Hello, this is the Meeting Place at ntv, the place where everything becomes clear. I am andrey norkin, my colleague ivan trushkin, we are working live, today we will start our program with reports from Operational Services from the samara region, but we generally start each program with some information coming from the fsb or the ministry of defense, well as a rule, we always talk about what happens directly on the line of collision. To shell us there in the belgorod or bryansk regions with with the help of drones, here samara , to put it mildly, is far from the front line, but nevertheless, it means ill give a quote there today, the explanation is this there was illegal interference by outsiders in the work of railway transport, well, simply put, they wanted to blow up a railway bridge, which known at the moment, at approximately 6 00 am in the area of the railway bridge over the chapaevka river. An explosion occurred, according to preliminary information, it was a homemade bomb, judging by the published footage that you will now see, sorry, the Metal Structures and fences are damaged, the concrete bridge supports and tracks themselves are intact. The ria novosti agency, citing the unified dispatch service at the fsb, reported that no one was injured. Traffic on this section of the railway is temporarily suspended. Experts assure, check, excuse me, whether the bridge can do it. To withstand the weight of trains, the Russian Department has not yet commented on the attempted detonation, but in ukraine, the Main Department of local intelligence confirmed, and quite quickly, that there was an explosion in the samara region explosion, they claim that military cargo was allegedly transported by rail, but what is interesting is that they did not take responsibility for what happened, this is also such a rare thing. Ukraine traditionally increases terrorist activity in moments of aggravation of a difficult situation for it on the fronts, so it became from. The fleet is planting its flag on the ruins of one of the buildings in novomikhailovka. Novomikhailovka is approximately 60 km from the recently liberated avdeevka. At the same time , in the video that we show you, if watch with sound, you can hear shots and explosions, that is, the battles are taking place somewhere very close to the place, to the place of filming. The ukrainian general staff does not comment on the situation around novomikhailovka, while the ukrainian telegram channel deep state has practically admitted the loss of another settlement. This channel publishes a promotion map. Russian troops concludes in the Current Conditions , the task for the Ukrainian Armed forces to return novamikhailovka has become almost impossible. Well, today, although, probably, even yesterday evening the day before , footage of the destruction near avdeevka appeared on the internet, already the second abrams tank. The video was published by the developers of the russian drone, which bears this name. You see, a ghoul. Successively, two of these drones, one after the other, fly up to the standing abrams and hit it in the thinnest place, this is where, in the area of the tower, it turned out that before that the fabrams were hit from the rp, hit the caterpillar, directly immobilizing the tank, and then our tank crews have already worked on it, and they arrived at pyri, as they say, in finland. Well, tymes analysts were excited by what it chief artie margarit published simonyan records conversations between highranking luftwaffe officers about how they are going to better bomb the crimean bridge using german longrange taurus missiles. From this transcript, from this recording, it became clear how longrange missiles get into ukraine in general. This was not only about german ones, for example, french officers allegedly transport their scalps in audi q7 suvs, it is unclear whether they were special, or simply somehow converted. Boxes with missiles, the british in richchback armored vehicles. Here you go the times writes that this is very valuable information for Russian Special services and intelligence, because now it will be possible to find these machines and track exactly how, when, and how many such cargoes and longrange missiles are transported. Well, lets look at the footage again, if we can see the hunched over man in a hat, can we move it . Yes, this is her alexander lamsdorff, the german ambassador in moscow, he was summoned today to smolenskaya square, this is the meade building. You see how he enters there, in fact, her lamsdorf spent time in the Mead Building for about 15 minutes, he came out, then refused to comment, but in the kremlin they comment on the story of the german leak in extreme detail. The record itself suggests that neondeswehr is discussing substantively and specifically plans to strike the territory of the russian federation. This does not require any legal interpretation; everything here is more than obvious and remains to be found out. Do the bundeswehr do this on their own initiative, then the question is how manageable the bundeswehr is, or is it part of state policy, the federal republic of germany, both are very bad. Andrey vladimevich, i dont know about you, but all weekend i watched german publications as they tried to work on this topic, it was a pleasure to watch how they shifted the focus directly from what they were talking about, the very fact of the leak, oh my god, we are being tapped by putin in every phone in every one of these. Then the transcript of this conversation, we quickly paid attention to some moments right on the air, but we didnt have the text then, much less we hadnt listened yet audio recording, this is the most important thing, the most interesting thing for our program, we did not yet know the reaction from the other side, but now it is not only unofficial and media, but quite official, this is where we would like to start today, last saturday in the bundesweir confirmed the authenticity. Of a recording in which highranking german officers discussed plans for an attack on the crimean bridge. German press politicians demanded an explanation from the ministry of defense as to how the russians managed to wiretap. Report to sunday fell to the head of the defense department, boris pistorius. He announced the beginning of an investigation and promises the first results within a few days. At the same time, pistorius urged quote not to fall in love with vladimir putin, and traditionally placed the responsibility on russia. The germans had a problem, but it also brought a significant victory to the kremlin. Moscow indicates that the west is aiming for further escalation. This is generally a blatant selfexposure. Theres such a small discrepancy between how the media is covering this and the official version, which in general , apparently has already been formed, thats all, what happened, russian propaganda, well, of the latter, you can probably remember a similar story with the scandal in the canadian parliament, if you remember, when it already turned out that Justin Trudeau the Prime Minister personally signed the invitation to that nazi old gonki, remember when he was asked, mr. Prime minister, what can you say about this . That you personally, he says, this is all russian propaganda, it wont work, we do, yes, well, you see here, here its the same thing, though there are still some here who promise the results of investigations , vitali leonich, thats how much in your opinion, this is the version that this is russian propaganda, we need to pay more attention to the very fact of the leak, it seems to be more effective , more working, this is what will be discussed in germany, as for germany, then for that reason. Though with still unclear consequences, why . That means, on the one hand, now, this is not only what you paid attention to, but there is also another aspect, this is an attack on scholz, why . Because in this almost fortyminute conversation it was mentioned that scholz uses Incorrect Information about taurus, about their capabilities, he proceeds from the fact that it is irrational to use taurus in ukraine, and this phrase of the German Military now appears as an element of pressure precisely. Well in general, in short, either the peace party wins, or the war party wins, that is, with one we attribute it to the peace party now, wait, you will attribute this yourself now, i will now throw smart thoughts at you on the fan, and you will mean them develop. They are discussing disloyalty to the current chancellor , he says the chancellor is a fool, because they dont send taurus, we now need to create such a present, as he says, small, i read the whole thing, a small file , there is a fifteenminute report, we need to show that. And the minister defense is responsible for financing the military armed forces, but at the same time dont interfere with them, lets have yours after all, it will be for me, so when we talk about the leak, papitorius it doesnt hit at all, because its the military, which is separate from it, its the general staff, there is military intelligence, who else are there rocket scientists and so on, discussed this story, this is firstly, that is, it does not relate to him, but what if he is like a manager, and he turns out that secret information of these people is flowing secret. About their indirect participation has not leaked, when today they discuss this story , scholz is absolutely right, and there is no actual intervention of the german army yet, there is a leak, and a leak of information and there is a certain plot that was discussed there, but direct intervention of the german army in conflict for now they didnt see it, so theres a slightly different aspect, which in general needs to be understood correctly, lets try it a little differently, is this leak far away from us . This is because the german army, in one form or another, whether with taurus or without taurus, somehow gets deeper into this conflict or, on the contrary , brings it closer, that is, i dont understand how, but if some reshuffles begin there, dragging of the rope , maybe this brings us closer to the fact that, on the contrary, the hawks will win and the germans will get even more involved in this, look, i would just from our position precisely because russia is interested in this in general, and i considered this leak, because, well , just sharing this kind of Intelligence Data is a big sin, because you have a channel for receiving information, for some reason you are leaking it, no , in order to continue to use it, receiving invaluable information about what the enemy is up to, there is such a version, if you want, we have in russia the concept of sergei karaganov, which assumes the following, we are not interested in crawling up the ladder of escalation, because what the. A waste of resources, and this should not continue for long, therefore, according to karaganovs concept, we are interested in flying up the escalation ladder and reaching a certain catharsis, so that the threat of a Nuclear Conflict is already palpable, and after that the gentlemen have the opportunity to sit down at the negotiating table start seriously negotiating, and if we follow this concept, then we are not interested in the war party in germany. According to her, in paris they are discussing the idea of allowing special forces and military units of france to cross the border with ukraine. The presence of French Forces is supposedly necessary to limit attacks on some ukrainian territories and thus put russia in front of a certain strategic dilemma. Apparently, the russians will not attack the french under the french flag. At the same time , journalists emphasize there are already representatives of all western Intelligence Services in ukraine. President macron again fueled talk of sending nato troops. Tse sozhet sufam. Which i pronounce in this context is balanced, thought out and verified; this is a rather serious topic. Woke up and german hawks. In the bundestag, the refusal of liver chancellor scholz to send troops to ukraine was called a threat to european security. But canada is ready to send military personnel to ukraine, although for now only on the condition that they will not participate in hostilities and will only advise the Ukrainian Armed forces. There was a lively response in the baltic states. Lithuanian authorities said they welcome talk of sending troops and are ready. As for sending soldiers to ukraine, i think that we should not refuse to consider this option. Were not talking about combat connections, this could be training and other types of assistance to ukraine. The American Press is now discussing the possibility of a direct clash between russia and nato. The Washington Post newspaper estimated that about 2,000 foreigners from more than 50 countries are already fighting in ukraine. Moreover, according to journalists, they are working in kiev. Yes, this war is much more complicated than in iraq and afghanistan. On top of that, there were times when the entire division didnt have the best leadership. And many of these people found it very difficult to work, especially when they came from very well trained units. Anton vadelevich. And the story with the taurus . This is macrons proposal , when one after another they begin to join it, even if not the first leaders of europe, but nevertheless, these are all steps along that same ladder, escalation, our reaction, so lets take it one step at a time, these negotiations this is a blow to the war party, lavrov calls it a war camp, i call it a war party, it seems to me that this is a more accurate definition, we need to understand who our enemy is, when communicating, i get the impression that people. It seems to people that the war party is a coalition, only a coalition of certain aggressive states, there with leaders at the head, in fact it is more, in my opinion it is an octopus that is present one way or another in all countries of the war. Somewhere more clearly with leaders at the head, now macron is also there, for what reasons this needs to be further understood, and somewhere less clearly, such as, for example, there are generals, which means the German Military department, who, like remember, i said on the last broadcast, lets not draw conclusions, dont rush about scholz, when they began to say that scholz was playing a double game, based on that, we dont know, yes, but based on the correspondence that was published from the transcript, based on his public statements, we can do. It seems that in this situation, these negotiations took place behind scholzs back without his direct sanction, in my opinion, i agree with my colleague that the main character here is pistorius, which is important, he also noted that it was this person who was named in as the most likely successor in the event of scholzs replacement, and in this way, germany would turn into just that option, where the war party is represented with the leader of the country, so far this is not happening, as for escalation, as i said. Colleague, a beautiful version, it does not take into account one thing that the party wars, which , as i say, are an octopus, and there are military and politicians and the media, everyone, they benefit from this escalation, if we assume that we, that we assume that we will then force them to sit down, they they wont be afraid, they want to have additional arguments, to send in troops, to do something else, no, it seems to me that it is beneficial for them to stretch it all out over time and the longer. He says in plain text that the use of taurus will mean the impact of the involvement of germany, and germany will become a party to the conflict. By the way, we know that they are now discussing all these things in the media from the point of view of the actual entry of nato troops in one form or another into territory of ukraine is also beneficial, because if previously the voter of macron, scholz, who. The war party is not weakened at all, it received a blow, she will resist, and naturally her representatives will do everything. Today, in my opinion, or yesterday bilt , that means the editorinchief, or one of the editors there, accuses scholz of, just imagine, that he is trying to repeat, that means, schroders maneuver at one time, which led germany away from involvement in this military operation in iraq, as if forgetting that thanks to schroedr, germany was in the country and in all this. The third world war, so he understands that he will leave the next term, he has no chance practically, that he will leave, but he can become a person who will go down in history as the author of the third world war, because if they pin this on someone, then it will be on the germans, although at first they denied it as best they could, but what is important here is this, we we dont ask ourselves why, so to speak, the french, americans and british feel completely calm in ukraine, including the military, and are not worried about what germany, so to speak, has revealed. In germany the Parliamentary Army sends military personnel somewhere. Contains, so to speak, not only secret information, but information that the German Military is not only planning a strike on the crimean bridge, but is also discussing a variety of options on how to secretly deliver information to ukraine about what is included in the military operation, so that they are not directly coordinated the military, and the military sitting at the manufacturers of these missiles, so that on the military, i just reread the entire encryption last night, so that the shadow would not fall directly on the military, which. Ivan, excuse me, very briefly, already during the delivery of marders and leopards there is such a Scientific Service of the bundestag, it provided an examination that this, in fact, according to german law, can be considered a reason for direct participation in the conflict. Lets Alexander Nikolaevich still have time for this part . Well have time, well have time, we can, well, lets do this , so its clear that the German Government is faced with the task of doing it in such a way that if something happens, if something happens. Then germany will be careful, but at one time nicholas ii said that russia does not want to participate in a world war, but not will allow little serbia to be crushed, it has begun. So, neither german