Donald trump again after a speech on Reproductive Rights clearly has him rattled. I will get reaction from monica simpson, challenging Georges Abortion Ban and in sams, Senior Advisor to the Harris Walz Campaign. Chaos agents. Trump and his allies are sowing the seeds for chaos on election night. We will explain how republican shenanigans could shake up everything. And mister robinsons neighborhood. Donald trump returns to North Carolina without the man he called mlk on steroids. My political panel and i will talk about Mark Robinson, the allegations of hateful and racist language on a porn and the political campaign that may need a warning label. I am jonathan capehart. This is the Saturday Show. Election day is 45 days away, but early voting is already underway in some states and Vice President Kamala Harris says she is ready to face Donald Trump again. She has accepted Cnns Invitation to a debate on October 23. As for trump, he has made it clear he has no intention of participating in another debate, at least for now. Today he was on the Campaign Trail in North Carolina, spewing his usual nonsense at a rally, but the true political moment of the week happened in Atlanta Yesterday where the Vice President gave a passionate speech on Reproductive Rights after being moved by the deaths of two women. Had amber Nicole Thurman and Candi Miller lived, we may never have known the names, but georges sixweek Abortion Ban enacted after the Donald Trump designed Super Majority overturned roe v. Wade in 2022 change that. Thanks to the excellent journalism of propublica, we have the horrifying details. Fear of the steep legal penalties that could befall doctors and hospitals if they run afoul of the narrowed exceptions for the life of the mother may have cost amber Nicole Thurman, already the mother of a 6yearold, her life. When the six Week Ban went into effect, her unexpected pregnancy with twins was further along and forced her to go to a clinic in North Carolina where she was given abortion pills. It was a Fourhour Journey that was impossible for her to replicate when complications ensued in georgia five days later. Amber Nicole Thurman was rushed to a nearby hospital. She needed a procedure known as a d c, but doctors risked prison time if they provided care authorities later questioned. She suffered for 20 hours before the procedure was performed. She died during surgery. Propublica reports that the Georgia State maternal Mortality Review Committee deemed amber Nicole Thurmans death preventable and said the delay in performing the critical procedure had a large impact on her fatal outcome. The georgia Abortion Ban also has patients attempting to self manage their own abortions, because the exceptions for the life of the mother do not extend to women who seek abortions because they have highrisk Health Conditions and the law held out the possibility that mothers could be prosecuted for even seeking an abortion. Candi miller, a mother of three, was afraid to see a doctor. She had lupus, diabetes and hypertension. Propublica reports that because her third pregnancy was difficult and she never fully recovered, she sought to terminate her fourth pregnancy through Medication Abortion without medical supervision. According to propublica, when the state maternal Mortality Review Committee looked into Candi Millers death, wrote, they immediately decided it was preventable and blamed the states Abortion Ban, a link to members who spoke to propublica on the condition of anonymity. Vice president Kamala Harris went to georgia yesterday. And the two women who are now the tragic faces of georgias horrible abortion law. This is a Healthcare Crisis. This is a Healthcare Crisis and Donald Trump is the architect of this crisis. He brags about overturning roe v. Wade. In his own words, quote, i did it and i am proud to have done it, he says. He is proud. Proud. That women are dying. Proud. That doctors and nurses could be thrown in prison for administering care. Proud. That young Women Today have fewer rights than their mothers or grandmothers. How dare he . Yes, how dare he . And dont think for one second that if given another term in the white House Trump Wouldnt implement a national Abortion Ban. If congress were to send trump a bill, he would sign it. If trumps Justice Department were to start enforcing the comstock act, which prohibits the Mailing And Receiving of Abortion Related Materials and has been on the books since 1873, he would not stop it. The tragic deaths of amber Nicole Thurman and Candi Miller were preventable, but another Trump Term with the Chaos And Cruelty is also preventable. Preventable if you vote. Joining me now is monica simpson, executive director of sister song, Women Of Color Reproductive Justice collective. She is the Lead Plaintiff in a lawsuit challenging georges sixweek Abortion Ban. Ms. Simpson, Thank You for coming to the Saturday Show. You were at the Vice President Speech Yesterday where she shined a huge spotlight on amber Nicole Thurman and Candi Miller. What have you heard from other women about how these bands have affected their health . The stories are horrible, to be quite honest. We have to continue to say the names of amber Nicole Thurman, of Candi Miller, because what we know is there are more stories to come. From our membership, from the folks we work with every day on the ground, they have been scared ever since this ban was put in place. They have been scared of criminalization. Scared they may not be able to access the care they need, so now we are seeing the devastating impacts of what this ban has done and unfortunately we know these will not be the last stories we hear. I would apologize because i think i misstated Candi Millers name. My apologies. The thing that i find most terrifying about this is we have been having a conversation in the country about black maternal health and when the Propublica Story come out i had only heard the names. I had not seen the pictures. It wouldve broken my heart No Matter who they were, but upon seeing their faces, seeing that these were two black women who were failed by this Abortion Ban. In a system where the Healthcare System does not look at black women in the way that it looks at other women when it comes to their health. Yes. We have seen that over and over again. We have seen the stats that say black women die at a rate 3 to 4 times higher than white women in childbirth and depending on where you go in this country, those numbers arise. We have seen the stories from so many women in particular in the south, as they go Take Care and ask for care from their healthcare providers, not getting what they need. Not feeling like they are actually being heard or believed and weve seen that from some of the biggest stars in this country, like serena williams. She was not chested, she was not listen to, she was not heard. So this is happening to someone who has the Power And Privilege that serena has. Can we imagine what this looks like for women on the ground every single day . I mentioned you are the Lead Plaintiff in challenging georges sixweek Abortion Ban. Bring us up to speed on where things are. Unfortunately we are still fighting because we came up against what happened with the Dobbs Decision. The Dobbs Decision took this to the level we did not wanted to go and we knew that if the decision came down in the way that it did that we would continue to see restrictions across this country and in particular in georgia. So were still fighting this ban to this day and now we have seen what this ban can do and the devastating effects. They kill people at the end of the day. You know republicans, Donald Trump and other republicans like to say but there are provisions, exceptions for life of the mother, but as we have read, that did not apply. You know i have been saying these names all week long and every time i have to say their names, my heart just weeps. Right . But i want to make sure that we honor their names correctly, but i will also say that in this conversation, they have all of these things, they have these provisions. Thats not true. What we saw in this case was these doctors did not feel like they had the ability to actually provide the care that they are supposed to provide to any person coming into their facility, so these provisions are not actually helping people. Amber Nicole Thurman and Candi Miller. Monica simpson, Thank You very much for coming to the Saturday Show and for lending your voice to this very, very important issue. This is an important issue and Thank You for uplifting the story. We have so many actions we are now doing because of this. In georgia on seven number 28. We are calling all people out because we cannot let these people die in vain. We have to lift their stories up and make it possible for more people to share their stories. So we can understand the impact. Thank you. Joining me now is Senior Advisor for the harriswalz campaign. Thank you as always for coming to the Saturday Show. If there is one issue where the Vice President doesnt need talking points, does not need a teleprompter, it is this issue, Reproductive Freedom. Why did she feel it was important not just to raise the issue of these women, but to go to georgia, Go To Atlanta and talk about them . This week the Vice President made the decision herself to go speak after seeing the tragic and horrific stories. I think about how she was prosecuted was a prosecutor and oftentimes you have to go to the scene of the crime. She wanted to fly to georgia and tell these Women Stories to illustrate the severe consequences of Donald Trumps Abortion Bands. The realworld impact of what he wrought on this country as president and if he gets the chance in 40 days in the selection that he may do again, so it really illustrates the stakes of the election. How if she was president she would work to get a law passed and probably sign it into law and of Donald Trump whence he will push his project 2025 agenda that could put a nationwide Abortion Ban in place and the consequence of that, women will die. This is what we feared when roe got struck down. All of the stories of women bleeding out in parking lots, not able to get the care they need. This is personal for her and that is why she is speaking about it. Donald trump is speaking about this. I think this is earlier today, this morning in an all Caps Crane he said in part, to women, you will no longer be thinking about abortion. What is the Campaigns Response to that . He is posting this in all caps at almost midnight last night. He probably saw coverage of the Vice President s speech and got rattled. He knows that the end of the day women in this country are rising up against him. He thinks somehow he can control women. He says you dont have to think about abortion. Women are thinking about freedoms in this election. Women and men are thinking about freedoms in this election. Thinking of rights that their mothers had. It motivates them to get involved. It motivates them to support the Vice President and talk to their family about the election. Donald trump is trying to shake the tree. He does not think he will move forward, but we know with his plans and that project 2025 agenda, that is what he will do. You will stick around and we will continue this conversation, but coming up we discussed how the Vice President is raking in the Campaign Cash and taking the fight to Donald Trump in the Battleground States. Later a controversial candidate. Mark robinson refusing to drop out of the North Carolinas governors race, despite being linked to some lewd and racist posts on a Porn Site. You cannot make this up. Keep it here. You are watching the Saturday Show on msnbc. I couldnt slow down. We were starting a business from the ground up. 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Remember two months ago the United States Supreme Court basically told the former president that you will effectively be immune No Matter what he does in the white house. Just imagine Donald Trump with no guardrails. He who has vowed to be a dictator on day one. He who has called for, quote, the termination of the constitution of the united states of america. Part of the Campaigns Effort to appeal to republicans and shore up support in Blue Wall states where the race is tightening. A new Quinnipiac Poll shows harris leading trump by five points in pennsylvania and michigan, but only by one point in wisconsin, well within the margin of error. Still with me, ian sams, Senior Advisor for the harriswalz campaign. Before we talk about the polls, lets talk about the Vice President accepting a debate with Donald Trump that would be hosted by cnn on October 23. She said yes, but listen to how Donald Trump reacted. The problem with another debate is that it is just too late. Voting has already started. She had her chance to do it with fox. You know fox invited the son and i waited and waited and they turned it down. You have some words about this. Look, i think he is coming up with a lot of excuses and not giving reasons why he wont debate. In 2020 the final debate was october 22. What cnn propose this year was October 23. He did in 2020. I dont know why he wont do this one. You would think for someone who said he won the debate against biden. He said he won the debate against Vice President harris, that he would want to show off his prowess, but he continues to same to to seem to change his mind depending on his mood. One general Election Debate between these candidates for the country as they try to decide who to support in this election is not enough. She accepted the invitation to debate and hopefully President Trump will, too. Why do you think he doesnt want to debate . He had a hard time in the last debate, i think he gets that. You would think he might want to show something different to the american people, but we will see if he decides to debate and hopefully he does. I think it would reveal that he is scared of appearing on stage with her if he doesnt. I want to go back to Reproductive Freedom, but also use it as a trampoline forward. On friday on news hour, we sit and talk about politics and we talk about the fact that Reproductive Freedom is a cor