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MSNBC The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell September 19, 2024

Of Amber Nicole Thurman, which were also talking about in this hour. I am eager to hear that and that is important framing for this moment. Have a good show. Well, they got what they wanted. The 278yearolds, former republican president s who appointed the majority of republican supreme Court Justices who overturned Roe Versus Wade got what they wanted. Sometimes when you get what you want, more things than you anticipate come with it. It is possible that the people who worked to elect george w. Bush to the presidency, a job for which is only qualification is that his father once had that job, knew that george w. Bush said he wanted to ban Abortion In America by overturning Roe Versus Wade but maybe they thought that would just never happen. Maybe president george w. Bush and the people working for him and supporting him thought that when he appointed Samuel Alito to the Spring Court maybe he was not choosing a republican supreme Court Justice who would overturn Roe Versus Wade. Previous republican supreme Court Justices had refused to overturn Roe Versus Wade. George w. Bush had even more reason to think it possible that John Roberts would not overturn Roe Versus Wade when he appointed John Roberts to beef be chief justice. In fact, John Roberts voted to overturn Roe Versus Wade and assigned the writing of the opinion to Samuel Alito. The entire world knew that all three of general trumps supreme Court Justices would overturn Roe Versus Wade because he said during his president Ial Campaign that he would only appoint justices who would overturn Roe Versus Wade. No other president ial candidate had ever said that. The standard Campaign Line from republicans about supreme Court Justices before Donald Trump was that they had no Litmus Test. That was the phrase, no Litmus Test for supreme Court Justices even though george w. Bush made it clear that he personally opposed Roe Versus Wade, he never said that it was a requirement for justices appointed by him to overturn Roe Versus Wade. That would just was Donald Trumps intemperate innovation and it won Donald Trump the White House because extreme antiabortion voters did not trust Donald Trump on abortion for very good reason. They heard the replay of his comments to Howard Stern about how disappointed he was in 1993 when his girlfriend told him she was pregnant with the child who would become his second daughter. Donald trump told Howard Stern that when he heard his girlfriend tell him this, this is what he said. You know at the time, it was like excuse me, what happened . Then i said what are we going to do about this . She said are you serious . The most beautiful day of our lives. I said oh great. But isnt that wonderful . What are we going to do about this . There are only two options. An abortion or a baby. Donald trump made it very clear on Howard Stern that he got the answer he did not want to hear. The girlfriend was going to have the baby. That is how she became the second mrs. Donald trump with the shortest tenure as a trump wife. We have no idea how Donald Trump felt when the third mrs. Donald trump broke the news to him that she was pregnant with his third son. Men in 20 states are not allowed to ask women, what are we going to do about this . When a woman tells them she is pregnant. Not anymore. Donald trump took that away. He took away that conversation from those people. Donald trump took away the rights that enabled him to say to his girlfriend, what are we going to do about this, when she was pregnant. Donald trump is telling american men, you dont get to have the option that i always had whenever anyone told me she was pregnant. Donald trump can say what are we going to do about this every single time. To a wife or girlfriend. And now, people are dying. Women are dying. The choices made by george w. Bush and Donald Trump are now killing people. Propublica is now reporting about the death of a 28yearold woman in georgia who died because of what george w. Bush and Donald Trump did to her when they appointed those supreme Court Justices. Anna Nicole Thurman was a 28 yearold Medical Assistant who was the mother of a sixyear old boy and the choices made by george w. Bush and Donald Trump and the republican supreme Court Justices and republican politicians in georgia, using the tools that those supreme Court Justices gave them killed her. Propublica reports, in her final hours, Amber Nicole Thurman suffered from a Grave Infection that her suburban Atlanta Hospital was well equipped to treat. She had taken Abortion Pills and encountered a rare complication. She had not expelled all of the fetal tissue from her body. She showed up at the Piedmont Henry Hospital in need of Routine Procedure to clear it from her uterus, called at dilation anD Curettage, or dmc. Just that summer, her state had made performing the procedure a felony with few exceptions. George w. Bush, in his silent retirement in texas, made that routine medical procedure a felony. Donald trump is proud to have overturned Roe Versus Wade in claiming he had nothing to do with making a Routine Procedure like a d and see a felony. Amber Nicole Thurman would be alive tonight if the Supreme Court had not handed the 2000 president ial election to george w. Bush. Without george w. Bushs appointees to the Supreme Court , Amber Nicole Thurman would be alive tonight. She would be a healthy, happy mother of her young son, who was forced by george w. Bush and Donald Trump to attend his Mothers Funeral when i was six years old my mother had the same procedure Amber Nicole Thurman needed to live. My mother had given birth to five children but she kept going. She was trying to have a sister for her only daughter, trying for one more, and she suffered a miscarriage and she routinely had a D C at a hospital in boston because D C has nothing to do with abortion. None of the catholic nuns teaching me at my Elementary School then that my Mother Shouldve not had that procedure. Our beloved Monsignor Brantley know that when mothers and saint Brendans Parish had miscarriages that dr. Should give me whatever treatment they needed. Antiabortion catholic doctors perform that procedure routinely. There was not a single irish catholic politician in boston including the mayor and the District Attorney who ever tried to interfere with that medical procedure. Their sisters were having that procedure. Their daughters were having that procedure routinely and antiabortion boston because it has nothing to do with abortion, nothing. For a politician to interfere with that procedure, and killed killed my mother when i was six years old, whos going to tell that boy . Whos going to tell that sixyearold how his mother died and who is really responsible . The D C procedure was routine in many areas of the country long before abortion was legal. Outlawing that procedure is sheer madness, criminal madness, murderous madness. Outlawing the D C procedure is as insane as outlined in vitro fertilization, which antiabortion republicans want to do. Ivf has nothing to do with abortion but every republican, every single one of them in the united States Senate Today except for two, two women republican senators, they stood up, they voted against the bill to guarantee the legality of ivf in all 50 states. The bill required 60 votes to pass the Senate Today. It got 51. And 44 republicans playing politics with reproduction voted against it, and that was enough to kill the bill. That minority in the senate was enough to kill the bill, the will of the american people and the will of the united states senate. Donald trump insists that he personally is in favor of ivf but he did not order his Vice President ial Candidate Senator Jd Vance to return to the Senate Today and vote for that bill. I think its unfortunate to someone myself who ran for president , i would try my best to be back for very important votes. I think Kamala Harris has had to be back to break ties throughout the last few years, changed her schedule, be there. Unfortunate that Jd Vance is not here to vote. I dont know if he is going to be but it appears that this will be a moment for them to really show that they stand by their words, and that is that they want to see ivf continue. Amber Nicole Thurman would be alive tonight if Donald Trump did not win the Electoral College in 2016. Donald trump increased the republican majority of the united states Supreme Court and started the Clock Ticking on Amber Nicole Thurmans life. They got what they wanted. George w. Bush and Donald Trump overturned Roe Versus Wade and now Amber Nicole Thurman is dead. The Propublica Report continues. Any doctor who violated the new Georgia Law could be prosecuted and face up to a decade in prison. Thurman waited in pain in a hospital bed, worried about what would happen to her six yearold son. As doctors monitored her infection spreading, her Blood Pressure sinking in her organs beginning to fail thanks to george w. Bush and Donald Trump, for the very first time, american doctors believed that they were under a legal order made possible by the united states Supreme Court to watch a patients infection spread, to watch a womans Blood Pressure sink, to just watch her organs fail. Because george w. Bush and Donald Trump got what they wanted. George w. Bush and Donald Trump were not in the Operating Room to watch Amber Nicole Thurman die. None of these supreme Court Justices whose decision forced her to die were there to watch their legal scholarship in action. None of the georgia republican politicians who wrote the law that killed Amber Nicole Thurman had to watch her die in the Operating Room under the sentence of death that they gave her. The doctors and the nurses who were trying to save her life working under a law that could send them to prison where the only people there to watch her die. Imagine what those doctors and nurses felt and what they feel tonight. The Propublica Report continues. It took 20 hours for doctors to finally operate. By then it was too late. The otherwise healthy 28year old Medical Assistant who had her sights set on Nursing School should not have died. When officials take community recently concluded the experts, including 10 doctors, deemed her case preventable and said the Hospitals Delay in performing the critical procedure had a large impact on her fatal outcome. The report does not mention George W Bush or Samuel Alito or John Roberts. The report does not mention Donald Trump or Gossage Or Brett Kavanaugh Or Amy Coney Barrett but there is no moral diagram of this crime against humanity that does not include all of those names. At the president ial debate with Kamala Harris that Donald Trump lost, Donald Trump praised the supreme Court Justices who overturned Roe Versus Wade for their quote, his words, genius, heart, and strength. In fact, those justices are morally weak, Heartless Fools who got what they wanted. Of course both george w. Bush and Donald Trump were just playing politics with abortion when they were running for president but because they are both fools on the subject, what they did with their president ial power in overturning Roe Versus Wade has produced outcomes that truly neither one of them would have wanted shirley. We dont know if george w. Bush knows about the death of Amber Nicole Thurman. It seems unlikely that he would. But, it also seems likely that george w. Bush who i have never met, would have the Human Capacity to feel very badly about what happened to Amber Nicole Thurman and about her sixyearold son growing up without her mother. When it mattered, george w. Bush did not care at all what could happen in the lives of real people because of the way he played politics with abortion. It surely never crossed his mind who could die because of his political choices on abortion. We know for absolute certainty that Donald Trump is a publicly raging Narcissistic Sociopath utterly incapable of convincingly demonstrating the ability to feel sorry for anyone except himself. There actually is no public evidence that if you put Donald Trump in the Operating Room watching Amber Nicole Thurman die, that in that moment he would feel badly for anyone except himself for being forced to watch it. They got what they wanted. And as was predicted to them, and the country for 50 years, if they got what they wanted, people would die. Women would die. Mothers would die. We have no comment from george w. Bush tonight about how good he feels about getting what he wanted. No comment from george w. Bush about the death by judicial execution of Amber Nicole Thurman. Now, tonight from Donald Trump about the death of Amber Nicole Thurman. Donald trump remains more concerned about the imaginary eating of cats and dogs than he does about a single Woman Or Girl who has been harmed or killed or forced to carry a child because of him. They got what they wanted. Today the Vice President of the united states said this. Understand what is happening in our country. Over 20 states have passed what i call Trump Abortion bands because i understand how we got here. The former President Hand picked three members of the united states Supreme Court with the intention they would undo the protections of roe v. Wade. They did as he intended and in state after state, laws have been passeD Criminalizing healthcare providers. I dont know if anyone here has heard most recently the stories out of georgia. Tragic story about a young woman who died because it appears the people who should have given her healthcare were afraid they would be criminalized after the Dobbs Decision came down. Laws that make no exception even for or incest which means you are telling the survivor of a crime of a violation to their body that they have no right to make a decision about what happens to the body next, which is a moral. An approach that does not take into account that most people i think agree you dont have to abandon your faith or deeply held beliefs to agree that government should not be telling her what to do with her body. If she chooses she will talk with her pastor, per priest, her rabbi, but it should not be the government or Donald Trump telling her what to do about her own body and her life. That is where i stand. We need to put back in place the protection of roe v. Wade and put that into law. We need to put back in place the protections of roe v. Wade and let an individual in consultation with her doctor, make the decision based on what she can determine because she is smart enough to know whats in her best interest instead of having her government tell her what to do, especially a bunch of people in the state capitals who think theyre in a better position to tell her what to do than she is to know whats in her best interest. Joining us there was michigan democratic Party Chair barnes. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. One thing i have been wondering about michigan voters is when Donald Trump lied to them in the debate and said that we all wanted Roe Versus Wade to be overturned, which is to say he was lying to michigan voters about themselves, in your discussions with michigan voters, did they catch that, that he was actually telling them that they really wanted this overturning of Roe Versus Wade which they did not want . They absolutely caught it because they did not want this and they did not want what happened to amber to happen to her. I moved, by the way. I want to say thank you to you for a powerful opening. You talk about your mother. I think about my daughter and my grand son and i think it michiganders think about the women in the people who can have babies that they love in the span and other state, if it becomes a national ban if we let Donald Trump and that White House all the Work Weve done in michigan to protect these rights for women will be gone and people like amber will be dying in all the states, and we have to make sure that we dont let that happen in the people of michigan understand that. People of michigan know Donald Trump is a liar. People of michigan know what Donald Trump is and what he will do if we let him back into the White House and we are going to do everything we can to make sure that doesnt happen. We say different issues compete for attention and are politics and some grab more prominence than others at different points in time but since the overturning of Roe Versus Wade, this one just keeps coming back and demands top attention and i always thought it would keep coming back because i always believed we would be getting these kinds of Horror Stories that force this issue back in front of people. That is absolutely true. Just like you said earlier, we said it. People were saying it for 50 years. If you Rollback Roe v. Wade women will die and that is exactly what is happening and what republicans dont seem to hear or care about is that the people of this country dont want that and theyve been very clear they dont want that. People of michigan came out in record numbers to say we believe that the women of michigan should have the right to reproductive Health Care and we are going to make sure they have it by putting it in our constitution. The fact that the maga republicans and Donald Trump dont listen to that, dont care about that is shocking to me and the fact that they dont care that womens lives are at stake every day now in the states where these bands are happening and will be at stake in every state if we have a national Abortion Ban. The fact that they dont care is shocking and heartbreaking. It makes me angry. It makes me sad, and it makes me scared. Donald trump knows it is a problem, which is why he at first tried to distance himself from overturning Roe Versus Wade and then decided to tell the lie, because he could not distance himself from it, that well wanted it, that everybody wanted it. Democrats and independents and republicans all wanted it overturned so Donald Trump understands, i believe, what a serious problem this is for him. Only a political problem. Thats exactly right. Hes got a way of noticing the political problems. He can tell when he is losing on an issue that he tries to backpedal and he makes up stories anD Claims that everybody this and everybody that. That is the way he handles himself. He knows he is wrong. He knows he is backed into a corner. This is the same place he went when he was going to pay for ivf for everyone. We all know that is not true. He will say whatever he thinks he needs to say because hes desperate to get back in the White House to stay out of jail and we need to all be clear on the truth about who he is, what he has done and what he will do as President Of The United States. We know who he is. We know exactly who he is. And the republican senate will obviously vote to ban ivf. Th

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