Its happening. Switch to reliable Comcast Business Internet with security and get started for 49. 99 a month. Plus ask how to get up to a 500 Prepaid Card. Call today welcome back. Im Jose Diazbalart alongside my Colleague Ana Cabrera for another hour of special coverage after last Nights Vice President ial debate. Both contenders and their Running Mates are across the Country Today after Last Nights big event. Which may have marked the last time we see candidates from the 2024 president ial ticket go head to head on a Debate Stage. Both vp contenders brought with them a midwestern nice feel. At times agreeing with one another, despite their stark policy differences. I agree with a lot of what Senator Vance said about whats happening. And i think i agree with you. You want to solve this problem. Much of what the senator said right there, im in agreement with him on this. First of all, i agree with you. I agree with that. First of all, tim just said something i agree with. Nbcs Jacob Soboroff is live for us in battleground michigan. Also with us, symone sanders townsend, cohost of The Weekend here on msnbc. And david drucker, senior writer at the Dispatch And Mark mckinnon, former adviser to george w. Bush and John Mccain. Jacob, how are voters there in michigan reacting to what they saw Last Night . Reporter oh, jose, ana, they are reacting, i can assure you of that. There is a reason for that. Jd vance will be not far away from where i am today in oakland county, michigan, and when you talk to people at Oakland University, theyll tell you, you know, it is not one, two, or three days before one of the four candidates for president or Vice President will come through here. Oakland county, not an exaggeration to say, will be one of most consequential counties in the Swing State come election day. It was 100,000 Vote Swing from former President Trump in 2016 to President Biden in 2020. And even next door, macomb county, which leans republican, the Student Body Populous at Oakland University made up of largely young people from both of those key counties in michigan, all of these issues that we talk about day in and day out are on the minds of the young people. Michigan had some of the largest Youth Voter Turnout in 2020 midterm elections. Gun violence was one of the issues. Particularly because of the shooting at msu and in the High School nearby here back in 2021. There was a young woman, jimena, the Student Body President here at Oakland University who brought up that issue in advance of the debate. After the debate, i wanted to ask her and her fellow students about how they reacted to the conversation about Gun Violence during the debate. Here is what they said. What did you think when you heard Jd Vance talk about that . Jimena was talking about how what happened at a Neighboring School here, it is an issue that rings close to home. I thought it was ridiculous. The issue was guns, not better locks on doors. Reporter so, you know, that was a notable and i think memorable exchange from the debate when Senator Vance was talking about the solution to Gun Violence being better locks on doors and stronger windows. It was something that i think certainly resonated with the voters here and all kinds of issues from reproductive rights to immigration that i think there is a strong response and it wasnt just in favor of the harris walz campaign, but i think here on this campus, which is, like i said, largely democraticleaning area, it certainly did resonate with them. And i guess the Big Question that so many lines as we try to read the Tea Leaves of where this campaign and this Election Cycle goes next is after last Nights Debate, did it move the needle at all in terms of Anyones Vote . Reporter i think so. And you know what, there is one person i should ask that, come on in here, marcus. Marcus was on with me Last Night. Hes gone somewhat viral this morning. Come over here, marcus. Marcus, live on msnbc, good to see you again on campus. Ana cabrer was asking do you think the debate Last Night moved the needle at all for your fellow students or they came Out Of it with their minds made up. People were pretty resolved when they came in. No one had opinion changes. If You Saw with the flags how we were doing, nobody deterred an opinion as much. People were decided going into it and leaving. Reporter marcus, good to see you. Now the people of america knows who marcus is. He made a big impression Last Night. We played his clip last hour that has gone viral, The One you mentioned. We thank him for bringing us his Civics Lesson that he brought to the country Last Night. Good to see you. Reporter thank you for the Civics Lesson. Youre welcome. So what were your takeaways from this debate Last Night . Well, the main job of any Vp Candidate is to do no harm. I dont think either one did any harm. But from just a performance level, you have to give vance some credit. He was very polished, very smooth, walz looked very nervous, very jumpy. But the interesting thing, it seemed more like vance was just trying to rehabilitate his image as a nice guy, very civil debate. I dont think he did what the real mission that he had to do was to attack walz and to make clear his record was much more Out Of step with the mainstream america, which he didnt do. So, i think he helped himself with trump, he helped himself with maga, i dont think the debate changed any minds in the country. The vp debates rarely do. The Vp Candidates rarely do. I think the race is the same. I think vance helped himself with the debate, but not with undecided voters. How do you see governor Walzs Performance . Did he do what he needed to do for Kamala Harris and their campaign . I think two things can be right at the same time. I personally walked away from last Nights Debate thinking, okay, the strategy that the campaign had going into the debate about how, you know, when David Said something that i want to counter, like, i agree with some of what David Said, but instead of saying david made some interesting points. You can disagree and not be disagreeable. I think there was a little too much i agree with what so and so said. You think Governor Walz was doing that too much. I think there were too many niceties on both sides, from both of the candidates. Jd vance, he stood up on the Debate Stage and he was building a platform of policy in real time. There were things he said that when it comes to child care, for example, that is not Donald Trumps plan. He articulated a Housing Plan ive never heard from the top of the ticket and Vice President ial debates, thats not what theyre there to do. I do think that Governor Walz, he had some very strong moments. I think he started off shaky. But got stronger and the Tim Walz that people had seen out there during the veepstakes, he showed up on that Debate Stage later on and the clip, theyre not going to watch it straight through like many of us did, the clip shown, the contrast of Governor Walz is great. So, i think thats good. I think if the campaign had taken one of them better at exchanges and flipped it into an ad, that January 6th exchange at The End, thats going to be important because there are some voters out there that need to hear more, they need to be reached, not just independent voters, democratic voters too. I dont recall ever a debate where one of the candidates describes himself as a knuckle head, unusual use of terms, but it was so much more civil. Regardless of what the issues were, it seemed as though there was a lot more civility in the discourse. Is this a benefit for one side more than the other . I dont think so. But thats because, i think, you know, mark laid this out and so did symone, when you have a Vice President ial debate, the only thing that matters is can people live with you being president for a couple of years should a tragedy occur and you have to assume the job. And walz got battered all around the stage for most of the night except for some good moments he had at times later in the debate. But when we look at the snap polls that occurred afterwards, voters actually thought better of him than we did. And there wasnt a moment or an extended period at all where people said, oh, no, no, no, no, this Guy Cant get anywhere near the oval office, thats one of the problems Sarah Palin had in 2008, it wasnt she was more conservative than John Mccain or that she was young, younger, or a young governor, it is that people looked at her and said, oh, my god, you couldnt do the job, not do it in a way i would disagree with, you cant do it. Thats what Tim Walz and Jd Vance had to accomplish. Jd vance accomplished that a lot better than Tim Walz, but i wonder if Jd Vance did himself a really big favor for 2028, whether or not he runs for the presidency. Youre talking 2028. Last night they were talking 2020, which the Harris Campaign turned into a campaign ad. Let me play this for everybody who may have been sleeping and not watching Last Night. This is an exchange about the 2020 election and democracy. Did he lose the 2020 election . Tim, im focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris Censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 covid situation . That is a damning nonanswer. Mark, im curious to get your take on that. How much would that exchange, do you think, moved the needle as early voting gets under way for this election. Mark . Im sorry, i just had a Dog Incident here. The January 6th answer, i think that was i think that was the biggest moment of the debate. I think it is a disqualifying moment for vance. At The End of the day, he made it clear that his only his ultimate fealty is to Donald Trump and not the american voters. And if you cant Walzs Line about the fact this is why Mike Pence isnt here was a big moment of the debate. And jacob was speaking with the students about Gun Violence, et cetera. There was another interesting moment Last Night at the debate, Governor Walz recounted his Sons Experience with witnessing Gun Violence firsthand. Take a listen to this. Well, i think all the parents watching tonight, this is your biggest nightmare. I got a 17yearold, and he witnessed a shooting at a Community Center playing volleyball. Those things dont leave you. Tim, first of all, i didnt know your 17yearold witnessed a shooting. Im sorry about that. I appreciate that. Christ have mercy. It is awful. How do you see that moment . First of all, i thought it was Jd Vance did something that Donald Trump never would have done, empathy, that is absolutely awful. I think what was important, the moment after that where Jd Vance is, like, this shouldnt be happening, we should be able to do something. Yes. And yet policies put on the table by one of the candidates on this one of the tickets, the democrats, and then there is what republicans want to do, like, this is the rhetoric i think i think Jd Vance got a lot of foul points for the rhetoric. If you came into this debate or you maybe youre watching the clips and you dont know much about Jd Vance and dont know much about governor Tim Walz, i think you walked away from seeing some clips saying, i like Governor Walz. Like, well, Jd Vance is the same they say democrats and other folks say hes kind of an extremist. Didnt seem that way on the Debate Stage. Is that going to win or lose the election . No. But this is a point on a timeline in a story that is being told. And voters are going to have to make a decision and i do think that a number of things that transpired Last Night, they matter. How the campaigns and candidates use the clips coming Out Of that debate, how they amplify the messages, it matters. One thing that Jd Vance kept coming back to, so forget about lets talk about substance, david, he kept on bringing everything back to being a problem with immigrants or migrants, whether it was housing or issues with school resources, or crime, obviously, the whole Springfield Part of the conversation. Why did everything come back to immigration . Because it registers with voters. You talk to voters left, right and center, in the Battleground States, especially in Battleground States that are not border states, which are most of them, and they look at the situation at the border and whether you agree with them or not, they dont like what they see, they have not liked President Bidens management of the border. And it is a very good issue for republicans to run on. In fact, Donald Trump has done his own Effort And Disservice by getting caught up in springfield, and the dogs and the cats and all that crazy stuff, because he has a case to make that the Management And Security at the border were better when he was president , and if he could get Out Of his own way, there are voters very, very open to that, and thats why Jd Vance did that. It is a huge vulnerability. The lack of Donald Trump telling republicans not to sign a deal is something i think which is another way in which he couldnt get Out Of his own way. If he would have said, sure, sign it, well do the best we can now and come back for more, the number one way in which Vice President harris has been able to undercut the president , the former president s argument on the border is how republicans and him handled that Border Security Bill and it might end up being the thing that loses the election. I want to reemphasize, if i could, that when were speaking about the haitian community in the united states, it is a hardworking, honest, comes to contribute and only gives pluses, no minuses. It is important to always state that. There is a reason why Senator Rick Scott in florida has had nothing critical to say about what is going on in springfield. And about the haitian community. They vote in florida. And florida republicans are very aware of that. Thank you very much. Symone sanders townsend, michael drucker, thank you. The Middle East on edge after a Missile Attack on israel. What an official told Nbc News about plans for retaliation. Back here in the u. S. the Death Toll from helene rises again. Well go to irwin, tennessee, where families and friends are so desperately searching for loved ones. What Donald Trump is now saying about a national Abortion Ban. Were back in 90 seconds. Stay with us. Ban. 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Up to now, most of the focus recently has been on israel and its relationship with the palestinians. For the last 50, 60 years, most recently over the last 12 months with hamas. Now we have seen things spread to the northern border, very intensely with hezbollah, and obviously state to State Conflict between israel and iran, thats a qualitatively different thing. Admiral, im wondering, is israel needing to respond to this massive Missile Attack, nearly 200 missiles yesterday. It is almost like is this one other step on the ladder of escalation . Unfortunately it is. And lets start with those 200 missiles, those were all Ballistic Missiles, super high speed, they go from iran to hitting in israel, in ten minutes, 12 minutes, very difficult to defend against. Iron dome doesnt do it. It is a hard air defense problem. So, israel is exactly right, is going to respond, the agree to which they respond will determine whether this is in fact a Turning Point or whether there is still a climbdown available here. If you ask me to put odds on i