They get most of its. Thats where they got rid of to resume it now or is johnson hes not entirely trustworthy on. About. Injuring with the political coloration that so that we would draw all agreement and the political that the regime doesnt really mean anything its the road remember thats legally binding and thats what the problem is. His election hes been elected to. Run. And to say that stories from electoral. Ok let me go to lee here but lee when a good guess really the biggest problem in dealing with brags that at least when it comes to parliament is that both parties were divided on the issue within each party here can Boris Johnson unite the tories because if he can do that he might be able to poach from people across the aisle as it were here it really gets down to how he manages the party in my not correct go ahead lee well it does if youre playing fantasy politics if you play real politics then you know that the irish backstop the European Union is implacable position. And you know the record of mendacity and tomfoolery of Boris Johnson then you really wouldnt put your house on the boris being able to unify either his party or the country there are lots of people in the tory party with deep emotional scars from previous encounters yeah with Boris Johnson some of whom are sitting around the cabinet table is a cabinet full of deeply ambitious and venal politicians boris being the lead cheerleader amongst them but the extent to which he could maintain unity within that cabinet under the sweltering pressure that hes going to come under in brussels and the European Union i think will not unite the tory party but will break it into mark the same question here i mean i think we have a new personality ok in 10 downing street but i dont see the strategy moving forward ok to resume he says to resumes which are all deal is dead ok so what is his deal they can appeal to not only his own party but to the public at large i mean ive studied this very carefully im actually getting very bored with it because i dont see the needle being moved here what can he do that no one else has done mark. Ah well he can certainly do something. Nobody elses turn and that is he can prove either to be false or true the position that hes put forward to his party in the British Public and that position is that the reason may only fail because she didnt really believe in black sets and so far i think people on both sides of the aisle on this question probably have reason to be satisfied about what how things are going because hes assembled a team virtually every single one of whom wholeheartedly seem to believe or say they believe in brets it so lets see what happens bring it on and i think that obviously the downside of this is that if there is. No deal broke set and parliament is sidelined that we have all sorts of terrible constitutional issues that might happen i think in the end that mr johnson is not the kind of person who will be able to do that kind of thing i think that hes going to go to brussels his real tactic here his strategy is to hope that people in the e. U. Think heres a man who really knows what hes talking about rather who believes in what hes talking about so for once were going to have to really negotiate seriously this is where everything comes to the crunch whereas mrs may we manage to follow her off hes hoping that theyll be movement within the. Process and that he wont therefore have to go through with the no no deal threat so in terms of the unity however i think that the danger for people moderate people in the conservative party is that theyre going to be accused of being defeatists and not patriotic thats mr johnsons card hes talking up all this optimism isnt stuff daring his critics to say to produce reasons for not being quite so mindlessly optimistic and he will then turn around and say to the British Public these are people who dont believe in your country and that is a car that will work very well in england it will work very poorly in scotland and Northern Ireland. No its. Seems quite a lot of them like to distill to the oceans of reality ok well you know you can you can have you know you could have enthusiasm he certainly has that he said we need optimism he certainly has that but james how does that make briggs it happened i mean the European Union all through this process and i think to resume was the worst person to negotiate because she was a remainder and that why did you said to remain to do braggs that i mean that was ridiculous ok and we got it and she deserved her fate ok but the European Union is going to make this is painful as possible for you guys and i dont see why they get to change their tune i mean they can they broke her and they want to break him if necessary go ahead james. Well everyone talks about the rise of maize red lines but i dont think you have any red lines that you went to brussels and the european commission. Yes of course the e. U. Wants to make this painful either create a situation where britain doesnt or you get name only which is what it is. Or where. The the drop becomes a fault of britain in terms of. The imposition of trade barriers between tariffs. Ok why do they want to do that while the e. U. Was already in the tries. Before we proceed to leave the e. U. It was in a crisis because no western countries the wealthy. Northwest and. Some in europe and Eastern Europe and the republic of ireland colonies and theres a lot of and there are a lot of political reasons or cultural. Barriers. And so it was already in a crisis and it gets out. And then crossed and then might there may be other countries who might want to remind them and that is the reason why one of the reasons why the e. U. Wants to make this as painful as possible we i mean they always go back to the default position of w t o rules ok i mean if Boris Johnson wants to succeed and i have to believe he wants to have a to do much better than to resume when you were assigned an entire group of people to work with that goal of w t o rules because theyre good theres not going to be another deal the deal is that the European Union is going to accept is already on the table and the parliament has dismissed it 3 times Boris Johnson isnt going to go down that path we knew just be saying we have a Kitchen Cabinet its a deputy all rules work on it youve got 99 days go headly. I dont think so i think were w t o rules. Are no deal hard brick say and they would be only to the only country in the world operating on the meet those rules and they are savvy in their implications for the country so they asked a realistic option a toll and i also think that the extent to which you know the kind of xenophobia sentiment we see abroad for Little England plucky spending against the assembled holds of the European Union with their. You know paneuropean genda is a is a a a scenario that has been developed and pursued in and propagandized in the British Press the decades and funny enough it will be the kind of irrationality that flows from such sentiment that will see this country commit economic suicide by electing a Prime Minister whos not only incompetent as hes recorded in london shows us but has an opportunity of such grand proportions that even his brother joe johnson who resigned over the brecht seat was pretty convinced by Boris Johnson to come back in government and its partly signed up to probe resi agenda so here we have the chance of boys who can spin around on any given issue 360 degrees in a heartbeat and both obviously like sacrifice the Economic Prosperity of the nation they said let me just up this conclusion the tories are not even following the global big business agenda because if the tories were following that agenda here to have some rationale in terms of their ideological position and their long Time Association as being the big hitters for big business now even though Boris Johnson is waving Corporate Tax cuts in front of them this is. Paling to significance with the demand from business that we have better arrangements than the no deal there isnt Serious Business leda with dead money who is. Agreeing with the position of a no deal so its counted today their constituency base its its its fed on any rational hes not here not that its fed by or irrational xenophobia and there is no logical conclusion other than the sa stuff to this particular game really mean generally election of large chunks and we have to go to a hard break gentlemen and after that hard break well continue our discussion on bojo and rags and stay with. You know world of big partisan newtons laws and conspiracy its time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that Mainstream Media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bad and shouting past each other its time for Critical Thinking its time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. But the politicians to do something to. Put themselves on the line they did accept the reject. So when you want to be president. Or some want to be. The 2 going to cross the survival of the 3 of them or cant be good. Im interested in the lives of. You know. Im one of them but i think. The point is were buddies. You should have done this. With them to. Let me ask. You that youre not yeah. He could feel that he had to keep. Going. You need to move. On that you know enough to. Welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered Peter Lavelle reminder were discussing bojo and breaks. Ok lets go back to mark here i still havent gotten an answer to my question how is Boris Johnson going to achieve this if hes going to achieve it now i mentioned with lee. Rules ok thats one way hard brags that ok but then which all agreement is off the table because it was old it down 3 times and humiliated a Prime Minister ok so can you tell me what the 3rd variant is here does he know and if he does know why he didnt support a friend ok it was good. Lask you got it you got ahead of me on that one let me go to mark for sam gagner you got me on that one ok go ahead mark. Well there is word that theres a certain amount of discussion going on about changing the Withdrawal Agreement that relates to the backstop which were to really put a border between northern and Northern Ireland of the republic of ireland of actually having the kind of border between the e. U. And the bulk of britain having it more down the irish sea in other words changing the buck stop problem to a kind of an island problem theres always got the johnson is very keen on to the logical changes. In our 50 years on putting a man in the moon but we cant sort out these are the arrangements regarding the movement of goods surely human ingenuity in this new optimistic here of jobs is a we should be able to challenge lucian to that really i think the only thing but the only thing on offer is sheer force of personality plus a certain amount of blackmail i wonder if mr johnson is going to even though the you are quite happy that the divorce settlement 39000000000 i believe that thats going to be paid over years rather than all at once perhaps some threat to look at that again and whittle down that figure hes hoping that through really psychological of. You to change the deal it sounds like black magic thats black magic youre to actually get the token solitaires ok let me go back to the game here i like it now were going to get to the point of this whole debate here and to see ok well fine ok but fantasy doesnt get the fantasy doesnt usually have much to do with policy or good policy that is here james james. A general election thats minutes in the offering here general election lets say lets say theres a general election before all of the well it doesnt have to be its not real precedent for that. Parliament probably cant stop being. Stop us leaving on. About what weve. Got equally and no deal or you know any more anyway because. Weve sorted out a lot of. Bilateral trade deals with a number of countries like norway and south korea in the last couple years thats not its not losing interest that were nowhere near salting out trade deals with any companies weve got preliminary agreements top further discussions theres still some probably stand still since another point is that there are a number of labor. You are. Maybe 10 or 20 who vote against their own and most of the government or certainly were. On an emotion that will actually wreck everybody selected in the run up to a general election. And then you can also have a media selected as we speak. And that. Is. In the labor party although you knew going down here youre going down a path that i think its really important here let me go back to mark in lancaster how have both parties made major parties fared through all of this here because Boris Johnson has the opportunity to bring some unity to the tories but what about labor because labor has been very well its been waffling a lot on this here but i and i suppose if i was jeremy carbon i would do the same thing watch your opponents destroy themselves and thats one political tactic here but how both parties have been very damaged i think you could say through this entire process go ahead mark. Yes well theyll be an awful lot of mainstream labor politicians just tearing their hair out at the moment this is a god sent opportunity for any credible party of opposition and labor is in its own internal chaos and if it wasnt for the fact you could say the internal chaos is about very different issue of allegations of antisemitism but its in chaos over breakfast as well and mr coleman has been dragged kicking and screaming to a position which sounds a bit more like remain but he doesnt sound at all sincere on this and thats because he is a british so you have a party that should be ready to cash in having been converted to pro european ways in the 1980 s. That far back its now divided again just at the moment when it needs to be united and the beneficiary of this is the liberal democrats the one thing i would say thats really dangerous for the cities in the johnson camp is that where ours the party and the conservative party theres absolutely no love lost the tall and their vote is likely to be split if they do face off in a general election i have a very strong hunch that the remain camp is going to be a lot more efficient in a general election thats ensuring that the city with the best chance of winning will succeed in various constituencies so a general election is something that the conservatives may have very mixed feelings about labor im afraid they should be just looking at it is an open goal but the chances are under mr colburns leadership whatever his virtues that they would blaze the ball over that open goal and the british politics would just be completely chaotic and unstable into the foreseeable future ok we have both parties failed the the electorate because they voted to leave ok and parliament and both parties have failed to execute on the peoples will here so this is really the crux of it for me too i mean im kind of agnostic about it but i believe in democracy ok it was a vote at all. Winning clear and it was decisive ok for a Large Campaign like that so i think its really incumbent upon them because if they cant get a deal through then theyve failed the people and that is a very good that will damage the the believe people have in the political system and its pretty damaged right now all through the western world what can bore us johnson do to turn that around beyond being optimistic which i guess we all want to feel optimistic but i dont see how that it moves the needle at all go ahead. You know the only realistic optimism is an incredibly dangerous character is speak to have when youre playing high stake politics is soon you have a greater control over external inventors then you then you do not you have talents which you do not have. And they can be absolutely catastrophic i think it poses an existential challenge to both parties that is absolutely clear and im neither. Labor all tory have really taken the opportunity to borrow their strategic position that would benefit them but also align fully with the interests of the country labor is prevaricated too much it is armed and its not been clear in its messaging and i couldnt stand the frustration in the party i think when we come to a general election the questions going to be binary what is going to be pro bricks or bricks and i said good position for labor to be in even if they lose the election because even if they lose a general election if we come out of European Union without a deal so it will be the recession and the Economic Impact that the tide of popular opinion will turn when people feel in their pockets we could be in for another general election much sooner than people think so either you seem porton for labor to stick to a principled position and the fact is you cant extricate yourself from a 60 year relationship with a European Union that has got by his untiring levels of bureaucracy legislation and policy and simply get a working power to get it together and fix that and resolve it overnight it takes decades to unravel that European Union relationship. I dont see anybody being able to do that any time soon ok james you have talked about labor and weve talked about the tories how does the brigs in party play into this because they really kind of. A dramatic arrival on the scene here what you all can they play in all of this here and can the tories in the in the breaks of party Work Together i mean i would be a very interesting combination. Well nigel farage is. Going to. Announce a resume. And this is why. Someone who at least sounds