Soon be worth a billion dollars and you know just like i go on Treasure Hunt and they go down into the deep blue sea looking for Hidden Treasure and wrecks with lots of gold on there you know theyre going to be digging through the landfill to get that hard drive well you know there was another gift and that is the tax reform but were going to get into that the next episode because you talk to michael when we were in new york and im going to save that for the next episode but because were talking about in the second half you have a very fascinating interview with this guy with about handbags and michelle blocks going to really love that interview because i want to talk about stores of value because this is been a big debates and spend rejoining obviously this big cash because mine. Versus bitcoin cash all these sort of is it a store of value is it a means of exchange what is because well investors are dumping gold to buy bitcoin say strategists a key trend of the. Gold market has just been broken and big going could be to blame the gold miners e. T. F. D. D. X. Is falling nearly fifteen percent from its september highs while gold has plunged to lows on scene since the end of july this is curious says Larry Mcdonald head of u. S. Macro strategy at a. C. G. Analytics as the move lower in gold has also been followed by a move down in bond yields which according to the strategists is very rare of course after this article it did kind of swap a little bit by neil started to rise and start to rise as well but yes well weve been saying this for quite some time there is a move out of everything into bitcoin and this is part of the big black hole is pulling gold right now gold and silver is being pulled into the big black hole because its a superior store of value centrally and nobody wants to carry around pounds and pounds of silver in kilos of goals that really you know i mean when you can put all this on a thumb drive or memory wallet and then lose the memory wall and then end up in a landfill picking through diapers looking for an old hard drive so he says that there was an eighty two point five percent correlation between bond yields and gold and that spend broken at the moment because of bitcoin is what he blames he also sees that theres more Downside Risk to gold because he says if you add up all the crypto currencies and the liquid gold that is in the market right now the cryptocurrency is a market cap are now twenty three percent of the liquid tradeable gold that is up from two or three percent a year ago so crypto currencies are definitely eating in to the gold play well you know gold is not a finite supply you know theyre adding to the tons of gold mine every year hundreds of tons of gold additive supplies supplies expanding in twenty eighteen what will see our Central Banks adding big oil into their Strategic Reserves alongside gold so. Big gold buyers like china and russia will be adding bitcoin to their Strategic Reserves some banks possibly in venezuela they could completely change their fortunes in the Global Economy by switching over to crypto switching over to bitcoin and then that will set a precedent for other countries to follow suit well in fact bulgaria has like three billion dollars worth of bitcoin that they seized from some scam so thats actually the benefit you know in the early days of bitcoin one of the things that was often said by governments you said threat and they were going to shut it down or attempt to shut it down was that it was you know a haven for you know no good do gooders like drug runners and drug cartels and hitman and all that sort of thing but a heart of those people a lot of the scam artists on line scam artists and shakedown artists are based in places like boag area romania so the fact that they get to seize the assets of these bad guys you know you become a safe haven for bad guys and you can seize all their assets and thats right its not a bug its a feature look im talking about bad guys with money launderers and evil doers and crypto currency is lets not forget that its estimated twenty to thirty trillion dollars held offshore unaccounted for by any Tax Authority that money is always looking for safe havens that money is always buying fine art and yachts and that money is inching its way into bitcoin thats another you know ten thousand percent gain right there from current prices then youve got the hedge funds nibbling at it then youve got more apps like the one from. The cash you know that people over there where square you know theyve got a cash you know thats going to compete with coin base and itll be millions more people getting into it you mentioned hedge funds hedge funds are pulling out of gold and seeking thrills elsewhere hedge funds are pulling out of gold bets as more exciting equities and crypto currencies make safe haven investments boring Money Managers cut their bets on a bully on rally at the fast months as prices. For the worst quarterly loss and the years months as prices headed for the worst quarterly loss and the year speculators are throwing in the towel as the metal failed to sustain the gains that took futures to a one year high in september of course throwing in the towel is a good time to start investing right theres a concept in investing called capitulation when all the sellers have sold there is no more sellers left you know and then any buying on the margins will start to rally and you start the whole process over again on the bull side so i think twenty eighteen actually in a contrarian point of view will see gold it all time highs which would be roughly a sixty percent move from here lets say which is not very interesting if youre a crypto is enthusiastic but nevertheless it would hit a new all time high yes some of the old coins especially because theyre lower market cap. Will rise like up to seventy five percent in a day so its pretty crazy but speaking of bitcoin and hedge funds bill millers hedge fund has half of his money and big coin bill miller is giant in the investing space he was at legg mason for thirty five years he founded their s. And p. Five hundred Investment Fund at legg mason and remarkably he says that theyre fifty percent right now partly because of the price rise he got in i guess before six thousand dollars. Between a thousand and six thousand dollars he got them and its because of the price rises now makes up as a percentage of his fund its fifty percent bill miller was beating the market for decades and then he had it down here for a couple down years he kind of retired and now hes reborn rising like a phoenix in the crypto space and as his performance numbers come in pentair our capital i think is a bit with a group they reported twenty four thousand percent return on their crypto portfolio versus lets say quantum fund which is george. Us and jim rogers they were considered to be one of the best minds in finance they generated Something Like a forty six hundred return percent return over the life of that fund approximately ten years theyre considered geniuses here pentair a return twenty four thousand percent in less than three years or maven be just for one year so this obviously is going to attract that multitrillion Dollar Hedge Fund market plus Money Managers like bin miller plus sovereign wealth funds remember that some more trillions of dollars waiting to be invested in crypto plus the Central Banks so the amount of buying pressure ready to come into the space is in the multi hundred trillion people are piling in and now theyre piling in against the likes of bill miller and all the early holders and the the people who have been around in the space who have survived at least five or six down markets of fifty sixty seventy up to ninety percent so people are piling in and i do notice something thats happening is that theyre just looking at the price of whatever a small whatever one of the thousand all coins or tokens is and theyre thinking all of it will go as high as big corning and they missed the big coin ride so theyre going to invest and anything thats under like one hundred dollars and hope rises and there it has of course as they all pile in its the are tiny markets and the pile in and drive the price up so there is a bit of a. You know a speculative bubble going on there in terms of some of the coins well you know people compare lets say like coin charlie at least going with silver and bitcoin being the gold of the space and an interesting comparison there because if you follow gold and silver you know that when gold moves so over will react more aggressively on a percentage basis and i think Going Forward anyone whos interested in this point is a core position and you nibble away at these other coins but you need to own as a core position big coin. And then learn as much as you possibly can about bitcoin then you can learn about why these other coins are different than bitcoin but because it is the gateway into this whole universe and you know must begin there well you as when you were a banker you saw that a lot of people would say oh warren buffets shares in Berkshire Hathaway are way too expensive its like three hundred thousand dollars thats too expensive to buy all the nineteen early one nine hundred eighty s. They were at two thousand dollars and they were considered you know a lot of brokers i was working on wall street would say are you kidding its too high you know now theyre pushing you know three hundred thousand dollars prices really a meaningless metric in many ways. But that unit bias as some call it they soon because of the multi tens of thousands and this ones an eight hundred therefore its cheaper thats thats not correct theres no correlation between price and value and you say cheaper i like that and i want to say the correlation between price and value that will also the bias towards lower prices our friend michelle block over at miss talk dot com thinks that buying a coach hamburger Something Like that for sixty five dollars there was a famous bit where hes like look why are women spending twenty five thousand dollars on this jerk birkin handbag guess when you can get this one looks perfectly fine to me for sixty five dollars yes and you do talk about this in the second half but before we go tell us what is that password stacy is my goddess stacy is my goddess hyphen slash five seven four hyphen dot net stay sing. Well stay tuned for the second i forgot to be talking about m. Bags dont go away. When you dont. Want. To add to. What the most. 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Welcome back to the kaiser report imax guys are the day after Christmas Show with santa claus get you did sad to bring you one of these oh this looks nice lets learn more about it from jeff burke jeff welcome imax could be in new york all right jeff burk also talk about handbags and the birkin bag what is the broken back phenomenon from a business point in a fashion standpoint this this bag was conceived by arm as far back as. This is sure is named after the famous celebrity actress jane birkin allegedly made by irmas on her behalf but what this bag has done it is rained World Champion of luxury and sophistication to women around the world if you are a guy who deals in bags the types about high end bags if youve got i guess an instagram presence yes you do and a quarter you say you do fifty five Million Dollars in revenue since two thousand and one two thousand and twelve to two thousand and twelve excuse me in bags yes and this bag would go for what in your market in our marketplace. If someone walked into ermas and bought that at the store which is otherwise impossible to do thats Twelve Thousand dollars beg the customers around the world that want us to get that on their behalf depending on how hot the color was thats a hot color theyre paying us between eighteen and twenty five thousand for a Twelve Thousand or so and theres a limited edition obviously back right that mean they theres all broken bags they sure are these are variations on that theme thats right so and his own book and get a kickback on all this Jane Birkin Jane burke jane burke and i. Dont apologize she sold the rights to the company years ago really yeah ok and so this is the reason were talking about this today is because. You know this goes back to one of our. Mike said locke oh who we had on and he said he couldnt believe that women pay these prices and collectors pay prices for handbags. These extraordinary levels but why not i mean these are these are socially collectibles right yes theyre and theyre in high demand super high so why wouldnt people pay up for them i mean its really as far as erm is concerned is not just a question of ability to pay its how they select the customers that they give the opportunity to pay for the bag you no matter what your celebrity status is or florence you cant as a rule in ur business say hey im wealthy what i hear about this conveyance i want to buy one today why not theres a very limited supply the one in your hand im going to have to guess takes between forty five to forty eight hours to make this handles literally take six hours to make of rolling on a craftsman only so what that is a very limited supply and what her mrs has is an articulated system that theyre saving that Twelve Thousand dollar bag for the v. I. P. Customer this coming in to buy fifteen to twenty five thousand dollars of other stuff tabletop bedding apparel things like that all right ok and what is the pay to pay to pay system the pay to pay system is something weve coined about what i just sort of circulated to another example is this bag right here is what is called industry was an exotic being crocodile alligator ostrich it has a u. S. Retail of about sixty five thousand dollars and in order to be able to get the opportunity to buy Something Like this the customer is going to have to be spending in the store sixty five to one hundred thousand dollars and other stuff in that calendar year in order to be offered the opportunity to buy one so now again no idea how this all works and this is another variation on it well look at tell us about this fabulous bag this this fabulous bag is actually a fabulous bag if youre a birkin geek its a color called the goon and they only made it for a few years and they stopped i think in two thousand and nine and when i gave you that estimate before that someone pays us between eighteen and twenty five even though this is a used bag in our. Which is an unused bag even though this is a used bag the color isnt super high demand because they simply dont make the color anymore and women are willing to pay it for used bag because theres no woman who got this crazy color who didnt use it so the opportunity to get something in the news condition is almost impossible is it is the market primarily women oh yeah and men buying on the back for their one for women ok and so this is do people actually go around the street carrying a sixty five thousand dollars bag hopefully not in the rain. This is alligator so it should do well as. You know a lot of people talk about the birkin is an investment and i think i dont know if its technically an investment but you do have to treat it well if you want to retain its value. Right and this is is there like you know collectible cars or ferraris and whatnot there are certain years that are better than others vintage years yeah theres not applied to this market i would say that the irmas birken customer is a parallel universe to the guys that youre talking about that they could sustain something how does a nine hundred sixty seven mustang still worth ninety thousand dollars guys who support the marketplace i would say there isnt so much of interest year for this stuff as much as there are vintage editions you know this for example to go and i told you about it was a very short run that this particular color was made so its more the collection in the color than the year itself so how did you get into this ive been a luxury in finance my whole life provided a. B. L. Financing to some of the biggest retailers know she has companies in the world and we took a lot of merchandise in possession back reselling it and my wife started taking around on e bay and with watches and jewelry and we sold a couple of these for girlfriends or is it needed money at the time and she was just blown apart by the feedback and she took a quick analysis like who are all the second place people out here doing that they seem to be like women with a not so great website and. Maybe on e bay and that was likely to thirteen as she said you know no ones doing this on instagram yet i could figure out the hash tag of house tag berkin hash tag thirty five centimeter berkin on and so forth and she started buying and selling them and she had a theory on how to execute and thats where weve stayed ever since and is so similar to my situation your wife is the brains of the operation. Absolutely. Lets me stay up front while shes moving them. All right so how do people know that youre going to deliver such an extravagant product you know whats the trust factor you have like a Rating System or how do you how does that work you know thats an awesome question it was hard in the beginning because. We were always forty percent of our business is international thirty five percent it was just the middle east oil and so yeah even today as big as we are and we have a superior reputation in this genre you know what makes a woman in buenos artists take that leap of faith to wire a seventy thousand dollars without using their credit card and its every single woman its a sophisticated customer generally theyre a highly educated customer and they do their diligence that what we d