Merging his body with machinery for quite a while now but hes more honest scientific this side of it like doing it for the sake of science you know you youre an artist not a scientist its from what it what you do right now is it just a commentary to whats happening or is it also advancing science in a way well look you know i i am only an artist on the other hand i have a general knowledge of engineering of medical technologies because of my hands on experience with them. I see these projects as as 50. 2 new possibilities. Are i think that we shouldnt consider them in any why Scientific Research on the other hand usually my projects involve studies of the. Technology so for example when i. First state engineered it was sophisticated enough even though im only an artist to be invited by the jet Propulsion Lab in pasadena and the Johnson Space center in houston. To demonstrate the hand to the extravehicular activity group. And not just only. There is an interest in. New technologies and pseuds around understanding of the body. Im just trying to figure out where the general public is at at the moment in terms of understanding all of this because what steve mann and i know when he ran into trouble couple of times for instance when he was trying to pass metal that detector it was being seen like crazy and the customs officer got so scared that they literally have to sort of you know. Some. Mechanical things out of his body when it comes to you are do you think it a little too far out for most of the people at the moment or not really. Oh i mean its very difficult to evaluate you know i think. New ideas new philosophies and contemporary practice often can only be value ites in the near future it will not be fully understood now. So for example it took 10 years to find. And to get funding to begin the construction of an iraq. And the surgeons never really understood. That it was not project during the 2nd surgery one surgeon was out. To the other to say. Well you know if this is arts we must be the artists. And were going to actually get here on your hand project and top through it in detail but before i get that still want to talk a little bit about this facts of you know what is ation of human bodies what do you think this experimenting will have on lunch if it is i mean could that mechanical parts replacing biological body parts do you thing it could enable us to live forever i mean this is something that humanity has longed for throughout its existence it will i think the idea of. Immortality for example i mean. In the near future this is not going to be possible having said that if were going to be able to 3 d. Print organs using living cells if we can grow. Organs and parts of our body using Stem Cell Technology if we can engineer prosthetic pots that can be components of the human body then we will have a situation we we need not biologically dari. Because we will be able to continuously reply yes mel functioning parts of our body and actually if we can engineer an artificial womb that can bring to big. An embryo tools to a healthy child then youll read. Again without. Because your body will already be external and it and youll your life will end without biological death so had need to fall on human existence without the without dish i had centrists i got my heard read you saying that you just talk about reproductive organs right now where some fundamental tenets of our existence may be revalidated with Technology Like the functioning of heart or reproductive organs that actually require you to be a man or a woman. I have 2 questions how exactly would that happen wake why how will technology remove the necessity of gender. The necessity of talking technically the necessity of gender and its fascinating when you think about it any all may come true what youre saying why would you want to do that why would you replace the heart that just beats fire why would you not want to be a man or a woman on no i think i think with when i talk about the future all wise talk about a contestable future a future d of contingency in other words a future of choice rather than of necessity with you know. Some institution or some government. Under tight some eugenic kind of programs because what it means to be human is different for different people and its a value judgement about enhancing your body are not so. Convinced about trains humanism for example because there is this idea that. New technologies will improve our bodies now seem to see. Simplistic because an improvement of your body is a value judgement. An improvement to human not be an improvement for me because like this whole thing its just in code it and humans in our species. Does drive to change and replace things because apple speaking to Martine Reasoner known few know is a very famous astrophysicist and he things that evolution is just going to turn into machines eventually you know since you know were coming up with stuff that is more reliable and efficient than our biological south and sometimes im like are we really digging our own grave with this curiosity. We may have perhaps sped up but i think what it means to be human is perhaps not to remind human toll because as humans were very Curious Creatures and we want to explore other cons of possibilities of the cons of of bodies machine bodies other kinds of biological bodies on the of always been interested in comparative anatomy so in evolution we see. Different cons of bodies that perceive the world in different wise in other words one can argue that and then say its an animal a human have different. You know different cartons of wolves the experience you know we know that a dog only sees in black and white we know the bats navigate see notre sound we know the dislike senses in for rid of. These kinds of perceptual apparatus and different cons of biological and insect like bodies experience the world in very different wise and with many different generations the lifespan know. Of of some creatures is only a diy. Some creatures that live much longer than than humans for example. So i kind of speculate that a future body might be. A biological body that is increasingly machine eak and machines that are increasingly biological. And theyll be this combination but that beats us an upgrade of the human race and we wouldnt just b. C. Humans the way we know us will bots you know the idea of wanted is to be human is a historical and evolution recon struct you know so for example. When we will hominids and finally developed by people locomotion to the limbs become manipulators and we can construct opera facts instruments machines in other words by peta locomotion allowed us to completely chinese what it means to to develop as as a as a human body and you know even a couple of 100 years ago the idea that you would have internal components that would no longer a biological. Products would would have been inconceivable you know now its acceptable that. And then petey might have an artificial om that is a carbon fiber operated by servo motors connected to the users know the system so we accept this now. We accept the fact that the body that you are born with my not made the body that you die with. You might in the future have a feist transplant you might have an artificial. Suddenly people will have out of joint. Thats already happening so we still think the they human. But. This would not have been the case several 100 years ago were going to take a short break right now when were back well continue talking to perform and. Stay with us. You know world a big part of the new law and conspiracy its time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that Mainstream Media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the back and shouting past each other its time for Critical Thinking its time to fight for the middle for the troops the time is now were watching closely watching the hawks. The tense situation in venezuela is still all over the news the problem in venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented but that socialism has been played only implement from the inside venezuela things are different were going to announce sanctions against petroleum to venezuela associated. Famously have a son of the moment goes. Down but since that political battle song moon the cat who come out of the moment the focus of the who story isnt new nixon told in Henry Kissinger to tell him that it would not be tolerated that in latin america an alternative economic and social system could take hold and therefore the policy would be to make the chilean economy scream so wants and making the economy of venezuela scream. Join me every thursday. And ill be speaking to the world of politics. Im sure ill see you then. And were back with stellar performance artists in your projects the very famous one iran they are 1st of all can you show us through. The process of actually implanting that ear in your arm. And then connected it from what i understand its still in a process. It was sort of related and happened has been fraught with medical complications like i dont know from where i read the infection. Its adult using by getting really sick. Because of outside interference your bodys trying to tell you something i mean usually but is resist something when they understand that they dont need well you know to do in a. Challenging and sometimes risky. And we cant really generalise about this there was a serious infection. In the 2nd surgery when we planted a small microphone inside the econ struct and i had wires coming out of. And that didnt help because they were. In for about 10 days testing the marker fine but effectively at the end of the 2nd surgery the surgeon even though we had a a mosque a surgical mosque on even though my arm was wrapped in bandages with a partial plus the cost the surgeon could speak to the it is voice was picked up and wirelessly transmitted so its plausible and the idea. Is still the intention is still to intimate tonight will the to electronically old minted. If youre in simply to moscow and im in london new york paris wherever i am wherever you are youll be able to log in and listen to what my ear is hearing wherever you are wherever i am correct me if im wrong but that is an exact replica right its a shape its purely as static why would you go through that trouble every you could have just asked a surgeon to implant a chip thats a good question you know as a not to stymie interest in the our idea of. Anatomical architecture is why do we have only 2 e is to ah is. Too late 2 arms of the limbs so for example ive performed with a 3rd and an extended. And i was always intrigued about a making a prosthetic part of my body. That using my own skin using my own cells so for example the process for constructing this was to implant a bio degradable scaffold which is poorest and when this is inserted beneath the skin when the skin is suctioned over the scaffold over a period of about 6 months you have to shoo in growth and vests and occurring in other words the cells in your in your body grow into the scaffold it grows its own blood supply so now this is integrated as part of its a living part of. Whats interesting will be to intimidate the ear of this other project that you have rewired great mics basically out of sort of outsourced your body senses to others right to understand to consecrate clear. That from afar as long as we leave people who want to communicate and they do it through literature or through i dont know painting then later on film photography of it is this how all this forms of expression will evolve into a people tapping directly into each other senses do you think it will come to that. Its not something that will happen definitely but its plausible and its possible i mean the rewind remakes performance for 5 days 6 hours every day i could only see with the all eyes of someone in london i could only hear with the ears of someone in new york. But my body goes in. And anyone could access my ride through the exoskeleton that i was wearing and remotely moved my body suffered was this idea as you said of outsourcing my senses my visual an acoustical senses to people in other bodies and sharing my i gin see. People in other places were controlling the movements. So the idea of a distributed body of an extended mind this concept is really something thats already happening you know we all have Wireless Media we communicated remotely. I can see your face on my telephone that australia for it is there and when you physically experiment as its completely. The difference is that. You yourself are experiencing it in a more intense why. So there is that that difference but what im signing is that these actions these performances are in fact already happening in some why or another. If you take that idea to the max like this whole intent interconnectedness right where people in theory connect to your feet and vice versa that really. You know grows into the whole species becoming one with each other isnt it that all these. Gurus and people who were telling us all this time that we actually won all and we are going to weld in a kind of general sense. But what were talking about here is. Physically machine equally electronically. Being connected to each other. By choice. So for example you can switch on switch off you can be on law and you can be offline in fact now we share 2 columns of worlds we share online will sway way distributed interconnected and we still experience flaws. With private biological individuals. And this is something that. Is happening all the time and will continue to happen but even in very different wise so for example another possibility in the future is that all technology will be invisible because it will be inside your body with my current skyll. Senses with robots. Now body becomes the host for the Technology Technology now is existing external to the body but in the future monte this. Inside the game but the way i see it what youre describing. Knowledge that is in style inside of your body and you being connected to the internet is a witness inside of you more severe than any other physical or biological witness because i mean if i am connected to internet anyone pretty much can and any point happen to me. I mean why would i want to post myself to such from their ability well i mean hacking your body is all why its possible. Especially anyone with a chip in the body a simple chip is vulnerable to being hacked and as we have artificial hearts as we have. Have brine then thats something that we have to manage. But you know that kind of an argument doesnt negate. Experimenting with these things because you know if you want to just be a biological body then you will have no. Machines to assist you youll have no media devices to communicate with you will have no heating says stayed still different if you know if i have media devices and internet is all around me i do that very often i choose to cut myself off completely because i know that theres no privacy now well you know if you talk on the phone if you go online everything youre doing is being watched and listened to but we still choose to you know to give up our privacy for the sake of facility facilitating our lives i feel like well ready our living in the internet and not having internet biology is exactly that choice then when i want to switch my ass off. I go off but if i have it in me you know but the problem is if you dont want to have it and someone forces you to have it thats a problem but people will choose to have chips implanted to have the cortical capacity expects pended to have an artificial have to keep a lot of. So if we do into laws and technologies if we have implanted chips or if we expand our cord in cool capacity or decide to have Something Like an artificial hearts now bodies to study a lot of. We still have to. Engineer them saif flee and be eyeballed to manage them in a. Why when people. Intervene externally well that and also just to make sure that our bodies and brains and minds can cope with it because most of the nearest scientists i talk to right now are saying that with the amount of information we have right now accessible to the internet we our brains are just going crazy because its too much for it were not custom made for the kind of information so if. If were talking about you know having a chip in our hat constantly being upgraded and updated with information that does it mean that were all going to be slightly insane in couple of generations. And will again i dont type good to be in view about that there might be advantages theres always some disadvantages it depends on. Where the new technology is over rule of benefits and law i personally experiments i think suggests that. Our bodies can manage being. Distributed being fragment. Having additional limbs to perform with and i think that want to do is speculate about contestable few choose possibilities that can be experienced possibilities that can be evaluated sometimes appropriate to most likely discarded deller thank you so much for this wonderful interview and good luck with everything thank you very much thank you. They all see themselves as dying swans in their dreams. But only one in a 1000 will ever make it to the top. 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