President has laid out. And therefor, we should use all the tools tools that are at our disposal. So i'm going to look at it. That is all in on this wednesday night. Good evening alex. Thank you my friend as always. Great show. Today started with what should have been bomb shell news. From the wall street journal. Last monday, jd vance's team contacted officials in springfield, ohio to fact check claims about haitian immigrants eating pets. The springfield city manager told vance's people pointblank there was no verifiable evidence or reports about immigrants eating pets. The city manager told vance's team that the claims were baseless. But still, j. D. Vance repeated them online. And the next day, trump used one of the biggest platforms in the world an american presidential debate to push those claims again. Claims his campaign knew were lies. This new reporting from the wall street journal should be devastating to the trump campaign. But the stunning thing is they probably won't care. Because trump and vance invocation of springfield was never about the truth to begin with. Springfield is less important to them as an actual place with actual people and more important to them as a symbol. Look at that. You can see the four states that border springfield, ohio, nevada, maine and kentucky. The simpson's famously take place in springfield. Not any particular springfield but springfield. That's because it's supposed to be a stand in for any town usa. There's a springfield in 24 states in the country. So springfield really could be just about any where. Active participation is the basis of good citizenship. Don't you think that the habits you form here at home is the ones you're going to take into your community life. Reporter: you might also know springfield as the setting of the 1950s sitcom and that is also meant to be any town usa. This is the springfield that matters to donald trump and j. D. Vance. The springfield of retrograde, imagination. The actual story of springfield ohio is it sprang into assistance because of funding of the federal government and the building of the nation's first highway. It was first settled by irish immigrants in the 1800s then german immigrants then black americans heading north as part of the great migration. The real story of springfield, ohio is a story of immigration and integration. But donald trump and j. D. Vance don't want to tell that american story. The story of expansion and growth. Day want the tv springfield. Where nothing ever change, and everyone looks the same and there are white picket fences as far as the eye can see. Trump and vance want to use a symbol of that springfield to stoke fear and paranoia about change. Specifically that haitian immigrants 15,000 of them are descending on every town usa and they are ruining it. So springfield has become a symbol for trump and his running mate. A symbol that they can use at their rallies across the country. A cautionary tale about immigrants and people who don't look like you or speak the same language and what they might do to your america. In that way it doesn't matter to trump and vance if haitians are actually eating cats or dogs. What matters is the way that springfield can be perverted to make the case that outsiders are poisoning the blood of this country that they are vermin and that they are destroying the country from the inside out. If i have to create stories, just what does it mean. So that the american media actually pays attention to the suffering of the american people then that's what i'm going to do. That is why you will never ever hear j. D. Vance or donald trump back down from their claims about springfield, ohio. Because to them, springfield isn't really in ohio, it is a symbol of the maga world view. We've talked a lot about how we need to deport illegal aliens but i wanted to ask you the majority of the haitians in springfield are here legally. My question for you is, if you become the vice president under a trump administration, what will you guys do about the migrants that are already there since they did arrive legally. Well if kamala harris waves the wand, illegally and says these people are now here legally, i'm still going to call them an illegal alien. Tonight, donald trump held a rally at the nassau coliseum in long island in new york. Long island is an incredibly different community from the actual town of springfield in ohio but the symbolism of springfield that trump and vance are using that works here too. Long island is also experiencing demographic change. There are lots of immigrants including haitian immigrants and more recently there's a large influx of migrants from south and central america. And again, the reality here is that long island much like springfield, ohio, is the product of generation after generation of immigration and integration. But rather than lean into the reality of america's past, trump and vance are using their lies to gin up fear and paranoia. How about in springfield, ohio, they had 32,000, this is a little beautiful town. No crime. No problem. 32,000 illegal immigrants come into the town. So the mayor of springfield, and i think he's a very nice person. But instead of saying them we're getting them all out. We're getting them out. He says very simply, we're hiring teachers to teach them english. We're hiring interpreters so when they go to school and take the place of our children in school, we have an interpreter each one will have a pry vat interpreter. What the hell is wrong with our country. No, no. We're getting them out of our country. They came in illegally. They're destroying our country. We're getting them out. They're going to be brought back to the country from which they came. There are not 32,000 illegal immigrants in springfield, ohio. There are about 15,000 legal haitian immigrants. But when trump lies like this, it isn't actually about springfield. It is about his plans for all of america. They're coming from the congo, they're coming from africa, they're coming from the middle east. Asian, a lot of them coming from asian. And what's happening to our country is we're just destroying the fabric of life in could your of our country and we're not going to take it any longer. We have to get rid of these people. Give me a shot. You're going to have a safe new york in three months. Three months. Trump's campaign was told over a week ago by springfield officials that the lies they were spreading was not true. Today three grocery stores in springfield had to be evacuated because of bomb threats. That comes on top of literally dozens of other bomb threats the city has received in the last week. But trump is still pushing this stuff. Now the american right are descending into springfield. With the proud boys, and the ku kluxklan sendening out fliers. Tomorrow trump himself has now said he plans to visit the ohio town. And as much as in story should have ended last monday when trump's team was told their claims were lies, well. It seems trump's story of springfield is only just beginning. Joining me now is denise williams, president of the springfield, ohio chapter of the naacp. Mrs. Williams, thank you for being here. We're so eager to hear about how you're grappling with all of this and let's just start there. What is life like in springfield right now? well first of all, thank you alex for having me. I have to tell you, this is, it's a mess here. I don't know if i can clearly express the issues that we're having here. As you stated earlier in your statement, three grocery stores had to close. Because of bomb threats. Every day we are waking up to not one bomb threat, two, three. The schools have been threatened with bomb threats. My grandchildren are not safe. It has been a complete and total nightmare here. What does it mean given the fact that it's a nightmare, that donald trump wants to come to springfield. What does that mean for life in springfield as far as you see it. As far as i see it i'm going to tell you the truth alex. It's going to make things worse. I am begging for the government to help us with this, he does not need to come here. I mean, the simple fact that he has had the truth said time and time again, by our city manager, by our mayor. And to no avail, he and his running mate are still pushing this false narrative. I don't know what the angle is with this, but, we do not need him here right now. He has put us all in danger. Trust me. The entire community. There are reports that the proud boys, the blood tribe and neo nazi group marched in the town. You know we have reports about the kukluxklan distributing fliers. You're the head of the naacp of the town. What was it been like? springfield communities are angry. Those who are not voting for trump and his his vice. We are angry you know, listen, we cannot, i cannot send my grandchildren, my grandson to the high school right now for fear. And i really don't want my youngest grandson who is six to go. These guys, you got proud boys, you got all these hate groups marching in the streets. And nothing is being done. Nothing is being said about them. I mean, i get the free speech of things, but this is a city of love, compassion. This is a city of hope, we don't understand how and why we made the debate stage. Why that these hate groups feel empowered to come here and guess what, they are unmasked. They don't care. Who they are. They don't care about showing their faces. So, for trump and j. D. Vance to not care about the citizens in this city, is disgusting. And to continue to push, to continue for him to push this false narrative, is horrible: it's i can't find words to put into that. I just can't imagine why he, go ahead, i'm sorry. I'm sorry to cut you off. I do wonder because it's so clearly not true what he's saying. Are neighbors having conversations with neighbors. Are you saying to people who might otherwise be trump supporters. These are lies and you know as well as i do they are lies. Are those conversations happening on the ground? yes, they are. But as long as trump is saying it it doesn't matter. It's falling on deaf ears still in our communities. For trump supporters they're not willing to hear what the truth is. They're believing everything they're saying and they're carrying out his hate. I know mrs. Williams that you were around for the race riots in dayton in the 1960s. I wonder if you can compare that moment. We're all trying to get some perspective of how the country is failing at the seams. I wonder if you can put together that time in the country and this one now. Since you've lived through both. I was probably 13 or 14 when this happened. It was my cousin that a group of white guys drove by and shot him while he was sweeping off his sidewalk. And i remember my parents telling us to pull the shades down and cut the lights out. And then the aftermath. I used to still could smell the scent of fire. You can still hear the gunshots. So back then the kkk and those guys were masked. Right now, they have been emboldened by trump and his people. I can tell you the atmosphere is the same. As a matter of fact i predicted this back in january, february, march. My chief of police can tell you i said to her, we are only the brink of something happening. And we are not prepared. Now here we are. The atmosphere is the same. We have to watch where we're going because we don't know. Is this our neighbors that's part of this hate group. Because now they're not disguised they're coming in and they don't have the face masks on. So, for me, this is a, i can't compare it. I can only say the atmosphere feels the same. Because i lived through that. Denise williams president of the springfield ohio chapter of the naacp. Mrs. Williams we are sending you our best wishes and thoughts and strength for what is just, an appalling chapter in american history. Thanks for your time tonight,. Thank you so much for having me, alex. God bless. When we come back, it is not just springfield. What america is seeing right now in springfield is just a taste of what is to come if donald trump and j. D. Vance take the white house. We'll have more on that with goldburg and mcgee. Stay with us. Why do we even buy napkins? use tide. can cold water clean white socks? it can with tide. Do i need to pretreat guacamole? not with tide. This is chocolate, right? just use. . . tide. . . Yeah. 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