Hes had a lot of endorsements over the course of his career that dont matter so i think that is probably part of what is informing his calculus here. Track that is all in tonight. The special editions of Alex Wagner starts right now. Of Alx Wagner starts right now. Not in our usual new York CityStudio Tonight instead, we are coming to you live from lancings midtown Brewery Right here in the Battleground State of michigan this is one of the crucial states that will decide who the next president is, and both campaigns know it. Later this Week Donald Trump will be headed back to the detroit Metro Area meanwhile, the Harriswalz Campaign is barnstorming the state with a Bus Tour focused on the issue of reproductiv that bus just rolled into town this morning, and were going to more on that later on this hour including an interview with one of the very important people riding on thatop bus. It is ath critical time for the Harris Campaign in the state of michigan. He today a new Usa Today Poll finds Kamala Harris narrowly leading Donald Trump in this state by 3 points,ta which is wellwithin that Polls Margin of error. The poll also shows that 4 of voters remain undecided with just 42 days left until electio day. The battle for Michigan Isun likely to come down to a handful of votes and a handful of key places. Now, one of those places is in the Rust Belt Community of Saginaw County. Now, sag now is somewhat famous for how much of a Bellwether It is. This week the Guardian Newspaper declared saginaw the Swing County that could decide this election. Ci in 2016 Donald Trump won Saginaw County by just 1 , about 1,000 votes. Four years later Joe Biden won the county by an even narrower 303 votes out of 100,000 votes cast. Saginaw county makes up a large portion of Michigans 8th congressional district, which is the most purple congressional district in the country, quite literally. Accordingun to the cook Politic Report there are exactly 217 districts that are redder than Michigans 8th and 217 districts that are bluer than Michigans 8th. So there are only a handful of places in this country where every individual Vote C Matterss much as they do in Saginaw County, which is why i went down to saginaw this week to talk to a key constituency in a key county in a key Battleground State that both campaigns are trying to court union members. Just to put it in perspective for you. Inpe 2020, 21 of those Votes Tt decided the election in the state of michigan were from Union Households, 1 in 5. President biden made Union Workers a focus of both his campaign and the bidenharris administration. He was the first president to walk a P Picket Line right here the state of michigan. He appointed judges and federal officials with strong Track Recordss supporting union righ. His covid Relief Bill saved Union Pension plans. His Infrastructure Bill invested billions in good paying union jobs. Andg bidens chips and Science Actsc was a boon to Union Worke especially in states like michigan. Saginaw, for example, is an old Manufacturing Town where Union Workers are now working on projects that are a direct result of The Chips Act. And Vice PresidentKamala Harris is hoping that all of that focus from the biden administration is something that Union Workers remember onth Election Day. Shes hoping that she is not taking it forpi granted. Last week one of the biggest unions in the country, the Teamsters International Union declined to endorse either candidate in the race while also Snoeting Nearlywh 60 of rank a File Members supported Donald Trump. So to get a better sense what is happening in this hotly, hotly contested state among this critical group ofat voters, we went right down to Ground Zero and talked to a group of nearly 60 members of ua local 85, a Union Group of plumbers, steel fitters, and Hvac Technicians in Saginaw County. We talked about the election, what might make them decided and what might make them even more undecided. Even with two such diameticly opposed candidates to choose from, a lot of these folks remain very up for grabs. Theres also a stark generational divide among these union members, but maybe not the kind you would expect. What youre about to hear is critical in understanding why this race remains so very close and whyma its outcome may not en be clear on election night. Its a fascinating, complicated snapshot from the front lines of the 2024 election. Take a look. All right, so by A Show Of Hands how many of you are paying close attention to this election . S okay. Thats imti going to say thats like half the audience. Is anybody undecided . Okay. Im undecided because i just havent i havent seen enough of it yet. I need to pay closer Attention And Kind of do more independent research before if make my judgment. What have you caught of this campaign . There been News Stories that has made its way to your Information Feed . Not particularly. Its just the way people act around this time. Its a little crazy, so i try not to partake so much. Imta supporting Kamala Harr because ive seen four years what i should have seen in nine years of Donald Trump. We have to move our country forward. I think Kamala Harris, a Generation Likela that, younger than myself, needs to start moving this country forward. Donald trump is going pulling us backwards, not moving us forward. Thats why Id VoteKamala Harris. Young people theres a lot of young people iner this room. I see the policies Kamala Harris, the infrastructure act, thats what most of these people here back to work pretty much their entire career, have a good wage to support a family and own a homefa and build generational wealth. President biden is the most proworking President Weve ever had, thees only president To Ev be on a Picket Line and to support working families. Infrastructure bill. As time after time weve seen him stand up for us. Do you feel like Vice President harris is going to be as strong as he was . I do. Who here is voting for the first time . Is this anybodys first election . You guys back here. What sort of made its way across your radar . Any stories or issues or positions . Mostly just immigration. Can you talk a little bit more about that . What aboutbo immigration have y been paying attention to . There are thousands and P Thousandsre of illegal immigran coming across the border every day, and the Vice President has done minimal work to fix that, based on what ive seen, so id like that to change. You feel that trump is going to be better on that issue . Based on what weve seen in the first four years, i believe hell be better on that, yeah. Are you leaning towards trump right now . Yes, maam. Is there anything Vice President harris could do at this point to changeid your min . Not particularly, no. Unless she changes her stance completely on fixing the border. Is this your first election . Yeah, it is. And y have you been paying attention to stuff . Some of things, but as of right now its hard to know what is h true and whats false as f as both parties are concerned. What issue matters to you the most . Definitely our issues concerning democracy and what was discussed before the border. What about immigration concerns you . The influx in illegal immigration is affecting a lot more than just the people but our economy. Were losing jobs for the people who live here. People are, you know, running out of work, and in return its making life as a whole for the countryho harder. Do you feel like one candidate orli the other is better on Tha Issue . Like, i dont know what to believe from d what im Seeing Fromi multiple News Outlets an what comes across my News Feed and what not. Im not super opinionated either way. Weth talked to one gentleman who said im going to kind of go with my heart. As the election comes closer the more i see and more truth ends upcoming out, ill be able to make a more educated. How many people care about whether their Union H endorses candidate . Is that going to matter to you . It matters to me what my union endorses because the union provides me with work and directly affects my pocketbook and my family. If the union doesnt endorse Ado Candidate and youre left, u know, to decide on youran own, first of all, do you think youre definitely going to vote . Im definitely going to vote. How do you think youre going to ultimately make that decision . I think im still going to be conflicted. Okay, so literally a gametime call . I think so. Is it going to matter what your Fellow Union members are doing . Its going toer matter. Do you guys talk about . Yeah, its definitely a hot topic. And is there disagreement . Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Right now its pretty Black And White whats happening. And you go back to republicans wanted to make our economy a Service Economy rather thanno a manufacturing economy. So do your research on that. Do rcit, and vote for christs sakes. People around the country and around the world dont have an opportunity. Look around the Economy And Weve got The Chips Act going on here. Theresin billions and billionsf dollars. Most of the people in this room are benefitting from bidens chip act. Do your research. Look at that. Pull your head out of our ass. You saw that a number of veteran workers there were strong supporters of Vice PresidentKamala Harris, but you also saw there were a large number of Union Workers, particularly younger Union Workers who were undecided, and throughout our discussion it was clear many of those undecided voters saw immigration and the southern border as a major concern. They were also particularly motivated by concerns about the economy including inflation and the rising cost of housing. Do you think housing is an issue . Yes. S i actually just recently purchased a home, so, yes, i do think it is too high. Its just the costit of a Livab Moveinli ready home nowadays i just absurd i think in my opinion to where i feel you could buy a house for a reasonable price and not to have a tonot of Work Put into it. I just recently purchased a house as well. And this house has gone up 50,000 in the past five years, so i mean just looking at the prices in the past five years, why has it gone up so much . What can s we do to bring It Ba down to what it was . Fortunate enough our wages have been able to keep up with inflation, but a lot of people they havent been so fortunate and they have to choose between paying fbills, buying food on e table, so i think thats a big factor in this election. Like he said, if you cant afford to have a house or buy your family food, then nothing else really matters. Soea as much as these undecId Voters are unsure about the candidates, however undefined their Decision Making Process appears to be, you can see what issues are foremost in their minds in this critical Swing County. But what is maybe just as interesting as what was not on the minds of those undecided voters, issues that have received a ton of Media Attention in this state and in thisin election, issues like Abortion Access and Donald Trumps lawlessness Covered Exhaustively by The National newsti media. Those were not the kinds of these k things these undecided voters are focused on. Does anybody have any idea about whats happening in the federal courts relating to Donald Trumps the January 6th event and whats going on there with trump . Im sorry to keep coming back to you, so, like, you havent talk to me about your level of interest in the criminal charges and so forth. February 6th January 6th. So i know that day and he was the standing president. Im not familiar with the charges that have been brought against him. Im not following that. I mean it doesnt sound like itsn going to be a factor in deciding your vote. No. January 6th what do you instinct. I remember seeing it on the news, all the riots and stu. Dont really know what it was about or how it happened. How did h it make you feel wf you saw it . I dont really feel any way about it. People showed their emotion, i guess, probably in the wrong Way But P it happens. Who here has been following theho decisions from the Suprem Court . Raise yours hands. Okay, im seeing only a handful. Who here knows what the Dobbs Decision is . One person. Okay, thats super interesting. What about abortion . An issue that you think i think its a womans righto No One should be able to dictate that at all. And d what do you think of Trumps Position on abortion . I think its antiisnt it . Yeah. What about abortion . Is that something you think about and concerns you. I think they meet in the middle. What doiothink . I think they go too much one way and too much the other way. You think democrats are too open ended on abortion and republicans are too restricted . I what about you, something you think about . I think the same. What about you . Iab havent thought about it really. It is a stunning reminder that stories The National media covers intensely, stories which certainly matter to a considerable Number Ofer americs in general, that those stories are not necessarily the deciding factors for these elusive, undecided voters especially undecided voters who dont get their news from traditional media and may not be particularlyno interested in current events in general. For those voters what matters must and may ultimately determine their vote this year are thede conversations they ha in their community. In this case, fellow members of their union, of local 85, and especially those members who have made upho their minds and o understand the stakes of the 2024ta election. You asked what the issues that are important. There one thing i said was honesty. I think it ties together everything people have been here, immigration, inflation, all the issues that are there. They dont mean anything unless you can believe the person that youre listening to. And ift you go back and i remember a lot of these people, its really been eye opening. If youre going to do your research and