Threat is she to joe biden for the democratic nomination lets talk about that with katrina vanden who will she is the editorial director and publisher of the nation and a Washington Post columnist shes in new york city welcome to the program thank you so theres a lot to discuss but 1st your publication the nation endorsed Bernie Sanders for president in 2016 are you expecting the nation to endorse him again. So early matthew what were endorsing is what we call the ideas primary and i think Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are winning that primary Elizabeth Warren has a plan for everything and i mean well thought through connected to her personal experience dealing with the true fundamental problems issues of this country Bernie Sanders ran a transformative campaign in 2016 and you got to give him credit that the issues he elevated medicare for all 15 minimum wage free Higher Education are now front and center in this debate medicare for all has several cosponsors were running in the democratic primary including Kirsten Gillibrand kamel harris so i think lets hope for a virtuous competition around the ideas primary Elizabeth Warren no question has through her tenacity through her persistence and through rolling out a plan every week. Driven her poll numbers up so i think she poses a real challenge both to joe biden and Bernie Sanders but for now the endorsement the nation is given as to the ideas primary and i love that the ideas primary thats a great way of looking at it and its exhausts me when we in the media just cover the horse race aspects so i want to do that however a little bit because of course its fascinating to look at the statistics and and where the polling is showing but lets also talk about some of the key differences what are the differences that you see between sanders and warren. I think didnt someone else put it quite well and shes a candidate who believes in regulating and taming capitalism shes kind of like Franklin Delano roosevelt 2. 0 in the sense that she wants to tame capitalisms excesses through regulation Bernie Sanders is the candidate of revolution of political change and i think he is known social democrat is a social democrat in a western european context but hes a democratic socialist at a time when that word no longer scares generation millennial i think its still a tough word in this countrys politics but shes very much someone who crafted a piece of legislation a few months ago called holding capitalism accountable very good piece of legislation but he is as he explained in a smart speech last week a democratic socialist so i think those are the fundamental differences i think she appeals to africanamerican women and women perhaps more than Bernie Sanders i think he still has great appeal among the Younger Generation which were many fired up in 2016 and have stuck with him but both of them are working overtime as they should to speak to the Africanamerican Community in ways that they certainly Elizabeth Warren didnt run last time but Bernie Sanders is speaking very clearly taking on Charter Schools i would posit that his Education Program is bolder than Elizabeth Warrens and certainly hes stronger on medicare for all which i think is a program whose time has come and has great appeal to millions of americans who are suffering from lousy health care in this country lets talk a little bit about about the polling numbers that we can understand those a little bit better were constantly hearing this reframe of the president that joe biden is the front runner so hes the front runner in certain key swing states is that correct do biden in warren have a chance oh i think i think sanders and warren have a chance i mean its not. Sagal when i saw you i saw a quinnipiac poll the other day you may have seen it matthew what was interesting to me is that you had biden i believe was biden leading trump the next under and then you had bernie then you had to lose both war and then you had booted gedge and then one other candidate now as we just talked about the nation loves to do ideas primary because we resist the horse race certainly the horse race can be sexy but polls are you know a snapshot and were so far out and so much can change i mean were in such a volatile moment in our politics matthew as you well know that you know a week can change our political dynamics and we have to you know we have 2 days of debates coming up next week those are going to be very important were going to see breakouts you may see a war and do very well you may see a biden falter so i think we got to be cautious but certainly there are interesting to look at and i think trump is training his. You know his wrath his tweets at biden to a large extent because hes worried about biden and his appeal which i believe Bernie Sanders has as well in those White Working Class communities where i would argue trump has in many ways betrayed his promises to those communities and so theres you know some real concern well lets talk about trumps betrayal of promises what are you speaking of particularly well i think you know hes treated as this aberration i think trump ism is a fundamental force in this country today ethno reactionary right wing populism but hes essentially signed on to the traditional right wing republican tax cuts for the richest deregulation for the most powerful corporations and though the economy is doing well his tax policies and the regulatory policies have not served his voting base well. I would all i would id also say that his military stance he you know campaigned in a sense not as an isolationist but as someone who didnt want to waste trillions of dollars in the middle east look what hes doing with one of the things that trump is talking about is the likes to claim that we have the lowest unemployment figures in years of course these are unemployment figures that he himself said dont Pay Attention to unemployment rates prior to his election and even in the 1st months he was in office has the economy the economys been improving for under Obamas Administration as well has he done anything to actually improve the economy at greater rates than obama was already doing and can i couldnt even claim credit for the economy i think thats a great that is the great question i think the economy has its own motors its own drivers i think were seeing the outcome of an obama economy which trump scorned but trump is benefiting from it now i wouldnt forget that wages still remain stagnant that credit card auto debt. College debt is still very high in this country banks are ever more consolidated we could be on the cusp of a recession or another financial crisis so as i said i dont think trumps tax policies or do regulatory policies which are very traditionally right wing republican have benefited those who are in communities or plants are leaving the industrialization is occurring one thing i think the democrats and this is where Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are strong and joe biden is not they they have understood that the trade policies nafta for example or entering w t o those policies have shafted working people in this country can you talk a little bit about some of the innovative ideas coming from other Democratic Candidates like andrew yang and Marianne Williamson i believe they both support a universal basic income these are specific policy concepts that according to their studies and their testimony would certainly stimulate the economy and could could even radically change the the the level of poverty abject poverty in this country were people to be able to have a 1000. 00 a month extra lets say. Matthew its interesting i think its not just saying Marianne Williamson but i think the top tier candidates as well have supported u. B. I. Universal basic income but fused it and i think important to fuse it with a guaranteed jobs program you know the dignity of work issue is a central one for the progressive wing of the Democratic Party and i think thats something that all the candidates now understand they must speak to cory booker has talked about an innovative idea called baby bonds and investment in from the very outset to lift up children of you know of all classes i think tolson gabbert is an interesting candidate in my view shes going to be in the 1st debate because shes really the only one speaking very clearly about the dangers of endless war of regime change war but most particularly the escalating Nuclear Peril fueled by a new dangerous cold war but there are a lot of interesting ideas we talked about the medicare for all the one idea which i think is extraordinarily important and both Sanders Warren and others the Green New Deal which takes the Climate Crisis out of an elite perspective and builds into a jobs transition in communities suffering from changing economics build renewable jobs invest in the infrastructure of this country for a modern economy so i think youre were going to youre going to see some really interesting ideas now ideas arent all that matter as you know i hate to do the electability piece or the likability piece but people are also looking for authenticity and candor and i think thatll be important to witness in the debates who do you think is going to come across the most authentic or who do you think is the most authentic let me ask about one. Well i mean i think you know i am part of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party so i let me just focus i think Bernie Sanders is who he is hes gruffydd doesnt pretend to be anyone other than he is and his ideas are embedded in decades of work Elizabeth Warren as i said earlier connects her ideas to her own Family Experience for example losing her home or the need to get education with her family couldnt afford it or her mother trying to find a job after her father died so young and she takes these ideas into parts of the country were communities are reeling for example her opioid plan she unveiled in i think west virginia. So i think she has a lot of candor and authenticity joe biden is complicated hes a man of a different time trying to make it in a new time and you can see him you know. Navigating that difficulty and trying to be more of this generation of this moment now whats so fascinating is were talking about 3 candidates i think warren tell me im wrong is 70 bernese like 76 and biden is 77 i believe that people of all ages should run but we havent talked about the Younger Generation i mean buddha judges 37 tulsa gabbert is 37 a seth moulton whos not going to be in the debate is very young andrea yang is very young and then you have the middle tier so i dont know how that plays with authenticity but whats always fascinated me is that Bernie Sanders one of the oldest candidates has a very young following not a not all millennial so theres cant break down into one monolithic generation but thats interesting i think they see the authenticity they like the kind of you know that he treats them seriously that hes not pandering to them that its not glib or sound bites also with war as you pointed out is the most revolutionary some of his ideas are the most or the most clearly different than the status quo certainly is ongoing position about the iraq war and and the drumbeat that again were hearing now with regards to iran but thats all the time we have today thank you so much thank you and more politicking right after the break. 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Welcome back to politicking im matthew cook sitting in for Larry King Donald trump has engaged in a 4 year war against the Mainstream Media which he labels as fake news and enemies of the people most people except his diehard supporters dismiss this war as political rhetoric its not out now its false its but a new book by the founder of the Media Research center sets out to prove an anti trump bias by the media brant bozell coauthor of that book entitled unmasked big medias war against trump joins me now from reston virginia bret welcome to the program. No matter how you good good so lets talk about your book youre setting out to make the case that the media is waging war against President Trump so give me the top 3 bullet points that prove your case. Well i would say 1st of all it just to correct your introduction its not that most people believe it paul so its more people believe that that there is fake news then that i think that thats a bigger problem than a whole host of things including Climate Change in America Today so this isnt just a fringe group of supporters believing this is a vast swath of the American People think that theres a real problem in the news media today if you look at. The news that is reported i like to compare it to where the news was 20 years ago when people like larry king were on Networks Like c. N. N. You had groups like the Media Research center that were criticized in the media for a liberal bias and yet with a network like c. N. N. You had an organization like the Media Research center that could go to c. N. N. And i could meet with the president of c. N. N. It could lay out the grievances and discuss it c. N. N. Might might not agree alternately but there was a discussion that could be had there is no discussion any longer there is an antagonism toward the conservative movement that weve never seen before the conservative movement in general and donald trump in particular the likes that no one has ever seen before well before before we get back to my question lets talk about the conservative movement what particularly do you mean by that because you know as someone who was an active critic of obama during his administration and active critic of the media under obama critical of his drone bombing attacks critical of his disregard of the rule of law when it came to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice and really delving into the circumstances behind the horrific attack. I was critical of a lot of things under obama that i would consider a Corporate Media problem and not an anti conservative media problem so i want to understand what your criticism is of the media and if it overlaps with my own. Through theres an Interesting Development and its interesting you say this matthew. I believe that there is a growing. Left right. Convergence on a whole lot of issues where there is they are more like mind than most people realize take the example of big business conservatives and liberals point there is a lot of Common Ground and yet there are some conservatives and some of liberals who dont take the issue of decency i work very closely with steve allen who is live liberal politically as i was conservative politically yet we can see eye to eye i think there are those issues within the conservative movement there are the same kind of tensions there are with the left some people like donald trump some people dont like donald trump but what we tried to get across in this book is that the integrand ism towards trump is partially because the book personal dislike for him and lets face it its a 2 way street but its also because its a personal dislike for the policies that he espoused which were open repudiation on almost everything of barack obama and this is something the media didnt like at all so that this is interesting to me because i would argue and suggest that the media is really most interested in ratings above and beyond anything else and because donald trump is such a wealth of lowest common denominator tactics town et cetera et cetera and the lies are i mean theyre astonishing i mean one of my favorite donald