More stark somebody convicted and absconded marcia whos been under investigation this is been hanging over her head and since 2012 shes been actively pursued by the authorities since 2015 so much so that shes been on bail when she was on bail and her American Green card expired she wasnt able to go and go to the states because she only and the bail conditions are like there are accuser and yet she was then detained for 472 days since november 27th 17 until just this june while he has been treated completely different is very arbitrary its basically a personal problem with spiraled out of control why would they want to pick on her the great judicial system or is that the Greater Authority is we believe that there is. In a sense this is bizarre why is this happening i havent even told you that the same time this you you mentioned about these the sky idea that she them besought she actually bought of a Company Brought civil proceedings in the Kuwaiti Court saying this money is doing owing and the quaids the civil courts both but for. 1st instance on appeal actually agreed and said yes this money is due and owing and should be paid thats part of the allegations against islam the right out if it doesnt know what the left hand is doing some people wages you think what you think about the Death Penalty which has just been reintroduced. What you expect them was just as from a middle east or talks in any way well 1st stop kuwait who is just stepped out has as chair of the Security Council for this last month and who has signed all the un treaties particularly the basic rights that everyone should expect in relation to a fair trial should respect them secondly we have many many nonnationals in kuwait and indeed in the gulf states generally who are coming there to do business acting and behaving lawfully they need to have to expect and have the confidence that the judicial system will treat them fairly and not arbitrarily as this is happened in this case there was a big conference here about our british investments and there was a general ease about what was happening to Foreign Investors in the gulf in relation to the criminalize ation of what is essentially commercial disputes and essentially fights between commercial companies for lucrative gulf contracts and we believe that this is that marsh if you like is Collateral Damage in the wider by every between local firms for lucrative gulf contracts but i want to get on to International Economic pressure in a 2nd its quite noisy here very busy law firm it is i want to ask 1st of all youve filed a petition of complaint to the u. N. Working group on arbiter detention would you expect from the working group that well we found out about a month ago now kuwait has 6 weeks to respond so were eagerly awaiting a very. Spawns to see how they justify this bizarre behavior for some of their courts. And then following that kuwait has time to respond and then they are working group will then consider what has happened and give their opinion as to whether in fact this is a case of arbitrary detention or not we confidently expect that an impartial body like that will see the difficulties in justifying this particular aspect and to come up with that is it partly depends of course on the response from kuwait because as i said they have 6 weeks they could ask for another month depends how big that long that response is so were not talking about imminently that we will we will wait and see at the same time weve also engaged with another procedure the u. N. Which is called the special report on the independence of judges and prosecutors and that is just his role isnt just to look at the independence of judges its also to look at the. Standard of behavior and in this case for example there was an explicit are thing that happened just the other week because i mention that marsh has not been able to push the case and she has a very. Support from including the former f. B. I. Head who has looked at the evidence against and weve produced a report when he produced that reports to the court the judge came out with the extraordinary question of him which was who played you in the channel 4 series homeland i was in the Kuwaiti Court that was in the Kuwaiti Court because he was 4 of. Louis freeh ok what was the point of the u. N. Arbitration working committee because as you know well theyve criticized british authorities this came i think even before the u. N. Special report on torture accused the British Government of involving torture julian a search for under wiki leaks if the british authorities dont. Appear to care much about findings on arbitrary detention when it comes to the most famous publisher in the world what do you begin to think about your glimpse of the u. N. Im well of the great government thing of course you know the u. N. Working groups the un special rapporteur dont have any teeth i mean they dont have any troops to send in they dont have a police force to send in however they do have. Opinion false and underweight of International Condemnation behind that its also the fact that as you may or may not be aware that under the u. N. Human Rights Council there are 4 year leave reviews of countries compliance with human rights standards and kuwait is coming up in january and certainly we intend to make sure that this issue about the trial process and how there seems to be arbitrary justice a different sets of rules for one group of people from another and the dangers for International Business pair persons coming to kuwait to carry out business invest. In the country that should be something that we intend hope will be raised very strongly and kuwait would have to answer for that in the in the court of the United Nations in the court of Public Opinion from you being human rights lawyer for you lara logan as a whole long i mean isnt this the problem with human rights when the lead rich Russian National gets into problems in the middle eastern country. They get protection from lawyers like you understand the virtual claims kuwait and julie restricts reno expression discriminates against the we do community there are reports of torture before death sentences. Why is it only there were im not saying that marsh is the only person who may have suffered here. In kuwait overseas that would be ridiculous but you know 1st of all mushed isnt exactly a elite. Rich russian she is a businesswoman who has made her way in the world she has become very prominent in kuwait partly because so few women hold her sort of position that she made that position as though she came to kuwait as a Foreign National and because of her work and has skills. Put herself in that position secondly of course there are other Human Rights Violations that we can we can all see around the world but one of the question surely is human rights is for everyone and rich or poor to have your liberty arbitrarily taken away from you. Should not be done it out to process on a proper system of law you mention the former head of the f. B. I. Louis freeh people have remarked on the very high profile defenders of the liberty of bush. River neil bush the son of george or walker bush. The door trump has been briefed by a renter for me a lawyer and the Russian Foreign minister Sergei Lavrov why do you think this case is attracting such high profile support because i think as we know people are concerned about the ability of International Trade to operate in the in the right manner and this question about can Business People who are going about their lawful business complying with the laws of the state can they be sure that if there is some sort of dispute it wont be turned against them in a way that leads to what happened to marsha 472. 00 days in a kuwaiti prison confined in a room with 6 other women which was actually a cell phone to deprive in prison she was quite described as the russian woman in fact in court in some of the earlier hearings the judge described as the russian woman this does not show. An equality before the law which is finally were in the same building as the Cherie Blair Foundation what is it given controversial surname you have what is the validation and what does it do around the world the let the schriever. Foundation to its 10 years old now in those 10 years weve reached 150000 women in lower middle Income Countries and providing them with training mentoring networks and. Use of technology to grow and expand the small medium and growing businesses women taking control of their future and helping them to realize their dreams. Thank you thank you after the break adviser to Prince Charles and porridge on his name checking by Mark Roylance when he put the World Shakespeare Company over be. Coming up with what you have going on the ground. If you will not obey the voice of the lord your god be careful to do all these commandments and the statutes which i command you this day in all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you. 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In geneva is today presented with a report into british racism exacerbated by conservative and liberal democrat politicians after the 28. 00 western economic crisis u. N. Special report and. Even suggested that the u. K. Government should not be surprised by allegations of racism brazil woodley she was referring to outgoing Prime Minister of tourism a. Hostile environments and deportation advertisement but will things get better here because may has cell. Said that Boris Johnson uses the wrong words when it comes to discrimination its very clear that the language that Boris Johnson used to describe peoples appearance has caused offense its not language i would have used i think its wrong to use that language boris of course could be Prime Minister in june of weeks or it could be this man the defacto former boss of the u. K. Is universal Health Care System when doctors went out on strike here he is questioning the right of foreigners to get Free Health Care is it right that someone can come from overseas perhaps a tourist coming from america or japan and actually pay nothing towards the health care some might argue it is especially if it deterred a tourist with a contagious disease from seeking medical help while visiting britain but have both contenders to be Prime Minister by august have anything in common it is their interest in say fracking jeremy hunt was in slovenia lobbying for fracking in february and johnson has argued that households should have a commercial interest in fracking thats not something that would be supported by dry end of green politics in britain for decades joining me now is the chancellor of kill university an environmental campaigner Jonathon Porritt thanks so much older for coming on so lets go straight to more graylands one of britains greatest actors name checking you dont plea as one of the reasons he has decided to sever ties with the royal Shakespeare Company is because of its sponsorship by b. P. To be fair this is. All marks decision really and he asked me what i felt about it knowing that i have over the years done some work with oil and Gas Companies including b. P. And shell and had to come to a judgment for myself about the degree to which they are serious now about thriving in a low carbon World Without further investments in oil and gas so we talked about that at length and i feel very strongly that when someone like mark feels a moral imperative that is wrong for a company like b. P. To be spending some of its what he would call ill gotten gains on supporting young people through the assisted ticket scheme you have to we have to listen to him hes thought about this really carefully its a very deep moral decision for him but i mean he quoted you as saying that b. P. Has downplayed its role in causing the Climate Emergency now you just said you advise b. P. Moon where they downplay it back then or the time that i was working with b. P. Was when lord brown was chief exec whos been on this show i should say good. There was a whole length of time for 5 years where b. P. Was really serious about trying to think its way out of being a pure oil and gas Company Becoming what john brown described as an integrated Energy Company in fact he would quite often say were not an oil and gas company were going to be an integrated Energy Company dr brown was very driven in his determination to change b. P. Around it didnt happen and once theyd lost that opportunity then so this is sort of 2000 at the time that he was chief exec once that happened then they reverted to a much more traditional conventional row which is we have to keep rolling out the investments in new and gas every year to replace the stuff we bring out of the ground every year and theyve never theyve never got back seriously into now. Police plea. Is against what youre saying bob dudley the current american c. E. O. Says b. P. Continues to make bold changes continues to me bold changes across the group as part of our commitment to advancing a low carbon future you know this is getting a bit outrageous that these companies will still talk about the fact were going to be burning huge amounts of oil and gas through 220402050 etc etc and the next moment theyll turn around and say were being really serious now about our economy insistent with the climate goals of the bears agreement is what they say but but you have to look at the pattern of investment the amount of money theyre spending on Renewable Energy now in comparison to the amount of money theyre putting into brand new oil and gas projects as are 4000000000. 00 half a 1000000000 on renewables 16000000000. 00 on oil and gas and thats the pattern that goes on year after year after year and they have to get smart about this before their investors get smart about it because once the investors say were not going to put any more money into projects that are never going to be able to deliver the revenues for us as investors given the world has to decarbonise. During that time the inverse is eventually going to say to bob dudley and his board youve got this wrong youre calling this wrong theres no way around this of course the investors can be politicians regulations actually mean that not diversifying into renewables is still profitable not diversity firing into radials is like signing your own death warrant we have to have massive new investments in Renewables Every Year i mean at the moment investments in renewable is run at about about 300000000000. 00 a year globally which isnt bad its quite a lot of money going into it as you can imagine but we need somewhere between 800000000000. 00 and a. Trillion dollars of new investment in Renewables Every Year so politicians are getting smarter about this to be fair a middling performance on this world leader on offshore wind power put a lot of resource and thinking into that and thats the one area where were still a world leader but every country in the world now is going to have to step up the speed and the depth of the investment it makes in renewables when you engine armageddon there just stepping back from this when you were talking with people at shell and people at b. P. Some people say this is the 1st generation of people in history that of. Trying to argue over something that their own children may be affected by against the interests of their own children and talk about ruling elites in dealing you make of what do you make of that presumably had conversations with people who said what youre saying is not well to pick a word sust