He would like to reduce detention between the any differences that exist between the muslim countries and thats what our stance has been how do we talk about having the assassination as we said whats pakistans position when donald trump tweeted that he wanted to destroy cultural sites in iran but i think. The world statement and our leaders have reacted to that and the we have this is this is how we look at it that any action that could destabilize the region that could escalate detention in the region is a matter of concern to us thats the same as the british governments position is although Boris Johnson did send 2 warships immediately to iran through as it was montrose major missile defended to the shores i mean would pakistan join in any u. K. Intervention against iran i think our position is very clear if you look at the statements coming out of park a sign that we would not like to be part of any. Adventure and we would not like to be part of anything that causes. Of the region or peace in the region in feathers in the Foreign Office here they are saying they also want the escalation lets move on then to kashmir because theres not that much about kashmir here in the major nation media what is the situation as you understand it there are reports that the internet again is down and that journalists. Havent been able to cover whats going on what is going on in kashmir well i think what you have seen their fleet is the development post 5 august unilateral illegal decision which has been taken on measures that have been taken by the Indian Government to change the start as of kashmir. Ever since there has there is a humanitarian crisis people are looking looking at that humanitarian crisis from the you know closing the shutting down of the Internet Services or any of the Community Mosque of indication and the valley has been actually out of contact with the rest of the word is under siege for the last more than 5 months now it is 162 days by now and. I have been in touch with the a lot of media houses here and elsewhere and none of them to have any access to the indian are quite dismayed once the people allow to good there and get to know what what has happened and how the people. In our part kashmir have suffered i think that this would be the type of and people would come to the world would come to know what has happened you has written as unnamed an mmog mosque thousands of them people have worried about those who were disappeared and finally they found out in 2009 as a result of the west occasion which was carried out by International People stray women which later on file a report of 100 page about how many mosque if they discovered how many bodies were found on those gifts and the indian and how india has been actually lying about it and there. Would be people who infiltrated the sea or the Border International border and they were shot down by in the encounters but that was not the kiss butt. I wish id known in the Fake Encounter will the if you government as you know denies all accusations of atrocities indeed denies that it is occupied by the government they believe it is theirs what is your just saying wait until the press is allowed back in to be honest not actually do none of the via doing everything in our capacity actually we have reached out to almost every member country of denied now in our nations we constantly you know create teddy of innocent development over there are people what is going to do we have been inviting attention of the International Community that it just time it is high time that International Community should intervene to save the situation in india not quite kashmir where the people are suffering for the last more than 7 decades now pakistan is calling for you know United NationsSecurity Council emergency meeting or war because nothing seems to be actually happening in the past 5 months and thats thats very sad thats very sad that the International Community has not taken enough interest or not taken that keen interest to call india to account i believe that 1st of all i would like to really the opportunity that the parliamentarians over head and you kid they have really taken a very strong stance against whats going on in india correct kashmir in terms of human rights wallish ns good britain as well member of the un Security Council guesses to permanent member at all of them to raise this at the un Security Council evy have been actually asking all d p 5 members to look at the situation there if you look at the has demanded that independent Inquiry Commission to visit Indian Occupied kashmir to see the situation on the ground not only that the un high Commissioner Office has also. Many times over for sending. You know independent commission again nothing rejected general good tears it has to be said and india says pakistan is supporting. The Financial Action task force established by the g 20 saying that the august is involved in corruption. Do you think that is holding more sway with the International Community than the voices coming out of this but i think india has been found you know raising this thing again alleging that. Connection between parkes on and these nonstate actors. If you if you go back to feverishly statement by the Prime Minister after the pajama. Prime minister many times asked india to provide any evidence they have never provided any evidence let me tell you one thing that india has always looked for the opportunities to raise the tension in the region and it has always been the by virtue of the responsible attitude has endangered the peace of the region india has mustered the art of actually carrying out false flag operations. In india also in india acquired kashmir and blame it on pakistan all the nonstate agonizes all of that is you know just turning to cooperation with china because pakistan is a close alliance with china it wasnt too long ago china russia and iran were having joint drills in the persian gulf i understand that china and pakistan have a joint military drills in the persian gulf and of course the kashmir crisis affects beijing as well any joint cooperation between pakistan and china to resolve the kashmir crisis as you consider it let me 1st of what one point to what you said in the end that india has been denying all these things what all india can deny india has a perpetrator d. Crimes against humanity in india about kashmir and has been doing it with impunity. As for the you have mentioned you know there to parks on china a relationship is pretty deep and we are you know. More of a relationship is not just restricted to the military exercises but you know that we have jointly developed Fighter Aircraft just 17000 of the have also in the economic side that you must have heard about the chatterbox and economic order which is the flagship project of. Initiative china but the countries have been trying to ensure that the potential of this region which is which is which is huge should be exploited to the advantage to provided one to the people over there because you know there is a highest concentration of the people in abject poverty in that part of the world he will just finally very briefly as i could restrain landed you know Boris Johnson was reelected or elected Prime Minister just very brief the imminent trade deal between pakistan and britain breaks it. Well i think very well because their bags searched on one hand if it was a challenge for the british people i think we have seen it as an opportunity and looking into all the opportunity as to how best nothing concrete there yes no no actually yes it is we already have a very tradition of the strong relationship between and u. K. We have a very strong business relationship between the 2 countries we are negotiating we are in contact with the the british side is also in contact with us and. We know that the into that phase of trollish of this is going to start least i believe that side by side they would be undertaking those activities very bad they would conclude the anyones business 7 months with the countries like pakistan i question thank you thank you very much after the break from a United Ireland to war in the middle east we are former Irish Defense and Justice Minister helen chancer if lack of trust in our media and politicians is fueling global instability. Deal. Back. Welcome to max kaiser. Yanks this is what happens to pensions in britain. Watched as a recurring. Welcome back britains breakfast mandarins were no doubt watching closely u. K. Prime minister Boris Johnsons meeting in the past 48 hours with irish Prime Minister. But kamber and could be trusted as johnson drives direct straight the u. K. From the European Union revelations from one of his former cabinet colleagues alan shatter in his new book frenzy and betrayal the i definitely have a political assassination arguably suggest not former justice and defense minister joins me now from naples in florida alan before we go to more pressing issues arguably about ireland and its place in the European Union tell me about the book frenzy and betrayal the anatomy of a political assassination and why it may interest any politician or person in public life concerned with the truth well the book really has 2 Different Levels to it the main story is extraordinary and bizarre events that took place in our london irish politics in the 2014 period i was central to those events i was minister for defense and minister for justice at the time and politics were really taken over by a variety of applications all of which were false which are cast doubts both on my honesty and my capacity to do the job i was doing. There was a media frenzy around these events great number of untruths told at the time and i did what i thought was the right thing which is get on with my job and tell the truth and its taken 5 years of controversy and difficulty and. Independent investigations and court cases to establish that all of the issues that i addressed i dealt with competent there and i always told the truth but its a broader story than doubted that i started writing the book in 2015 after i ceased to be a member of government and it was about the importance of truth the truth matters the manner in which what i described was fabricated truth has taken over and thats become part of todays contemporary International Political debate what i mean by fabricated truth is that people decide for strategic or selfish reasons to tell lies the lies are repeated and they gain so much public credibility that anyone who tries to challenge untruths themselves end up being targeted and vilified never more relevant than today arguably with all the accusations flying around about Boris Johnson and of course donald trump president the country where you are right now but when you talk about the media and the media frenzy what does it say about the idea of balance in the media given that some may find it disturbing that your vindication in multiple inquiries only came much later when you were in the middle of it you seemed utterly powerless wrote the difficulty was journalists became so excited and attached to scandal stories that they lost the interest in archie investigation the truth they became personally invested in simply promoting the now shift that they thought was the most interesting one the most the one that attracted public attention the one that created headlines and thats the real difficulty in a real problem in todays world my argument is those are those in the context of the need to produce instant stories the pressure of news media now on. Line the pressure of 247 t. V. That there are too many journalists easily seduced by simple stories who arent invested in checking credibility or Fact Checking and its extraordinarily dangerous period arent or any other parliamentary democracy to find ourselves in a space where truth has ceased to matter where the rule of law seizes to matter and where simply the only thing that appears to be important is to take on and promote a narrative generates News Headlines sells newspapers and attracts online Media Attention im afraid of anyone watching wants to know the specifics of what brought down an irish just as in defense minister theyre going to probably have to buy the book but just i did wonder that the scandal seems to begin by these a bizarre ideas of surveillance of the irish police force the garda did it not occur to you that it would still not already said everyone is bugged anyway by g. C. H. Q. In britain anyway the whole story was a pointless read the beginning the sunday Times Newspaper a murdoch paper produced a sensational story that the police have their supervisory body under surveillance and there was no ifs buts or maybe about the story it was asserted it was taken up by opposition politicians it was taken up by media. I was the minister for justice at the time i knew not think of the alleged surveillance within 24 hours stablished that the story was false when i try to publicly set out the detail of what occurred i was accused of cover up but of lying as minister for justice my credibility was very viciously attacked and without going into the detail of the story by the time the truth was a sabha. Been forced to resign from government but it really is i suppose a story of universal relevance about the importance when allegations are made against any individual be they a politician are someone. Otherwise in public life or in private life of the importance of them being investigated of them not being simply validated to generate headlines but of the true facts being established and journalist approaching these issues with an objective investigation of mine yes but if people dont know your name as well as they might its really no leo varadkar is a champion of neoliberalism of identity politics and yet he doesnt go of very well in your own your book taught me about one point your religion of peace with the god of commissioner Martin Clunes one of the individuals involved in the events that occurred is the current Prime Minister in ireland the override occur an individual with whom i was a colleague in cabinet who for reasons best known to him saw fit to. Raise these issues knowing i was out of the country and to run a narrative that ultimately proved in the context of my engagements with these issues to be entirely false narrative. Im still awaiting the day for him to apologize for the manner in which he conducted himself because if he had genuine concerns around the issues that he publicly raised we were cabinet colleagues were simply in offices down the corridor from each other and i found myself in the rather odd position where he i was under attack by him as was the former guard the commissioner at a time when i was on a an official visit to mexico of all places for st patricks day events we always invite to the irish geezer going on to this program to try and refute some of the. Or allegations but certainly in the book its clear that youre alleging use of Anonymous Sources and in this country ahead of the general election that elected Boris Johnson the b. B. C. Political editor norah kearns were got to retract anonymous or stories that seem to defame labor Party Activists do you think that highlights the danger of anonymous sourcing obviously it can be very useful. I think really it comes down to one issue i think in public life as in private life being truthful is important if you have genuine concerns about an issue and youre working with colleagues who you can it can engage with you engage directly with them i dont think you need to talk to them through a public microphone or through the use of Anonymous Sources briefing newspapers but when that sort of approach is taken its unfortunate that some journalists are willing simply to go with what the anonymous source is telling them because its going to generate political excitement and create headlines i think yes i agree Anonymous Sources play a role and indeed Anonymous Sources can be extremely important to ensuring truth is actually talked to power and issues that are being dealt with scandalously are properly addressed and brought out into the open but i think theres an obligation on journalists when briefed by Anonymous Sources to check the validity of what the story is theyre being told as best they can but unfortunately in todays world. Belief seems to trump knowledge and. I think when it comes to facts facts have ceased to matter to far too many people who make judgments and pass judgments and express opinion indeed we now live in a world where opinion i think is given greater importance than knowledge or very briefly before we get on to Current Events do you think live or add to wouldnt be the shock if you havent destroyed your career i have no doubt that the manner in which he engaged with the issues that i write about substantially contributed beneficially to his reputation because of the perception that was created in the mind of viral. People at the time because of the manner in which he was promoted by the media for the media its of course manna from heaven when one member of cabinet has perceive