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Hello and welcome to cross talk where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle dissent is being criminalized speech is being arrested just asked max dissent is being criminalized speech is being arrested just ask Max Blumenthal editor of the grey zone project and a leading investigative journalist include all editor of the grey zone project and a leading investigative journalist increasingly questioning Mainstream Media narratives and interrogating policymakers recently questioning Mainstream Media narratives and interrogating policymakers can get you banned monetized and even arrested. Theres can get you banned monetized and even arrested. Cross talking speech for. Free. Im just going about my. Speech freedom of governance. He is a forgets Ray Mcgovern Cernan Rai cia and he only is a force and cia analyst and co. Founder of veteran intelligence professionals for sanity in washington we have karl and cofounder of veteran intelligence professionals for sanity in washington we have carla nixon he is the cohost of the sputnik radio show fault lines with nixon and x. And he is the cohost of the sputnik radio show fault lines with nixon and stranahan and in pittsburgh we cross to dan he is an adjunct professor of law and stranahan and in pittsburgh we cross to dan he is an adjunct professor of law at the university of pittsburgh as well as author of the plot to overthrow venezuela of the u. S. At the university of pittsburgh as well as author of the plot to overthrow venezuela how the u. S. Is orchestrating a coup for oil crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime he was orchestrating a coup for oil crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate great let me go to you 1st i mean i think we all know the details of my aunt and i always appreciate great let me go to you 1st i mean i think we all know the details of maximum falls arrest and the charges are bogus charges that he would say maximum falls arrest and the charges are bogus charges that he would say and hes contacted this program we invited him to come on but he was gone and hes contacted this program we invited him to come on but he was given legal advice that he probably shouldnt so he wanted to be here but because there is ongoing live and legal advice that he probably shouldnt so he wanted to be here but because there is ongoing litigation his lawyers told them to hold back it seems to me on its face a geisha and his lawyers told them to hold back it seems to me on its face this is a criminalization of dissent. Is a prolific journal this is a criminalization of dissent. Is a prolific journalist barry good one he knows this stuff hes had some great work on venezuela barry good one he knows his stuff hes had some great work on venezuela on syria on russia gate and so many other topics it looks like theyre coming on syria on russia gate and so many other topics it looks like theyre coming for max go ahead ray. Well 1st a very small corrector max go ahead ray well 1st a very small correction peter you say we all know about max none of my fellow americans know but shin peter you say we all know about max none of my fellow americans know about mel you got ahead of me but i want to go back to the news stream again go ahead youre right mel you got ahead of me where i want to go after the news stream and then you go ahead youre right. I live a back off here and just say well. I live a back off here and just say well you know theres an expression the pen is mightier than the sword oh you know theres an expression the pen is mightier than the sword. Now the u. S. Government and the Mainstream Media have collected now the Us Government and the Mainstream Media have collected all the pens that they can but they couldnt get Max Blumenthals or all the pens that they can but they couldnt get Max Blumenthals or aaron mitts a tennis this is a terrific encouragement to old guys aaron mitts a tennis this is a terrific encouragement to old guys like me because the older generation half my age are come and come into theyre like me because the older generation and half my age are come in come into their own they will not be stifled they will not be discouraged so what do they pay well their own they will not be stifled they will not be discouraged so what do they pay will they pay the price of being arrested and held in a bit in those jails d. C. Egypt paid the price of being arrested and held in a bit in those jails d. C. Jails for overnight 2 nights now whats this all about well its intimidation over night 2 nights now whats this all about well its intimidation pure and simple what people dont know is that on the 15th of action pure and simple what people dont know is that on the 15th of october John Kiriakou was given the same treatment ok stover John Kiriakou was given the same treatment ok squad some police cars bunch of people shackled and all that stuff so what theyre trying to squad some police cars bunch of people shackled and all that stuff so what theyre trying to do is i guess every 10 days pick out a real real offender in there and they do is i guess every 10 days pick out a real real offender in their in their view as somebody tells the truth and blows the whistle on cia crimes where view is somebody tells the truth and blows the whistle on cia crimes was. To be torture or overthrowing the government of venezuela to teach us all over the be torture or overthrowing the government of venezuela to teach us all a lesson that you cant do that thats beyond the pale well they will they wont quit the question is was the lesson that you cant do that thats beyond the pale well they will they wont quit the question is whether well get enough support from people who are kept in the dark about whats happened to max well get enough support from people who are kept in the dark about whats happened to max you know thats exactly why im doing this program because im not going to be silent this is an issue you know thats exactly why im doing this program because im not going to be silent this is an egregious offense against freedom of speech the 1st amendment and true greed is offense against freedom of speech the 1st amendment and a truly profoundly good journalist here garland weigh in on this here where are the journalistically profoundly good journalist here garland weigh in on this here where are the journalists ok im glad ray got ahead of me but hes absolutely right where is the outcry here so ok im glad ray got ahead of me but hes absolutely right where is the outcry here because you really have to search for it go ahead well well the journalist because you really have to search for it go ahead. Well the journalists are getting locked up the journalists are in bellmawr belmarsh prison the stenographers for the didnt locked up the journalists are in bellmawr belmarsh prison the stenographers for the deep state or running around masking as a journalist masquerading as a journalist so you know the reality of state or running around masking as a journalist masquerading as a journalist so you know the reality is theyre not really worried or concerned about it you know a lot of people will talk about me is theyre not really worried or concerned about it you know a lot of people will talk about you know a sonder Max Blumenthal and say why arent the other journalists standing up for them because i know a sonder Max Blumenthal and say why arent the other journalists standing up for them because eventually their next will the reality is what we have now thats passing is journalism is eventually there next will the reality is what we have now thats passing is journalism isnt next youre not going to be next if you are spouting you know if youre a specific isnt next youre not going to be next if you are spouting you know if youre a spouse in the premises that the deep state want you to spells youre not going to be next so theyre very very sousing the premise is that the deep state want you to spells youre not going to be next so theyre very very safe i want to add this you know a lot of people dont know this in my previous career i was in Law Enforcement im dave i want to add this you know a lot of people dont know this in my previous career i was in Law Enforcement i was retired when i retired i was a major i was a commander of the Investigations Divisions so i wouldnt retire when i retired i was a major i was a commander of the Investigations Divisions so i would handle particular these types of incidents and i think one thing thats important to look at here is weve got handle particular these types of incidents and i think one thing thats important to look at here is weve got a minor incident on alleged minor incident lead if it were me when i was a commander that a minor incident on alleged minor incident lead if it were me when i was the commander of Investigations Division i would have simply said to the person you need to go down to the court fill out an app thats occasions division i would have simply said to the person. You need to go down to the court fill out an application for a statement of charges and mr blumenthal will be served with a summons and you can go to court there cation for a statement of charges and mr blumenthal will be served with a summons and you can go to court there was no need to take the aggressive action they did and sinned basically if there was no need to take the aggressive action that they did and sinned basically a team of officers for an unarmed person with no history of violence so that i think thats the key to understanding of officers for an unarmed person with no history of violence so that i think thats the key to understanding it seeing that the the overwhelming force that theyre using against journalists with no extending it seeing that the the overwhelming force that theyre using against journalists with no history of violence or doing really anything that would that would make them a liability history of violence or doing really anything that would that would make them a liability or a danger to Police Officers responding yeah dan i mean from what the accounts or danger to Police Officers responding yeah dan i mean from what the accounts that ive heard in this is from ben norton also at the gray zone is that ive heard in this is from ben norton also at the gray zone is that swatch or swat like officers came to swat or swat like officers came to maxs residence at 9 oclock in the morning why do you need that kind of fire axes residence at 9 oclock in the morning why do you need that kind of fire power i mean Max Blumenthal is on the record of saying if you just summoned me i would have power i mean Max Blumenthal is on the record of saying if you just summoned me i would have shown up why do they need to use these kind of tactics here is it just pure intimidation shown up why do they need to use these kind of tactics here is it just pure intimidation go ahead dan yes its pure intimidation there was no need to go ahead dan yes its pure intimidation there. No you need to do it as a Police Matter again this is a 5 month old misdemeanor you it as a Police Matter again this is a 5 month old misdemeanor warrant that they acted upon and as you said or warrant that they acted upon and as you said they surrounded his home and it threatened to knock down his door if he didnt come they surrounded his home and it threatened to knock down his door if he didnt come out he was arrested he was shackled he was held amount he was arrested he was shackled he was held incommunicado for 36 hours not even able to call his own more or incommunicado for 36 hours not even able to call his own more or there was no reason for such a very there was no reason for such a. Very minor charge to treat him in this way this was clearly very minor charge to treat him in this way this was clearly a politically motivated stunt to intimidate max its a politically motivated stunt to intimidate max to intimidate journalists like max in it shameful and the other thing the chim intimidate journalists like max in it shameful and the other thing the chain will as weve touched upon is that this is getting virtually no painful as weve touched upon is that this is getting virtually no coverage in the press you know this because the mine. In the press you know this because the mine statement by john pilger a journalist in Great Britain he said what passes for journalism begin by john pilger a journalist in Great Britain. What passes for journalism today is anti journalism and i totally agree with you know a day is tired of journalism and i totally agree with you know i mean the message is being sent here and you have to toe the line here and i re i mean the message is being sent here and you have to toe the line here and i really want viewers of this program to take a look at some of the work that i really want viewers of this program to take a look at some of the work that the gray zone is done its extremely good extremely professional and in the gray zone is done its extremely good extremely professional and it pushes back against narratives that were just fed every single day i mean it pushes back against narratives that were just fed every single day i mean the work hes done on venezuela for example he goes down there all the while sick to work hes done on venezuela for example he goes down there all the while c. N. N. Is say there is no toothpaste in the supermarket theres no Washing Powder theres knows she didnt say there is no toothpaste in the supermarket theres no Washing Powder theres nose shampoo people are eating their pets and then max goes into a Grocery Store and says well impute people are eating their pets and then max goes into a Grocery Store and says well theres a lot of stuff here a lot of varieties here different prices and a lot i mean what he did was it was theres a lot of stuff here a lot of varieties here different prices and all that i mean what he did was it was tongue in cheek but it was very factual at the same time i mean what they were saying on the main tongue in cheek but it was very factual at the same time i mean what they were saying on the mainStream Networks was completely false ok and he has the audacity to Stream Networks was completely false ok and he has the audacity to show them up and they dont like that and the Mainstream Media that we to show them up and they dont like that. And the Mainstream Media that one of the reasons why these journalists dont say the same thing is they dont like the competition because one of the reasons why these journalists dont say its a me thing is they dont like the competition because gray zone r t crosstalk were getting more and more eyeballs and they dont like raise own r t crosstalk were getting more and more eyeballs and they dont like it go ahead well thats the big danger that they perceive you know they have to go ahead. Well thats the big danger that they perceive you know they have to control this sort of thing and if it takes intimidation if it takes trying to have to control this sort of thing and if it takes intimidation if it takes trying to kill John Terry Kiriakou as happened 2 years ago when they did kill John Terry Kiriakou as happened 2 years ago when they did a very usual sort of traffic thing to trap him in his vest you know very usual sort of traffic thing to trap him in his vest but thats what it takes for them now. We had to thats what it takes for them now. We had the head of the cia bill casey almost 40 years ago saying quote the head of the cia bill casey almost 40 years ago saying quote. We know when our decision from ation campaign we know when our decision from ation campaign is complete when everything in the American People believe is false is complete when everything in the American People believe is false period end quote how do i know that Barbara Hornick a friend of mine was there when hes period end quote how do i know that Barbara Hornick a friend of mine was there when he said it she immediately reported to the press so if you want the american piece at it she immediately reported to the press so if you want the American People to be obedient and know only what the Mainstream Media people to be obedient and know only what the Mainstream Media want you to hear