Springfield in 34 states in this country so springfield really could be just about anywhere active participation is a good pasz of citizenship dont you kids realize the habits you form at home is the one youre going to take with you into your Community Life you might also know springfield from the 1965 Sitcom Father knows best. Its any town usa, the conservative Eisenhower Ideal of an american town with white Picket Fence and white nuclear families with 2. 5 children this is the springfield that matters to Trump And J. D. Vance. A symbol that has nothing to do with the reality of springfield, the actual story of springfield, ohio, is that it sprang into existence because of funding from the federal government and the building of the nations first highway. It was first settled by irish immigrants in the 1800s, then german immigrants, then Black Americans heading north because of the great migration. The real story of springfield, ohio, is a story of immigration and integration. But donald Trump And J. D. Vance dont want to tell that american story, the story of expansion and growth. They want the Tv Springfield where nothing ever changes and everyone looks the same and there are white Picket Fences as far as the eye can see. Trump and vance want to use the symbol of thatsprifield to Stoke Fear and paranoia about change, specifically that haitian immigrants, 15,000 of them are descending on every town usa, and they are ruining it. So springfield has become a symbol for trump and his Running Mate, a symbol that they can use at their rallies across the country, a cautionary tale about immigrants and people who dont look like you or speak the same language and what they might do to your america. And that way it doesnt matter to Trump Or Vance if haitians are actually eating cats or dogs. What matters is the way in which springfield can be perverted to make the case that outsiders are poisoning a the blood of this country, that they are vermin, and that they are destroying the country from the inside out. If i have to it wasnt just a meme. If i have to create story so that the american media pays attention to the suffering of thepa american people, then thas what im going to do, danna. That is why you will never, ever hear j. D. Vance or Donald Trump back down from their claims about springfield, ohio because to them springfield isnt really in ohio. It is a symbol of the maga world view. Youve talked a lot about how we need to deport illegal aliens, but i wanted to ask you the majority of the haitians in springfield came under tps, so they are here legally. My question for you is if you become a Vice President i under the trump administration, what will you guys do about the migrants that are already there, since they did arrive legally . If Kamala Harris waves the wand illegally and says these people are now here legally, im still going to call them an illegal alien. Long island is an incredibly different community than the actual town in springfield, ohio, but the Symbolism Trump and vance using, well that works here, too. Long island is also experiencing demographic change. There are lots of immigrants including haitian immigrants and more recently a large influx of migrants from central and south america. And, again, the reality here is that Long Island much likesprifield, ohio, is a product of generation after generation of immigration and integration. But rather than lean into the reality of americas past, Trump And Vance are using their lies to Gin Up fear and paranoia, to win people over to their incredibly dark and dystopian vision of americas future. How about in springfield, ohio, they had 32,000 this is a little beautiful town, no crime, no problem. 32,000 illegal immigrants come into the town. So the mayor of springfield and i think hes a very nice person, but instead of saying were getting them all out. Were getting them out. He saysth very simply were hirg teachers to teach them english. Can you believe it . Were hiring interpreters so when they go to school and take the place of our children in school, we have an interpreter, each one will have a private interpreter. What the hell is wrong with our country . No, no. Were getting them out of our country. They came in illegally. Theyre destroying our country. Were getting them out. Theyre going to be brought back to the country from which they came. There are not 32,000 illegal immigrants in springfield, ohio. There are 32,000 legal immigrants. It is about his plans for all of america. Theyre coming from the congo, coming from africa, coming from the middle east, alo over the world. Asia. A lot of them coming from asia. And whats happening to our country is were just destroying the fabric of life in our country. And were not going to take it any longer. And youve got to get rid of these people. Give me a shot, youll have a safe New York in three months. T three months. Trumps campaign was told over a week ago the lies they were spreading were not true. Today three Grocery Stores in springfield had toes be evacuat because of bomb threats. That comes on top of literally the other Dozen Bomb threats the town has received in the past week, but Donald Trump is still pushing this stuff, and now the american right has descended upon springfield with proud boys marching in the streets and the Ku Klux Klan Distributing antihaitian fires. Tomorrow rightwing Vivek Ramaswamy is headed to springfield to hold what hes calling a town hall. Trump himself says he plans to visit an ohio town. And as much as this story should have ended last monday when trumps team were told their claims were lies, well, it seems trumps story of springfield was only just beginning. Joining me now is denise williams, president of the springfield, ohio, chapter of the naacp. What is lifelike in springfield right now . First of all, alex, thanks for having me. I have to tell you its a mess here. I dont know if i can clearly express the issues that were having here. As you stated earlier in your segment, three Grocery Stores had to close because of bomb threats. Every day we are waking up to not one bomb threat, two, three. The schools have been threatened with bomb threats. My grandchildren are not safe. It has been a complete and total nightmarete here. What does it mean given the fact that its a nightmare that Donald Trump wants to come to springfield . What does that mean for life in springfield as far as you see it . As far as i see ait, im gog to tell you the truth, its going to make things worse. I am begging for the government to help us with this. He does not need to come here. I mean the simple fact that he has had the truth said time and time again by our city manager, by our mayor and to no avail, he and his Running Mate are still pushing this false narrative. I dont know what the angle is withan this, but we do not need him here right now. He has put us all in danger. Trust me, the entire community. There are reports that the proud boys, the blood tried, a Neonazi Group marched in the town. We have reports about the Ku Klux Klan Distributing flyers. Youre the head of the Naacp Chapter there. What has that been like for people in town to see the most vicious poisonous wing of the right descend on springfield . Well, let me say this. Springfield communities are angry. Those who are not voting for trump and his his vice. We are angry. You know, listen, we cannot i cannot send my grandchildren my grandson to the High School right now for fear. And i really dont want my youngest grandson, who is 6, to go. These guys youve got proud boys, youve got all these Hate Groups marching in the streets and nothing is being done. Nothing is being said about them. I mean, i get the free speech of things, butfr this is a city of love, compassion. This is a city of hope. We dont understand how and why we made the debate stage. Why that these Hate Groups feel empowered to come here. Andto guess what . Theyre unmasked. They dont care who they are. They dont care about showing their faces. So for Trump And J. D. Vance to not care about the citizens in this city is disgusting. And to continue to push to continue for him to push this false narrative is horrible. Its I Cant find words to put into that. I just cant imagine why he go ahead. Im sorry. Im sorry to cut you off. I do wonder because its so clearly not true what youre saying, are neighbors having conversations with neighbors . You know, are you saying to people who might otherwise be Trump Supporters, hey, these are lies and you know as well as i do that theyre lies . Are those conversations happening on the ground . Yes,pp they are. But as long as trump is saying it, it doesnt matter. Its falling on deaf ears still in our community. Those Trump Voters theyre not willing to hear what the message is. They are believing everything that he is saying, and theyre carrying out his hate. I know, ms. Williams, you were around for the race riots in dayton in the 1960 ms. And i wonder if you could compare that moment were all trying to get some perspective how deeply the country is fraying at its seams. I wonder if you could put into perspective that period and this period now since youre living through both. Yes. Ive got to say i was probably 13, 14 at the time when this happened. And actually it was myme cousin that a group of white guys drove by and shot him while he was sweeping off his sidewalk. And i remember my parents telling us to pull the shades down and cut the lights out. And then the aftermath. I used to still smell the scent of fire. You can still hear the gunshots. So back then the kkk and those guys wore masks. Right now they have been emboldened by trump and his people. I can tell you the atmosphere is the same. As a matter of fact, i predicted this back in january, february, march. My chief of police can tell you i said to her we are on the brink of something happening, and we are not prepared. Now, here we are. The atmosphere is the same. We have to to watch where were going becausewa we dont know. Is it our neighbors Thats Part of this Hate Group . Because now theyre not disguised. Theyre coming in and they dono have the face masks on. So for me this is a I Cant compare it. I can only say the atmosphere feels the same because i lived through that. Denise williams, president of the springfield, ohio, chapter of the naacp,mist williams, we are sending you our best wishes and strength for what is just an appalling chapter in american history. Thanks for your time tonight. Thank you so much for having me, t alex. God bless. When we come back, it is not just springfield. What america is seeing right now in springfield is just a taste of what is to come if donald Trump And J. D. Vance take the white house. Well have more on that just v ahead with Michelle Goldberg and heather mugo. Stay with us. Heather mugo stay with us most people call leaffilter when their gutters are clogged and they notice one of the many issues that can bring. Sometimes its the smell of mildew when water has seeped into the interior walls. Or maybe theyve spotted mold in the attic. But most often its the more obvious signs of damage like rotten soffit, fascia, or Water Pooling near their foundation. 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Up until basically today the focus of the republican ticket has been on whether haitian migrants are eating cats and dogs, which is not at all an invitation to a conversation im sure many people would like to have about the drivers of Housing Prices in america. Although it is not clear that j. D. Vance really wants to talk about affordable housing as much as he would like to continue to propagate lies about black and brown people just like his Running Mate. Joining me now are Michelle Goldberg, the New York times opinion columnist, and heather mcgee, author of the color of us. And michelle, im so eager to talk about whats happening here. Michelle, let me start with you. We spent the last segment of show talking about the fear this community is living in because of it lies Trump And Vance have been spreading. Whats so stunning is the degree to which theyre completely detaching themselves from the truth and openly embracing the great Replacement Theory that black and brown people are here to destroy the country and take it away from you. Its appalling but not stunning. I think its been part of Trumps Strategy from the time he came down that elevator. And whats interesting is even the republicans in springfield, the mayor is republican. Theres a republican governor. Theres there was a story about a Trump Supporter who at first accused haitians of stealing her cat, then she found her cat, which was like in the basement and used a Google Translator to go next Door And Apologize to them. So theres a level of decency even among some of the maga types in that area that you are not seeing at all from their leaders. And i think that i think in a way they sort of revel in the fact theyre not going to be bound by facts, that theyre not going to be bound by truth, that they can pretend its fine to make up stories in the service of what they see as a higher truth and make us talk about what they want to talk about. Well, i do think, heather, theyre pretty open about the Fact Springfield is aspringboard, or a metaphor what they want to stop at all costs. Its abundantly clear the issue for him isnt necessarily hagds migrants. Its brown people and the influx of brown people to america. I just want to play this for anyone that missed it in the last block. This is just a few minutes ago on Long Island. Theyre coming from the congo, coming from africa, coming from the middle east, coming from all over the world, asia. A lot of it coming from asia. And whats happening to our country is were just destroying the fabric of life in our country, and were not going to take it any longer, and youve got to get rid of these people. Give me a shot. Youll have safe New York within three months. It shouldnt be surprising but it doesnt make it less chilling, heather. What do those people have in common, they are the fabric of america. Asians, black people, thats the fabric of america merchandise. I write about this Core Question who are we as americans, what are we to one another, and with whos responsible for it massive rise in inequality is the fulcrum of our politics. Heres a millionaire, Multiplein Air depending on the day and this rich Wall Street Guy saying blame the diversity of our country, blame people who come to this country with very little to their name, doing exactly what most of the white people theyre speaking to, your own ancestors did when they were irish and german and polish and swedish, and blamed them not for housing crisis, blamed them and not the big corporations for shipping your jobs overseas. Its the direct blame many americans feel about the angst of white, black and, brown. You have to look at the strategy. Its not just about Hate And Demonization and morality. Its about economics. Its about greed. And the big problem here if they were to win and act out their racist agenda of Mass Deportation, of cutting off asylum, economists left, right, an