly of the fbi and now is national Security Analyst with us, suggest the fbi will certainly be able to figure out what it is but the secret Service Agent might be trained well enough to know if this is a rifle, if it is a gun, there is no description yet differentiating gap between the two. We are going to try to get to the bottom of all of this. We have the Palm Beach County Sheriff will be having a News Conference at some time soon to inform us on what they have found. Back to you, frank. Lets talk about drones. Do think that would already be in effect right now, drones in the area looking for somebody or more than one person . Again, we have no idea of the source yet of these gunshots, nor do we know if it was plural. We do not know if it was more than one. Drones are the future of Law Enforcement. In fact, in many areas, they are the present. There counties right now in america whose first response to a 911 call is to send a drone. They get there faster and get through traffic. They can survey the House Or Business and they can go back to the responding officers. Secret service has said after butler, pennsylvania, we need an increased use of drones. The first drones that go up, if indeed there going up and i would recommend they are, would be from Palm Beach County Sheriff. Again the advanced Sheriffs Department is used to a lot of this. Secret service may or may not have it on the ground. In West Palm Beach, on the ground may not have them available, of course. Buts, the sheriff certainly would, as with they have helicopters and aircraft. I think that is happening now. I think there might even be a call to go out to say, if you heard something, to the public, if you heard something, if you heard the gunshots, please lets call in. Let us know what you know. Theres always the possibility that this was something that sounded a lot like a gunshot, but theyre not quite certain. Again, im confident that when agents think they hear a gunshot, it is probably a gunshot but i will also offer this, if somebody really wanted to target Donald Trump, which sadly, We Saw just recently, this kind of haphazard random, ineffective thing, would be unlikely to happen. If someone truly has planned and thought about this, they would be much closer and there would be no doubt that this was a targeted situation. So, if i were forced to engage in conjecture here, i would say this may not be related at all to Donald Trump. Okay. I do wanted to say that we are getting some reaction online. I am comfortable reading that which Lindsey Graham has posted. Dust Mite Executive producers to check on that which one of the former President S sons has posted which takes a lot further and offers information we cannot verify. But what Lindsey Graham says is just spoke with President Trump. He is one of the strongest people i have ever known. He is in good spirits and he is more resolved than ever to save our country. Lindsey graham has posted that, as you can see, atop the Press Release from the trump vance campaign. That was from the Trump Campaign Communications Director Sankey is a following gunshots in his vicinity. No further details of his time. Im hesitant to read what else has been posted, but i will leave that to our standards to double check on that. So, let me bring back in jake traylor. And even covering the Trump Campaign. Do you know if Theres Anything that has changed as a result of this in terms of the former President S plans for campaigning . Are you getting any word on that . Because lets face it, places that are open Air Present a level of concern these days. We saw what happened in july with him and what has potentially happened today, if, indeed, he was a target. That has not been established. What are you hearing about his plans . At the moment we are not hearing too much from the campaign and We Saw, of course, this is a different situation than in july when We Saw for short an attempted assassination against the former president but for a few Hours we would have almost a Media Or Campaign blackout were we were trying to get more information from the campaign and you to safety and caution, we were not learning a lot. That seems to be a bit of the case right now. We know the former president was taken to a safe place. We do know that, despite these shots which have not been independently verified yet, the president is safe and no contact was made whatsoever. But in terms of what the week ahead looks like in terms of Battleground States that he was going to visit. He was going to go to michigan and North Carolina and New York and d. C. We have not heard if theres going to be a shakeup to the Campaign Schedule yet. Over the past few weeks, ever since the attempted assassination in july, we have seen a Ramp Up Insecurity from the Secret Service. Former President Trump has had significantly less outdoor rallies since it took place. The outdoor rally he did hosted Bulletproof Glass in front of him. Wishing ramped up measures to protect the former president and to keep Him Safe. We do not know how this impacts campaigning going forward. We are continuing to learn more there. Okay. All right. Again, this is very fluid and im getting conflicting reports, so in an effort to exercise caution and only state the facts, the few that we have at this time, im going to refrain from reporting other things were seeing posted online. Lets get to aaron gilchrist. Hes at the White House, and see if there getting any more information. The Secret Service will be passing on what they know to the White House. Anything new from your Vantage Point . Reporter alex, at this point, nothing new is coming through the White House on what has developed here and you have been noting it, we have covered these sorts of breaking situations. We have covered Breaking News involving shots fired in lots of different scenarios over the years and so, the flow of information sometimes is such that there are lots of streams coming from different directions and sometimes it do not cross and end up going into one place. Were trying to make sure we are Feting Information that is coming into us before we share any of that on television. What we have been able to learn from the united states Secret Service, which in charge of Safety And Security for former President Trump and all former President S, is before 2 00 this afternoon, there was an incident near where the former president was at a Golf Course in West Palm Florida and the Secret Service working with the Palm Beach County Sheriffs office has been investigating the incident since roughly 2 00 this afternoon and really, the important thing here is from their perspective, the former president is safe and at this point, the task for the Secret Service and local Law Enforcement is to piece together exactly what unfolded here to figure out exactly what was heard and why and in this case, the reporting had been from the Trump Campaign that it was gunshots in the vicinity. The activity now for Law Enforcement is to piece together moment by moment exactly what happened, how it unfolded, who might have been involved. We know in this case that the former president was not hurt but there are questions whether there was in Fact Gunfire or hu these are questions in the ether at this point in time to different sources, trying to get information about trying to answers to those very questions. I think right now, as you noted, we are in sort of a Holding Pattern to make sure that we get information that is coming down one stream and flows together and makes sense as we are learning about this incident that was at least in the vicinity of former President Trump. 100 . Stay where you are and let us know if you get anymore information officially from the White House on this. Rob damico is joining us. Give me a sense of how this goes down. Plant two different scenarios. The first is that the former president is there on the Golf Course, a shot is heard, tell me what happens, what exactly happened to this kind of the situation . Right that the Secret Service immediately gets him to the emergency extract plan. What ever they had on there, they probably have the Golf Carts ready, but the probably had armored suburbans fairly close. As soon as they hear gunfire, if they heard it and they think they will just act on and figured out later. The get into the armored vehicle. That is the first thing they do. Get him in an area that we call a harder target then they start looking at moving him to wherever. At that point the trying to figure out where the gunfire came from because you dont want to drive out towards it. You want to drive away from it. The fact that they are on the Golf Course, they have a lots of open area so getting to the vehicle, if youre not sure where the gunfire came from, they probably have a good indication on sound, maybe far off, maybe closer, it depends on what kind of gunfire. They will get him to the Emergency Hardened Targets and extract him and they will have the stay behind agents cornet with Law Enforcement to figure out what happened. By then, he is on route to his Location And Everyone at the location, probably maralago, is now in a lockdown because hes coming back, probably in an emergency, theyre starting to toughen up that target. They may stuff stopped traffic around it. They might have a plan to get him in without having to stop at all. That is kind of what is happening at that time. Get him out, get Him Safe, get him out and figure out what is going on later. They will assume it was a targeted because you want to assume the worst before you start getting evidence that it was not the worst. Is Golf Course is out by the airport. There are some neighborhoods around there that again, i think the more likelihood is there was probably gunshots outside the Golf Course involving Something Else, not targeted, and they are just taking, based on Everything Else come the most prudent the safest route for the former president. Let me ask you. Your familiarity with Secret Service protocol. The first scenario that you described, 100 makes sense. You had also guessed that the Secret Service does advanced sweeps before a president gets anywhere. Of course they will do that. The question is, with a conduct and advanced sweep of the Golf Course yesterday . Early this morning . Might they do it hole by hole. Could they be three or four holes ahead to make sure that everything is clear . Is that a possible scenario . Absolutely. Since he goes there, theyve done the initial assessment and when they find out he is going to go there and play again, the day before or a day or two before, they will go out make sure everything to have the plan is still in the plan. Road closures and fences and all of those things that you are counting on, you want to go back and verify. Somebody probably went out a day or two beforehand and verify that in nature that they know who is on security during the day. Probably talk to the Police Sergeant who is going to be on shift that day. Then, before he goes out, and advanced team goes out and secure where he will come into and as you talk about, as youre playing golf and are around 18 holes, have the Incident Team and enclosed team and you probably have a team maybe a hole or two before him, keeping an eye on them because theyre within a hole of him and maybe someone out further and someone behind. Again, as We Saw in pennsylvania, the Danger Area is a small arms range, so ar 15, without sites, is probably 200 to 400 yards. With sites, could be further than you are looking at, if youre looking at a Scope Type of sniper rifle, you are looking at 800 or 900 yards. All in that. What is nice with the Golf Course is you dont have a lot of high buildings within that. That take some of the other threats out. They have looked at all of that and have it in a book and every time they go to that, they will brief the team on it. As you talk about all of those things happening in different modes and then again, when a goes down, it is emergency, get him out and get Him Safe. Okay. There are trees, there are things around which they have to move when there on the Golf Course. Any number of interesting sorts of topography there that you can look at as well besides the beautiful Open Spaces. Lets go back to the White House. You have an official statement from the White House for us . We just just got the statement from the White House say the President And Vice president had been briefed about the Security Incident at the trump international Golf Course were former President Trump was golfing. There relieved to know that he is safe. They will be kept regularly updated by their team. President biden is here at the White House. He had gone to his home in delaware earlier in the weekend and returned here late yesterday afternoon. There was an event last night. He is here at the White House. Vice president harris is in washington as well, not on the campaign trail today. Was something of this nature happens, the National Security teams and Homeland Security teams would step in and update them on the information they have available. Im glad to get the official statement. Thank you. Continue standing by. Lets go to Tom Winter. Is joining us on the phone. What is latest that you know . Do we have tom connected . We just lost him. Will try to get him back. I had been told that he was going in and out so maybe he is on the move and we hope he can establish a good connection. Were seeing some notes from him but the information to be shared to be best coming from him. So we have the former Secret Service Special Agent and an msnbc Law Enforcement analyst. Thank you for joining us so quickly. I was asking a former fbi official, a couple of them, in fact, about what would go down immediately. The scenario we are playing is a Golf Course. A former president of the Golf Course, a Gun Shot is heard of some sort that they believe to be gunshots. Tell me what happens initially and i will pose a second scenario for your. Where would Donald Trump have been taken immediately . The first scenario, Golf Course, think of Open Space. There is a very limited place for you to hide. Out in the field and im thinking immediately you want to take him and remove him and evacuate him. You might want to hunker down, too find someplace you can shield. Typically the cars will be nearby. The cars are ballistic and some nature so that is the first place you want to try to get him to go so shield where the shots are coming from. Can remove him . Is he secure enough to move . If you can move him, go to the vehicles. The x is a place where you think the danger exists. If the shots or even in the distance you are still exposed and you do not know what the scenario is. You do not place outside the perimeter of security, what is happening there. To follow up with your second question, where else can you take them . In emergency scenarios, once you get him of the vehicles coming or two at a place we can remove yourself completely from that environment. You want to try to avoid hunkering down. If there is a nearby building, lets say where you are at the Golf Course, you can put him into something called a hard room. A hard room is a room that does not typically have windows and has one way in and one way out. Why do we want that . You want one point of Entry And Exit which means i can take the president and put him in the room and the only Avenue Or Area i have to protect is that one way in and one way out. That is the barrier. The agents posted and armed and prepared to fight if they need to do that. That is the most secure thing to do. Lets go back and say i am able to evacuate the president. I would want to take him away from that area, away from the area of gunshots, if i can. In a scenario like that, i have some options. One option is to take him to a local police precinct. I did that once in the past with one of my protect these when the power went out in New York city. We dont know if it was a terrorist attack. I had a protectee with me at the time. That is when avenue. The term the uses Safe Houses. It is a Safe House to take your protectee to. You taken to hospital if you need to go that route. That is another secure area and often, at the hospitals, there is already an agent there in advance. There is already somebody posted there so if there is an emergency, there prepared to receive it and stop by there. You ideally want to secure him until you know exactly what is going on. President, or any protectee, for that matter, i