So, in just two days, Jim Walls and j. D. Vance will Face Off in their first and only debate, which is the only two make it to this level for election day. The former Attorney General led the process by Harris Harris later, i have wanted at the trail all summer. This week, i caught up with him in North Carolina. We talked about the rise in antisemitism, the trump Teams Gas Lighting of america women, and even some fantasy football. Okay, i have been thinking a lot lately about that moment a few weeks ago. When Kamala Harris walked out on the Debate Stage and took Donald Trumps hand. She was aggressive in seeking the handshake. She did not wait for him. She leaned in, literally, into his space. I have been taking about that moment because its an example of the campaign she has run ever since. I mean, instead of ignoring issues where she is perceived to have a disadvantage, by the way, every candidate has disadvantages. She has dug into them. Take the economy. Time and time again, polls show voters favored Donald Trump when it comes to the economy. As much is that may bend your mind, because all he talks about is terrorists which would raise costs for Everyone And Cutting costs for corporations, he loves talking about that. Thats how voters are feeling right now. Instead of hiding from the topic, this week, Harris Dove Right into it. She made an economic Policy Speech in pittsburgh. In that speech, she outlined plans two expand investment in american industries, and understood the american middle class because of her upbringing. And then, she sat down with msnbcs ebony wolf. You dont care the idea of tariffs across the board. Thats part of the problem with Donald Trump. I say this in all sincerity. He is just not very serious about how he thinks about some of these issues. So, that is all an example of her leaning in strategy. And it seems to be working here. Over the past few weeks, she started to close the gap with trump on the economy, huge issue on the minds of people across the country. Its not just that issue, you see her strategy playing out. I mean, there is perhaps no issue that has been more challenging for democrats in terms of moving public opinion than immigration. It is challenging for harris, specifically. She has been pegged by critics as the voters borders are pummeled, the sole person responsible for an insurgence of migrants over the past few years which is, of course, absurd. The country has had a broken Immigration System for decades. Long before harris was even picked 2b Joe Bidens running mate. And not to beat a dead horse, but im going too here, it was trump who killed the bipartisan border deal, not Kamala Harris. Regardless of all of that, polls consistently show immigration as a major weakness for democrats. And for harris, specifically. But a News Poll this month shows that 54 of registered voters think trump would battle better handle securing The Border. 33 said the same of harris. Shes not going to make of the whole gap between now and november. Its about making up some of that gap. Instead of running away from all that, she literally went to The Border this week. On friday, she visited a Border Town in arizona. She confronted the Issue Head on. She used it as an opportunity to talk about things like this. As president , i will only bring back the Border Security Bill that Donald Trump tanked, i will do more to secure our border. It was the strongest Border Security Bill we have seen in decades. It was endorsed by The Border patrol union. And it should be ineffective today. Donald trump tanked it. He picked up the phone, called friends in congress, and said, stop the bill. You see, he prefers to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. So, that right there that i just talked through, from the Vice President , that is a Textbook Example of flipping the script. Diving first into an Issue Headfirst into an issue where you have a disadvantage of leaning in, as i have been talking about. I think it is safe to say that her willingness to be bold and aggressive, tone her vulnerabilities is quite a contrast with her opponent who had this to say, or not to say about Mark Robinson this week. Are you going to pull your endorsement of Mark Robinson . I dont know the situation. Now, its hard to find a clear example of literally running or walking away from your problems than what we just saw there. I mean, come on. He did only knows the situation. Of course he does, he just doesnt want to talk about it. Trump is also running scared from a second debate, insisting it is too late despite having debated right around the proposed 2016 and 2020. I mean, on that front, even Fox News is calling him out, saying, this week, he thinks harris is running from a debate, and the holdup is Donald Trump. So, he is too intimate harris on a Debate Stage, instead, he goes back to a safe place, resort into the nastiest attacks imaginable in the friendly maga confines of a campaign rally. Joe biden became mentally impaired. harris was born that way. She was born that way. If you think about it, only a mentally disabled person could have allowed this to happen into our country, anybody would know this. I mean, that was gross. But really, what we are seeing right now is one candidate who leans in. Who is not afraid two address and embrace the areas she is not addressing. Thats what a leader does by the way. Every candidate is bound to make up things. A candidate hangs a lantern on her vulnerabilities, and another runs away from all of that, who just seems to hide over and over again in his dark Comfort Zone of nasty and racist attacks. Joining me now is former Attorney General eric holder. He is the chairman of the national democratic redistricting committee. He is so important during such important work right now. There is so much i want to talk you about. It is great to see you. I wanted to start with, you know the Vice President very well. We are going to show a photo of you right now with Harris And Beau biden from 2013. Its quite a throwback photo. A lot of us, myself included, are surprised by how aggressive she has been in the campaign. I gave some examples of it there. I mean, in that debate, before that, she has leaned into her perceived political disadvantages, she has been aggressive on the trail. You know her well. As it surprise you . Have we all missed it until now . Well, i have known her for almost 20 years. It doesnt surprise me at all. She is appropriately aggressive. She is unafraid. She will do the kind of things that are necessary to promote the interest of the american people. That is consistent with her professional career. I have known her since she was the da in san francisco, Attorney General, senator, Vice President , and in each of those roles, she has done nothing but that which is best for the american people, and has been bold in her approaches. She has had success at every level at which she has served the american people. And i would expect if given the opportunity, she will do the same thing as president of the united states. One of the things that has shown up in polls, i imagine it is frustrating for sitting on the campaign, is a 28 of people who want to know more about the Vice President. That is also a huge opportunity. I am not convinced that they are looking for an 85 Page Plan to be left on their doorstep. But you have known her so well for 20 years. What do you wish people knew about her that they dont seem to be digesting, or they dont know yet how the last couple of months have gone . Yeah, that notion of, we need to know more about her plans, it is kind of befuddling in the sense that she has laid out detailed plans on a whole variety of things, The Border, the economy, we know about her history as a lawenforcement officer. I think we know who and we should know who Kamala Harris is. I mean, i have gotten to know her, as i said, over the last two decades. She is a compassionate person. She is a person who is unafraid to use her convictions to come up with good policies. She is not afraid to take on the powers that be. You know . When it came to the mortgage fraud crisis, she took on the big banks and got billions of dollars of relief for california homeowners who had been defrauded by those banks. She is a person who has stood for criminal justice reform. She is a warm person, you know . She is funny. She is a great cook. You know . She is a downtoearth person who is a great public servant, and will be an outstanding president of the united states. I wanted to get your take also on the other side of all of this. I mean, i just gave my take on how trump is mainly running away from his weaknesses. He is kind of using the same old tired attacks. And you recently tweeted, which is bold, of Course Trump Wont debate again. Three reasons, one, he got whupped. His campaign fears the more people seek him allah, the more they like her. His campaign will realize he is unstable and in cognitive decline. We have been watching them for a long time. I want ask you expand on that. What are you observing in him right now that makes you think that . Well, he has never been a master of the english language. But if you look back four years ago, eight years ago, his sentences are shorter. They make less sense. His paragraphs are more garbled. He seems to be just more out of touch with the questions that are asked of him, and the way in which he formulates his responses, they dont seem to be coherent. He doesnt have many policy positions he can never talk about. He just seems to me to be a person who is a little more confused than perhaps he was four years ago. Im not saying that he was spectacular four years ago, or four years before that. Even against those with lower standards, he doesnt seem too meet the standards he was judged by, you know, just a few years ago. Yeah, not nearly enough attention two kind of the Gargling Confusion we see out there, which is why i want to talk about it. I just played a Crip Clip where Trump Called Men harris mentally impaired. It is projection. Its part of this pattern for him, thats how i see it, going after women, women of color, in particular. Incredibly demeaning terms, but what do you think its all about . Yeah. The Trump Playbook is, when you dont have the specifics, when you dont have the ammunition to actually go after somebody on their policies, or go after them in a substantive way, you go back to Eighth Grade and ninth Grade Kind of stuff where you start a call people names. You know . Talking about her mental stability, her inability to do certain things, i think it is both projection on his part, but also an indication of, again, the cognitive decline. He doesnt have the ability to mount a substantive challenge to the person who he is running against. And i think that is something the american people need to take into consideration. Donald trump made a great deal of the cognitive abilities of joe biden. We now have the person in the republican side who is the oldest person ever two run for president of the united states. Youve got to think, if this is where he is now, where will he be three and four years from now, and also take into consideration, well, if this guy for whatever reason Cognitive Leave does not make it through those years, the person who would stand in his place would be j. D. Vance. And that is a truly frightening thing to have to consider. I mean, speaking of, and you have played a number of many roles in your decades in public service. But you are in charge of her vp vetting process. I have spoken with Governor Walz a couple times. People have gotten to know him a bit. It seems like her pick is going well so far. I want to know from you. What are you expecting to hear . What are you wanting to hear during the debate on tuesday between Governor Walz and j. D. Vance . I suspect j. D. Vance will do better than Donald Trump when he got whupped in his debate. J. D. Vance is a person who, if a little strange, more than a little weird, is disciplined. And i expect you will see him come out in that way. He will stick to his guns. He will try to deflect about the things he has talked about in terms of, you know, Immigrants Eating Dogs and cats. You know . He will try to somehow portray all that stuff. He will pivot off of that stuff into things that are untrue, but he will do so in a disciplined way. I hope the american people will take that into consideration. Tim walz, by contrast, is a genuine person that i have ever known. He is a person who presents himself as he is. A person who is warm, who is caring, who really tells it like it is. That encapsulates the opposite of j. D. Vance early on, when he use the word weird. Pundits have been Coming Up with ways in which they can describe the ticket. He didnt, you know, go through focus groups. He just expressed that which he thought they were, which is weird. It is something that really caught on. I think thats an example of who he is. But be wary, be wary of j. D. Vance as i said. You will see a disciplined person there who will try to run away from that which he has said, and do it in a way with language where, if you dont look for it, might seem convincing. Just remember, you know, who he is, what he has said, and the ways he has changed positions over the years. This is a guy who described Donald Trump in unbelievably unflattering ways who has now said, you know, he would be a great president of the united states. He would not be a good Vice President. It is so interesting to hear you say this. I watched some of his past debate with tim ryan. I think, the expectation is, he will be a former like trump. He is actually a more disciplined debater. It is interesting to watch. We have to sneak in a quick break. Thank you for sticking around. There are so many things i want to talk to you about. Also, still ahead, i join Doug Imhoff for a wideranging interview. 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I believe we have to take him at his word. How should we take that . Do you think the apparatus up there is prepared for him too implement what he keeps saying on the trail . I think we absolutely have to take him at his word. He w