Been writing about that starting is unfair and unjust and thats in line with what you have been writing about that starting from around 2017 theres been a shift in the polls in attitudes to from around 2017 theres been a shift in the polls in attitudes towards public protest i think the protests themselves have become more broad based its not just professional provides public protest i think the protests themselves have become more broad based its not just professional protesters but kind of a man. Late. It is did it really and certainly the street you mean you pull people to key. Starters no mr is not just just people but what we tend to know now deceased young young people move more because were. At them and they change for literally with the fusion issue with with tomorrow but at. As far as we can judge by bias its a little logical called the data of the generator all composition of people out on the streets is. Also a variable out on the street than a group is analogous to the demographic picture of a society in general the median age is 494050 sure of society in general the median age is 4940. But we do have people who are not as you see professional protests are but we do have people who are not as you see professional protest as not people who have been committed to really going out since the middle of 2000 does not people have been committed to really going out since the middle of 2000 we have a new people out and this is a change and the process is that we have new people out and this is a change and the process that you mentioned is called by scientologists the normalisation of protest and these are human and is called by scientologists the normalization of protest and this is a whim people not who do not participate themselves begin to suppose the cross is a whim people not who do not participate themselves begin to suppose that brought us to connected to it in the human self. Is normal and should and should not be surprised by the states they meet this is revving thing for russian Public Opinion because previously it was manifestly this is revving thing for russian Public Opinion because previously it was manifestly seen as as a danger that the attitude of it of authority is. To to progress until recently if this was also pretty busy. Mild mild that in Moscow School i think the number of green lighted rallies has actually increased and as you mentioned before i think the number of green lighted rallies has actually increased and as you mentioned before the overall level of street violence was very very low why then the overall level of street violence was very very low why then all of a sudden in the middle of 2001000 there has been such or. All of a sudden in the middle of 2001000 there has been such a. Strong police of of the of the of public protests no Strong Police and of of the of the public protests not the least by the authorities themselves there were some kind of tradition that in more school told the least by the authorities themselves there were some kind of tradition that in more school it is allowable for people to sometimes get out on the street that this is allowable for people to sometimes get out on the street at the same time seems the change in legislation that wars implemented same time if im. Just. One more of a compliment right a. 1000 to the price of. Coal produce became gradually higher more fines became go regularly higher more fines more dawn before more days of a mystery 3 to further arrests and then being famous criminal code article 2 theorists and then being famous criminal code article 2 of 212 point one which criminalize us ruby to administrative 212 point one which criminalize us ruby to administrative have found during Public Meetings and really as. 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During Public Meetings and religious so the prize was raised by the authorities at the same time there were some kind of understanding that was raised by the forward just at the same time there were some kind of understanding that people can sometimes do that what changed easts possibly people can sometimes do that what changed is possibly what you call politicisation of protest so far as protests were seen what you call politicisation of protest so far as protests were seen as local and based on some concrete grievances like as local and based on some concrete grievances like demolition of a building cutting down of far they were seen as permissible ma the demolition of a building cutting down of park they were seen as permissible but the protests of this summer war political in the every sense of the world of the world well the protests of this summer war believe it go in there every sense of the world of the work well for me as a political scientist every pro this is a Political Action because it entails a demand for me as a political scientist every pro this is a Political Action because it entails a demand for bush dissipation for political participation but authorities differentiate for bush dissipation for political participation but authorities differentiate between well kind of social or economic forces for pretty well kind of social or economic forces for protests and political there is nothing more political than elections. Oldest political there is nothing more political than elections and these were about elections so i know when we weve seen this around were about the elections so oh when we weve seen this our own goal of case the participants were not punished off towards the course according to all of the. Participants were not punished off towards the course according to our tradition the worst thing that happens is in the during the really its set to 0 its really the worst thing that happens is not during the really itself not during the march or something but what comes off towards the russian elf not during the march or something but what comes up towards the russian institutions are often criticised for their rather image of nature institutions are often criticised for their rather image of nature and function and i personally see no problem with that i think fake it till you make it is the best chair and function and i personally see no problem with that i think fake it till you make it is the best strategy for a selfimprovement as long as youre faking something youre legitimizing strategy for a self improvement as long as youre faking something youre legitimizing the whole thing and im a little bit concerned the russian authorities have the whole thing and im a little bit concerned the russian authorities have still faking or at least still faking authentically the still faking or at least still faking authentically the notion that everybody can participate in politics i understand all the insecurities the notion that everybody can participate in politics i understand all the insecurities and you know that there are deep historic insecurities about political and you know that there are deep historic insecurities about political or antigovernment protest and russia but still they have to keep their appearances and all of a sudden antigovernment protest and russia but still they have to keep their appearances and all of a sudden they decided not to keep those parents anymore why is that do you think well that they decided not to keep those appearances any more why is that do you think well their parents are kept in the sense that whatever happens even if we do the parents are clear. Optima sounds that whatever happens even if we dislike it and we dislike about what happens with. The law as it is written like it and we dislike about what happens with. The law as it is written the law is written in such a way that it allows greed. To Law Enforcement the law is written in such a way that it allows greed. To Law Enforcement so we didnt have any well. Specific so we didnt have any well this was a specific early goal regime in moscow for example no emergency has been declared so its all curly go regime in moscow for example no emergency has been declared so its all according to the written rules but your writing saying that the prick downs well according to the written rules but your writing saying that the prick downs are off the allowable participation in political life has been see that and are all for the allowable participation in political life has been seated and at the same time their Human Rights Council whose feet we are supposed to discount at the same time their Human Rights Council whose fate we are supposed to discuss has also been one of those decorated but not useless institutions ellis has also been one of those decorated but not useless institutions elad to that question to ask and the one that they have been asking myself is whether we dont have a question to ask and the one that ive been asking myself is whether we the Council Members who have been so active during those hacked sick summer months how the Council Members who have been so active during those 6 summer months how weve been aware of that by our activity weve been harming the v. A. Weve been aware of that by our activity weve been harming the institution that we belong to and tarring on the. We are instead. Mission that we belong to and tarring on its demands should we have been more quiet in order to keep the council should we have been more quiet in order to keep the council in the attack or more far should we have how we have done what we have have none in the you know what i wanted to show our position publicly even given the reste of of what actually have positioned publicly even given the respect of. Well what actually happened now speaking about your departure from the council alongside some now speaking about your departure from the council alongside some of the other members whove been very critical about how the moscow protests have been handled not only the other members whove been very critical about how the moscow protests have been handled not only by the Law Enforcement but also now by the Russian Court system do you take that as a by the Law Enforcement but also now by the Russian Court system do you take that as a kneejerk reaction to you personally just being irritated by a sharp tongue or do you think its a sign of a more sort of systemic shift. Well it hasnt been just for Council Members that were dismissed they think its a sign of a more sort of systemic shift. Well it hasnt been just for Council Members that are dismayed they have of the council the chairman well i mean over there there is a legitimate reason of him reaching out of the council the chairman well i mean over there there is a legitimate reason of him reading the retirement age so you can write it off as something that the retirement age you can write it off as something that could have happened but we in your own case its pretty notable that somebody who has served on that have happened but we in your own case its pretty notable that somebody who has served on the council for 10 months is kicked out because supposedly out of the council for 10 months is kicked out because supposedly out of the rich asian necessity thats hard to believe well this has been the where all the explanation and i must say that there have been no private talks with me i must see it open and fair because its through a no member of the president ial administration has given me preliminary warning warning that ive been doing something over the top and explanation and i must say that there have been no private told. With me i must see it open and fair because its true and no member of the president ial administration has given me preliminary warning warning that ive been doing something over the top and that i should stop or so it was kind of a surprise although it i should stop or so it was kind of a surprise although i was at the same time kind of expect that we should have been in a more difficult position it was at the same time kind of expected we should have been in a more difficult position had they had of the council been changed on the composition of the council remained had they had of the council been changed the composition of the council remain the same because working with the chairman you dont either logical same because working with the chairman whom you dont either logically side with is difficult on one hand the council is a democratically side with is difficult on one hand the council is a Democratic Institution decisions are made by voting by the majority and we have the will the Institution Decisions are made by voting by the majority and we have the will the active party we did have the majority we could pass our decisions we could pass active but we did have the majority we could pass our decisions we could pass the corporations but at the same time are the powers of the chair of the corporations but at the same time are the powers of the chair is our main. And for example he alone off all the members is our main. And for example he alone of all the members of the council has a proper job being an advisor to the president so he can for example write plateaux source of the council has a proper job being an advisor to the president so he can for example write plateaux signed letters to therefore it is declaring our the councils position none of us find letters to therefore it is declaring our the counts. Position model fos could do that and generally it would have been an unworkable scheme plus could do that and generally it would have been an unworkable scheme aflame and so those would have been the your own problems in the you could have dealt with them and the only one said those would have been the your own problems in the you could have dealt with them in the only way i think. Even from a propaganda point of view having you on the council way i think. Even from a propaganda point of view having you on the council could have created a very good impression for russia as a vibrant politically diverse could have created a very good impression for russia as a vibrant politically Diverse Society where people can voice different opinions i mean it would have made for inverse society where people can voice different opinions i mean it would have made for a much better impression than just this someone ceremony is better impression than just this someone ceremony is kicking you out and i think thats somewhat uncharacteristic of president putin who is usually you can go out and i think thats somewhat uncharacteristic of president putin who is usually very particular about the appearances and the signals that he he sounds very particular about the appearances and the signals that he he sounds do you take that as hes own decision because he had to sign on the your departure or do you think you have to take that as hes own decision because he had to sign on the your departure or do you think you have somebody in his close circle who perhaps somebody in his close circle who perhaps thought your services or your opinions are not the most suited well i thought your services or your opinions are not the most suited well i would travel sort of mind that it may become to to the on coming meeting of the council will travel sort of mind that it may become to to the own come. Meeting of the council with the president the Council Meets once a year with the president the previous meeting was just with the president the Council Meets once a year with the president the previous meeting was just after the previous rim of ation of the council and that was actually the 1st time december after the previous room of asian of the council and that was actually the 1st time december 11th of last year when the new member saw each other by the way there were no preliminary talks 11th of last year when the new member saw each other by the way there were no preliminary talks even then no one asked us what are we going to talk about and then no one asked us what are we going to talk about and i spoke a little bit during this meeting on the same talk by spoke a little bit during this meeting on the same topic by the way that i had to speak now as an official presenter by the way that i had to speak now as an official presenter during the next meeting you know many of the things that you see on many other occasions i mean youre pretty civil during the next even you know many of the things that you see on many other occasions i mean youre pretty. Funny because scientists you know social commentator i mean listen you learn because scientists you know social commentator i mean you have a big viewership on you tube you have a Radio Program so its not like youre saying you have a big viewership on you tube you have a Radio Program so its not like youre saying something that people havent heard before but maybe some people havent heard before not everyone full of something that people havent heard before but maybe some people havent heard before not everyone follows me on on you tube channel maybe they have up or other sources of information so it kills me on you tube channel maybe they have up or other sources of information so it came as a surprise to them i dont now again i have an idea that the plan was to print a surprise look i dont now again i have an idea that. That the plan was to prevent any unpleasantness happening any words being spoken during the november and the on pleasantness happening any words being spoken during the next i was wondering if the president cannot handle it or what may be course next i was wondering if the president cannot handle it or would it be course he doesnt like kids maybe because that means duration doesnt want bad headlines maybe they dont plan doesnt like kids maybe because that means duration doesnt want bad headlines maybe they dont want the Summer Events he going to be plenty of bad have bad had lands after want the summer revenge is he going to be plenty of bad have bad had lens afterwords i didnt want me to explain somebody elses decision i am words i didnt want me to explain somebody elses decision i am. I am in a difficult position because i am in the sort of have been officially from eve to relieve i am in a difficult position because i am in the sort of have been officially from it to relieve me from making my own difficult choice so i can be only thankful to me from making my own difficult choice so i can be only thankful and cant allow that y