Have mentioned the paul or the core of hungary right over the past several years right the problem with the origin of the problem is that the European Union these not able to solve this problem weve been utopian you know with these comes because hungary Czech Republic poland are the members of the European Union right now and you. Capture there are you also. The theater nation of other very important create the area to have established member theyre not able to solve this there of course then they are not able to solve this in the western balkans when this is running much much larger scale. In these countries its always been a good. Many observers that former soviet satellites like bulgaria romania poland became members of the European Union. For the constituent parts of former and on the line yugoslavia having looked at how those various countries measure against the yardstick are you sure that its always been a function of janey and democratic or Economic Development rather than lets say geo political expediency i would say that is one of the geopolitics in this process and of course the European Union wants to bring to take in this country has become some kind of shields. Other countries especially russia maybe some some other countries but i think the. In 1809 when the berlin wall came down i think that the during the night these and even after 2000 the majority of the prevalent mood in discounted is was that they want to join european. Paul and sort of example i mean this goes without saying countries like paul rudd so they wanted to join European Union more than anything else because they want to sell some kind of protection from russia you know this is all that matters right now me about the countries wanting to join i mean obviously much of Eastern Europe and that i wanted to join not only because of the quality of Democratic Institutions but i assume also because of the quality of life and economic benefits but speaking about poland you mentioned that there has been a deterioration in democratic progress across eastern until within 5 Cross Western europe lately and. You know the popular narrative in the west is that in countries where russia is present thats understandable because russia is supporting autocratic tendencies etc but poland is very notable. Example contrary to die theory because its been staunchly anti russian for a number here is and yet as we all know theres been a backsliding on democracy how do you explain it and isnt it perhaps isnt it perhaps an indication that the way people thought about democratization. 20 years ago is not accurate its far more complex and perhaps violence lay near than i would say i would explain the polish case very similar to the one gettin case and some cases in the western balkans all has to do with the way how the countries were democrat and what happened with the distribution of resources basic resources i think that in in polish case and other cases i mention the 1st couple of decades some of them. Improving of material wealth or whatever it is im but generally these these people they saw the whole process as unjust or unsafe there is a polish origin political scientists. Who mention this in 1901 so even the process of democratization europeanization is not fair so that everybody stand to benefit those who are the losers they will get back and they will the strike back so i think this is whats happening in paul and this is whats happening whats happening im going to this whats happening in serbia and some western balkan countries so i have to also innocent germany and these are men who do you know thats right so now there comes the opinion you and you and the enlargement process this self i think that the european officials dont really recognize that so they dont they support i mean when it comes to the balkan countries they support the balkan out of credits they simply play north tension to whats happening today and i think this is what is genuinely putting the whole thing in danger let me just mention one thing for example in a couple of years back in serbia. Group of masked people tore down several factors of houses and buildings in the downtown of belgrade. 3 years on we have no idea what happened who did that the Public Prosecutor is not saying and. Right and the European Union is not saying dont do such or. Such are huge violation of the rule of law now this is the most interesting part that this could have never been told to the german in berlin this could have never been tolerated yes european officials mention this at no point while at this point here are not officially a member of a european every month they have an excuse of not interfering in into their fares all obey that they can into the theater because there are certain chapters which set certain standards that the aspiring countries has to fulfill and those shots of 22242324 its long been believed that the enlargement policy at has dual objectives democratizing Eastern European countries as well as fulfilling the e. U. Foreign policy agenda one element of which is to keep russia at bay to keep its influence minimized and yet i get it from your writing that it its not always working as intended and sometimes they say and to russians trick is actually contributing to the rise of autocratic leaders and these toleration of the lack of the rule of law that you mention how does it work. In some confidence you will find the other objective about having a country that look at ties and then at the same time be. Serving as a shield against russia is work for sample taken for example montenegro despite very massive population support Popular Support for russia the monthly need to be in leaders somehow managed to get the government and you go into nato and you know induction of all democratic way are right but it doesnt really have to work so supporting out the krauts in the balkans could. End the way you did in one thing you dont solve it will it will become one day. European union needs all of the part of nato but it would be a it could end up in a different way so one of some of these countries could go closer to russia so serbia is wrong of this country which is neither here nor there in the foreseeable future it will surely never become part of making but will go closer to russia we dont know that will be conserved because a part of. The same thing is on the our north mustard on the on the rule of nickel and whoever skit was doing the same thing so and he was heavily supported by the european official i mean one of the foreign minister was even coming to his electoral rally a couple of days before the elections to give him pats on the back and they give him up a european supporter do i understand you correctly because i mean they became fickle european narratives that moscow supporting autocrats because they are more amenable to. The kremlin from the herion a. Essentially saying that brussels is guilty of the same charge that it supports a leader who finds more amenable or easier to deal with about it is for stability or for geo political purposes i would say its maybe not in this world but i would say if we see in the future that some balkan countries are driving away from european these asian union and going closer to russia one part of the responsibility will be with utopian the solutions so the whole process of a large meant i think have to be rethought if you will especially when it comes to its applicability how you are ply all these standards are you consistent double standards maybe someone thats i think what should be rethought serbia as you mentioned is an interesting example because it tries to strike a balance between the e. U. And russia and there are multiple accusations that president of which is has been is european power controlling of the media etc but he also appointed. The 1st openly gay Prime Minister which is a major progressive milestone for this country is serbia indeed more european that it then appears to be is it being europeanized or is it just trying to look at a part you know. I mean we have Prime Minister who is openly gay but thats all fake i mean fake in terms of. Promoting European Values because the major thing these states capture extraction of publicly sources for private benefits and this is whats going on right now if a gay Prime Minister is not really putting be seen danger the political elite is fine with us and with many other things right as as long as extraction is untouched the state capital is untouched everything is acceptable and even the European Union is acceptable at the moment in this i think that the major thing that european officials have to understand the moment european officials seriously i ask questions about extraction about state capture in the west and balak as they will get in the conflicts in serious conflict with a lot of leaders well professor polish we have to take a short break well be back in just a few moments thank you. Bill. Eh eh eh. Eh eh. Eh eh. Eh eh eh. Oh. Lists lists lists. Lists. Playing. Very well now can see you watching us and see us. 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But we also should have concerns about doing nothing doing nothing is extraordinarily risky you know world with some point 5000000000 people at a whole series of over ancient Technology Used to it that are not necessarily suitable for a more. Welcome back to worlds apart in dishes publication associate professor and the faculty of Political Science at the university of belgrade professor before the break we talked about how the large one is perceived outside the e. U. Lets now discuss about how its seen on the inside im sure youve seen this latest interview d in the economist magazine the french president a man gave and he firmly stated that there would be no further e. U. Enlargement until the membership procedures are formed do you take that as just postering which is not entirely foreign to mishear electron or do you think its a wider shot as far as the e. U. Neighborhood policies concerned i think that the. French president actually expressed the idea which is pretty consistent with what weve been talking in the in the 1st part of the interview and this is that everybody sees that something is going wrong with the process of course what part of the problem is not only is not happening in the western balkans but part of the problem is in European Union itself because the union is undergoing pretty huge. Changes and i think that some things that he mentioned in this interview hall for a total revision of the whole approach to European Union rights for example one thing that i think is very important is that that is that there was a huge change in the u. S. And the u. S. Was a country which basically provided security. For European Union russia now this country is now changing mr trump wins yet another term this is 4 years of this change that will be applied and everybody will feel the consequences not this. Calls for reform of the of the position of the European Union in the world now you have on your borders countries like russia china is also somebody there is terry kay. War in syria this is war ready close to your door maybe we should think about already organization a Security System and if we do this what kind of position the western balkans country should be. Going to understand well but i think if it was not only about the western balkans per se i mean he was speaking about that and the larger context accepting new members and we all know that he wasnt just you know putting ideas on the table france is actually blocking membership talks for any and north of us and on and it has come up with its own system 7 step system of i think they call it a gradual association not even accession do you think there is any chance of that system being accepted by are they are people countries given that they all called them across statements a historic mistake do they have a choice not to i think its going to some version of this will be accepted because its a very nice way to have a cake and theyd still read so they know without saying no so he will say ok we are continuing our on our path of integrating more confidence but essential is going to be a prolonged or a long long way until we reach the 7 step right there with my beasts several decades right you could see immediately after they explicitly say x. The european officials explicitly said no to the north macedonians in the binya what kind of problem it cause i mean so pretty basic diplomatic rule is dont say no explicitly just to put it in some kind of. Very nice wording good that ever. But they want something in that same interview president across the thinking about the e. U. Neighborhood policy in terms of access to the e. U. Was quote absurd what else could the European Union offer a to this neighborhood if its not very remold. Prospect of joining them what else. You know i dont think. That there is anything else but some kind of hope that the sooner a way that these countries will become your members if this is a move of the table i think that we can forget about any kind of neighboring policy so. Countries here want to call part of the me in the western balkans want to cooperate with them because there is some kind of. In the end of the tunnel theres a light that the light is not very d material i mean like you cannot feed of their life you cannot and i know you have been to some to live i mean given the what you talk about extraction state extraction i mean from the point of view of relief thats. Im just going back to my previous thought so you have to give them some kind of hope and then you will have them as somebody who will cooperate with you if you shut this down this channel down and say look we are not you are not going to be members in any foreseeable future but lets try to be neighbors i dont think this would really help the plans that European Union has for itself because as i said wanted to argue the current. E. U. Enlargement process is actually doing. Some very thing itself so the interest that the European Union has on the balkans is actually working on the long ground against European Union now the reason i ask you that question was because while the prospect of enlargement in practical terms is very slim many european officials are still talking about this range and in very possessive terms for example the incoming president of the European Commission their sole of one that i said just the other day that if the e. U. Fails to offer a european perspective to the western balkans then others and she named china russia turkey and even saudi arabia will fill the gap do you think that you can still. Count on exclusivity or if you will monogamy on the head of the countries in this region i think is unfair to ask for that no i think it is but thats what im on no must go on wanted to express so we have to rethink the whole thing that i think that he didnt say anything more than that and this is very true if dupion noonan pulls itself out of this area or somebody else will come believe that it doesnt have to be either or why couldnt it be chinas influence influence here helping to build a railroad russian influence or russian presence here helping to this sort of inviting european influence here helping to strengthen the institutions i mean this is how you would normally think about International Cooperation and yet when it comes to the western balkans its either you belong to me or you belong to them i would say that the countries and people function as a family so that is a european family that is about to within european family knows about the family they somehow feel some sort to say to your father your mother right there when there isnt a certain age when you can move out of your house and get married then to have your own children and well thats what i would always held. Sort of my kids and my parents then the kids and pets i dont know by that absolutely but that doesnt mean that you absolutely should be held hostage to them and you have no rights you engage with them i dont think that anybodys health or such of the problems is that in the western balkans we have a discussion on going discussion for 30 years whether we are europeans are not humble in serbia this is very very hard to debate and we are not able ourselves to decide these issues or we in russia believe that we are here i dont know about your. Firmly believe that we are predominantly european culture which doesnt preclude us from trading with the east in fact they have this could be an advantage of integrating both in fla. Into International Relations the theater from somebody else for who will who is who will knock on your door and plunder and kill you or your compatibility is very is very strong for example the fear of fresh air coming in knocking on your door getting into europe. And the present a threat is very very very alive still a so the lodgment process maybe one of the most important components is incorporate these countries which used to belong which were closer to russia in the past and have them now because you feel