The day like you that i got. With that we. Would. Be. Pretty. Well going on the watching our entire world with her and happen a lot less so Amnesty International just so were clear on everything in their investigation Amnesty International interviewed 11 people about that march 18th strike that included family members those who had been to the scene and the staff at the Telecom Company where the men also work those who are accused by africa of being terrorists now they assessed media reports the Us Government statements vehicle purchase records official ideas medical records everyone the organization spoke to was adamant that none of them were members of our. You know you have a pretty big piece of evidence its a pretty important one that if theyre willing but i think it also says something when for comes in their response they said you know well look at any relevant information well look at any of this that relates to admin their mind theyre not going to consider that rez long as they dont consider relevant or consider you know a piece of information that they need to look at they dont have to because they decide they decide what are facts exactly in a country that is not theirs that youre in a country that is not yours and yours telling them what is what you know what people are nuts. And you know its one of those things to worry at this point its not shocking to hear that you know what it is so britain you know seeing stories like this reminds you that thats how. You know our military Industrial Complex thats how that works where we decide if theyre terrorists or not were garble so what the evidence says i mean look at the response in Africa Press Release on march 19th alleged the victims were 3 terrorists they didnt cite any evidence and this through National Shared what they had discovered about the 3 men with that were common august but even to this day africa has dug in and still staying the airstrike was conducted against lower level al shabaab members to decrease morale ahead of somali Army Operations specifically information gathered before and after the strike indicated that all individuals injured or killed were members or ability its about. Once again for come did not provide any evidence for this claim theres simply just saying it because we know better i do that yeah i dont really understand where they where they get off this like well yeah of course we murdered a bunch of low level al shabaab well its a terrorist organization and if anybody has ever read any of the research from our own military in africa about these terrorist organizations as a lower level member is usually dont have a choice therefore sandu it so what youre saying is you murdered people who probably didnt have a choice of being there even if they were terrorists and thats what you think is like cool wars. There thats where its made abdulla he has on the Amnesty International somali researcher said its bad enough that the u. S. Africa command appears not to know who its airstrikes are actually killing and maiming and its secretive war on somalia but its reprehensible that africa offers no way for those affected to to contact it and its failed to reach out to families of victims after its version of events was called into question. Justice for the victims of trafficker and pedophile Jeffrey Epstein has been a difficult if not impossible pursuit in u. S. Courts compounded by his apparent suicide earlier this year while in a new york jail but despite the legal setback sent official hurdles placed before them these women have not been thwarted in their pursuit of justice and they continue to press on r t americas Rachel Blevins has more. The woman who filed a landmark lawsuit attempting to hold the u. S. Government accountable for giving Jeffrey Epstein an incredibly light sweet deal are now pushing for an Appeals Court to hear their case corney while there is just one of dozens of women who have come forward to give a name the end of phase of their horrific story of a sex trafficking ring that has implicated president s politicians professors and Modeling Agency alike but a federal judge in florida ruled last month that while the government violated the victims rights by failing to notify them about the deal they still were not entitled to compensation from the Justice Department and because of died in august the plea deal will not be overturned in his ruling u. S. District judge Kenneth Moore a growth of the victims may take solace however in the fact that this litigation has brought National Attention to the crime victims rights act and the importance of victims in the criminal Justice System in a new petition filed by courtney while she calls on an Appeals Court to overturn the ruling and she uses her real name rather than jane doe because she says she will. Leaves it is the best way to encourage other Sexual Assault victims to step forward in the filing her lawyer argues that the District Courts ruling should be overturned because it turns the crime victim rights act into a hollow promise for victims by refusing to overturn epsteins plea deal not only did judge moore a protect the convicted pedophile he also protected all of epsteins connections who were covered by the nonprosecution agreement he signed women like glowing maxwell sara kellan and leslie roth are named in lawsuits filed by multiple victims as coconspirators who helped epstein groom his victims and the latest filing wild calls for the section of a nonprosecution agreement that protects coconspirators to be thrown out her petition also request a Court Hearing for epsteins victims where they can share stories of how he preyed on them and it calls on the government to release the Important Documents it has withheld in this case now it remains to be seen how the Appeals Court will respond and if dozens of women who claim they face years of abuse when they were children at the hands of the members of his inner circle will finally get justice in washington rachel blog and artsy trying us now as civil rights attorney and former law professor kima levy armstrong thanks for joining us again my. Thanks for having me came when you look at this appeal is there hope for a ruling in favor of the plaintiffs of these women become a finally see some kind of a drink or because it just strikes me as such a travesty that like a scrape your case is bringing up all this you know everyone can see that theres the plight of women the plight of women who are attacked but were not really going to do anything about it so you have to appeal is there any hope for that at this point. Was very clear that the system failed a livia wild as well as im sorry courtney wild as well as a number of the other victims who were trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein. As well as his coconspirators i am proud of them for stepping forward and continuing to challenge the system even in the wake of Jeffrey Epsteins apparent suicide back in august it is difficult to know whether or not they will have a sympathetic ear at the federal court of appeals because of all of the politics surrounding who is being named in this case as possible coconspirators as you all know these women are seeking government documents that i would argue would be very revealing and very damaging to some of the people whose names and information and the allegations against them are contained within those documents so it is difficult to know whether or not justice will prevail in this case even though these women have been waiting for over a decade to obtain the justice that they deserve. Why is the u. S. Court system so difficult for victims of sex crimes and trafficking to find justice it seems to me that if we you know find it so reprehensible if its you know weve got such high court you know prison sentences and these things why is it so hard for anybody to get justice when theyve been the victim of it. I think that part of this has to do with the fact that we live in a Patriarchal Society that has consistently failed to value the voices and the experiences of women many of the women who are filing their cases in the court of appeals were trafficked as teenagers they were marginalized from society they were largely seen as throwaways and their flights were being ignored as we see happening right now and i think that fundamentally we know that our Justice System is broken those who are wealthy unfortunately receive greater access to justice than those whose voices are not typically heard then those who are marginalized women and young girls in particular who have been trafficked and remember in this situation we are deal dealing with some very wealthy powerful individuals who have typically been protected by the system as we saw during jeffrey abstains original sweetheart. Non. Prosecution agreement that he entered into its it needs to change and needs to change quickly and im proud of courtney why im proud of all of the other women who are being steadfast and pushing for the justice that they deserve i think we all are proud of them those stuff away because it is and you see this over and over again how stacked this is leverage its also important for us to remember that i think youre sort of very well that these are women who are usually marginalized on the outside of society. And when you when you then put it on it like you know women of color and things of that then you. And even a bigger hurdle when theyre trying to fight against you know trying to get the system to hear their cries and their pleas and i think this case also proves the point that you can be pretty and white and look like you want to you know where you belong at a golf course or a country club and theyre still going to ignore you and say somehow its your fault and i think that that that proves that point i wanted. To really became a lovely problems always a pleasure having you on thank you so much for coming on today and speaking to this issue for our audience thank you. Thank you tyrone tap at that. 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The controversial story surrounding the California Department of corrections and rehabilitation the role in setting up what many are calling a gladiator style fights between rival gang members and lock up has taken a new twist top watchers of our long denied the practice it now appears california prison officials are finally admitting to purposely putting rival gang members in close quarters on prison grounds but that it was all done under the guise of peacemaking the Associated Press reports that prison officials have halted an effort aimed at forcing warring prison gangs to get along with each other after the inmates wound up brawling and even rioting when placed together in prison recreational yards the effort started a year ago with officials gradually allowing prisoners from different gangs and exercise exercise yards to try and get them to make peace but was making really on the minds of these prison officials can will set of the beyond president s podcast joins us now to discuss this latest development. Kim welcome back to the show its always a pleasure having you. Because your insight into these matters and i want to say lets get this way lets get this part out of the way real quick with all of the research and all the interviews and everyone youve talked to do you believe these latest claims by the c. D. C. Are that this was all done out of an effort to try to make peace between rival gangs in prisons that it is does that hold water to you. No no it does not i think that is woefully misguided from giving them the benefit of the doubt here and im really not to say that this was an effort at peacemaking if they truly wanted to focus on peacemaking they would have taken seriously and would be taking seriously the demands of prisoners whove been calling for. An end to these fights and to the force programming but also to the efforts of the women on the outside of family members and other organizers who have been supporting and trying to raise awareness around this issue so no i dont believe at all that this was an effort at peacemaking. Kim was the significance of prison officials now actually admitting to the press that this was indeed an official program of putting rival gangs together in the yard whats the significance of them actually admitting it now. Well i mean i think in a small way it validates a lot of the work that organizers on the outside as well as prisoners have been doing and what they have been saying for a very long time now that this is a policy of c. D. C. Are so i think it does that but i think also. Shed light on the fact that c. D. C. Are real policy its not about safety and security of prisoners in the community but its really a policy thats focused on torture and dehumanization but in addition to that i would also add that. The it raises a question here in terms of what happens to the people that have already been maimed by these fights in some cases there have been people that have been killed that have taken part in these fights but also you know what happens to the people that are perceived. Extra time on their sentences where is the accountability for those folks and thats not something that c. D. C. Has addressed at all chad imagine they would because you know that be taking responsibility for something and we can these are bad people blah blah blah the story always goes with this its one of those things where its like i know how naive an idiotic government can be sometimes in their Decision Making but i also know that they can be very nefarious in the Decision Making and i think a lot of people at home when they see this case when they hear this. Whatever the cover whatever you call it truly a case of kind of a naive a tale on the nature of the inmates their housing like oh we can put them in this yard and maybe theyll get along in that kind of thing and thats why this plan or. Was there something much more nefarious going on behind this program what was the purpose of all of this in the 1st place. I think thats a huge question to answer the 1st part in terms of. Regarding the quote unquote. Prisoners i think that language right there simply it implies that people that are in prison or to be treated poorly tortured deserve to be humanized and no one deserves to be tortured. And i think that that needs to be emphasized regarding the 2nd part is. The 2nd im sorry my train of thought there momentarily. It is the sniff area right i think that if we look at the long history here and there was a piece that was published in 2007. Lieutenant cavanagh at corcoran facility where he described what had been happening and these incidents have been documented for a long time at that point and were talking 2007 its 2019 now in that piece he also says that we should anticipate or c. D. C. Are should anticipate that in the future this is going to be an even bigger problem if they continue with this policy so this isnt new and we can look at all of the retaliatory efforts that have happened you know in response to prisoner efforts to try to stop this i mean people have been sent to the whole people has had their time extended prisoners have been denied all kinds of their basic human rights and needs. So you know theres theres all of that and we can you know i think it begs the question as you said tyrrell is there something the ferry its going on here and you know its its there i mean the evidence is there most definitely i mean thats that to me was the thing that jumped out its like why would they do this in the 1st place why are they doing this on purpose why theyre putting these people in this in this situation to each other and what would be the reasons behind that. I mean if they wanted. If they didnt want you know. These people to harm each other they would not put them together they would not put them together and they would not stoke the tensions and fears that already exist between these groups who have said that they dont want to program to get there its ridiculous to say that youre going to put these people you know in a room or in a yard together and let them figure it out and through positive thinking that somehow you know this is a miracle is going to happen and everything is going to work out just fine incident upon incident upon incident that has been documented shows that no every time these rival groups are put in the same species and you know fighting and harming each other its interesting that that all the blame is being put on the animate so sean phalange a spokesman for the Corrections Department