Surprise you. Well its very difficult for him and new york as jess face its most significant challenges so i guess im not surprised normally a president gets a significant bump in times of crisis is president s bump was about 5 points its so gave him his highest favor ability of the president say there wasnt anything like George Herbert walker bush or george w. After 911. 00. Other president s j. F. K. After the challenges of cuba. This president i think it is a tightrope because there are so many people who have made up their minds about him either positive or negative and theres really very few undecided voters right now but if he wants to feel sick sure if he wants to head into this election with a better than 5050 shot. Reelection he really needs an Approval Rating of about 50 percent and he does not have that now to your credit when you were last here in late february you said the dollar trumps reelection chances were good unless the coronavirus epidemic became larger and more disruptive they just see that coming. I saw it coming i still see it coming and i still believe that this election in the end is going to turn out on its a horrible thing to say but its going to turn on how many people die its a turn on whether the perception is that it is trumps fault or chinas fault that we had this crisis and its going to turn on joe biden because we may not have conventions this summer its still possible that they will be like this interview is done online but we are most certainly going to have debate and in that debate biden is going to have to show that he has the capability not only to lead the country and i dont not only to be the joe biden of the past but the joe biden of the president it is not just going to be a referendum on donald trump when the 2 men sit down and debate each other i am going to have to prove that hes ready to step in he is drama and experience standpoint. But hes going to have to prove that hes ready and capable im a communications standpoint to take over from this president and we dont know now an april the way things are going to be in october frank no is better at this than you in all the years ive known you do you think biden can meet the challenge i do and that will surprise a lot of people that i say that but that assuming that he does donald trump has the capability to impress but he doesnt seem to have a sense of humility to know when to step back and i think that both candidates are going to enter this election and to me the election really starts on labor day theyre going to enter with more people thinking badly of each candidate then well then were going to have a higher percentage of americans that disapprove of both individuals and in the end its going to be decided by those people right now its about 6 percent of the vote that have a negative perception of donald trump a negative perception of joe biden but believe that they absolutely positively must vote and we dont know where those people are going to go. Does that mean frank that bidens Vice President ial choice is very very empowering mom in this race. I think its going to be even more important john mccains v. P. Nominee in 2008 i think that among that 6 percent and thats all it is 94 percent of americans have already decided who theyre going to vote for and frankly there are only 11 states that are really him play. I think that the Vice President nominee for biden will be important for about 5 or 6 days until the republican benjamin happens and then dose youre going to have a debate and i got to tell you watching my pants debate against a big genius senator i guess Hillary Clintons choice tim kaine showed the power of what a Vice President ial nominee can do mike pence is one of the best debaters in american Politics Today and what do you like him or dont is very skilled at that are we going to have a Vice President ial debate it is going to matter this time and im convinced that joe biden is going to choose carefully. Are we going to have conventions. Donald trump absolutely wants one i dont know whether the democrats do we will be open for business in august but how many people are going to be willing to be in a room in a Convention Hall with thousands and thousands of people youre willing wearing an l. A. Dodgers hat and you and i share a love of baseball i wonder how quickly were going to go to a stadium and join that game again were not going to have a vaccination by then we are going to be all over this. Virus but were not going to have that vaccination and i question whether americans in august will still be doing the same things or actions they still will be doing the same things we were doing last august we may have no supports at all the rest of the year. I mean that to me is i love. Even more than politics i love sports and the idea that were not going to have a baseball season the idea that were not going to have a football season this tells me that its going to take a while for us to come back that those who say that may 1st or may 15th is going to open the doors were not going to im a pulse or and my job is to understand Public Opinion and i know that a significant percentage of the American People d are afraid or anxious not to day oppose donald trump its not that they want the economy to get started slowly theyre simply nervous about engaging in traditional public activities restaurants are going to start slowly not only sports malls are a star so the hotels and starts so airlines are going to start so and so even when we open up were not going back to the way things were for many months or even years i really believe this in the polling that we have that the american psyche is different today than it was 90 days ago over the weekend trumpery tweeted a call to fire dot defiled g f to found she said in an interview that a stronger earlier response could have saved lives everyone seems to agree with that we abolished the pandemic machine that we had going in november while i was or as felt she being held to blame for this. Hes not and i think that was simply tacked onto a tweet that trump was responding to and that the phrase it was hash tag fire fatty i seen a little bit of that and its primarily come from those on the far right i dont believe that that was not the part of the tree to trump was focused on i dont believe thats going to happen anthony found he has the highest favor ability rating of any individual an american today even though we are just finishing up with easter and passover anthony found shes more piker got to be careful dont be john lennon here but anthony found hes more popular than the pope he has a Higher Credibility level that anyone in America Today that any politician any sports star any entertainment star anthony found cheat what he says people listen to and donald trump is smart to have him around and i actually say metaphysically bear hug him because people trust felt cheated that hes going to give them the right kind of guidance and even have some support youre going to be much more popular and much more credible on the other the head and donald trump isnt he a little bit jealous of that. He shouldnt be a maybe but he shouldnt be that the role of a leader is search around yourself and people who are even better than you are who are more expert in your profession so his Economic Council as soon clued people who understand what it is to run a business with 10 people or a 100 people or 1000 or 10000 people even under a 1000 people that health. Counselor hes got and and mike pence has been getting good marks so far but dr blix and the people from the c. D. C. And the people for and i. H. Donald trump is as he says not a doctor is not a scientist hes not a researcher so his responsibility is surrounding himself with people up on that platform and giving them the chance to be heard so in reality this is a very good thing for the country and i just wish someone would tell the president that give them even more time to be heard and it would be good for you give them less time to be heard and while you may be center stage it doesnt work as well new expect president obama to take a very active role and november. Not only president obama because he is the 2nd most popular democrat i expect Michelle Obama to be in the campaign trail she is tremendous shes not just respected shes loved and she has tremendous influence and those independent undecided voters a significant percentage of them are women and i would actually rather have barack obama brings both positive and negative Michelle Obama only brings positive and if i were the Biden Campaign i would ask her specifically give me 3 days michigan wisconsin pennsylvania north carolina. Florida particularly northern florida i would ask for 3 Straight Days with her because shes going to have even more influence than barat and larry if i can i need to do this because theres one elected official that ive not spoken about in my twitter or any into the interviews like this and that is the governor of california who has done an outstanding dot job i believe youre in california i know im here in l. A. And the fact that we have not gone through it the yorkers went through more enter cormo does an excellent job at presenting the facts and his briefings have been incredibly informative but its actually the governor of california who threw his early action when people thought it was unnecessary Gavin Newsome deserves a tremendous shout out for doing such a great job the state and for cooperated with america say in l. A. Which is a lot better than what cuomo and the mayor of new york have done. Its a name not mention im going to bring a mob frank right after the break and see if hes going to get involved at all its george w. Bush will be right back. Heteros long russian spy. Im a journalist its all i know being a truth teller people say i make among come from good news is like a jackhammer good drill down and to find the true news with rick sanchez because its time to do news again and question more. Aeroflot russian airlines. As the Unemployment Rate is not protected to reach 30 percent of america higher than the Great Depression the stock markets up 30 percent from recent lows and the size of the Central Bank Balance sheet has expanded by trillions so the question is which came 1st the expansion of the Central Bank Balance sheet or unemployment and what is the cause and what is the effect as weve been saying on the show for 10 years Central Bank Balance sheet expansion causes the unemployment because it causes the deflation that causes the economic duress that creates the unemployment. Ok frank luntz george w. Bush you cant like donald trump very much is a republican does he campaign for him i dont believe he does i dont believe the bush family gets involved i think the blood was so bad between them in 2016 and its very difficult for the president to get essentially to get on his knees and ask for his support or ask for mitt romney support i think trump is going hes become the leader of the Republican Party hes become the most. The most sought after spokesman his rallies up until when he couldnt do them anymore was still very very well attended and was still very intense i think from goes it alone and that may be a mistake on his part but i cant see him standing on stage with w. And i can see him standing on stage with the most recent nominee mitt romney well thats going to hurt him badly isnt it because they certainly mean votes well i know that. I look at Michelle Obama and i know that she means votes among women i know that i am a see can be very helpful to joe biden among voters on the left who supported Bernie Sanders and feel a little bit lost that that binds not their cup of tea on the republican side i expect there to be Significant Church involvement. That need born again the Christian Community will be active in jewish vote because the president s strong support for israel has never been up for grabs in a president ial race it could be this time and in a state like florida it really does matter but i think when when all is said and done it is simply down trumped there says joe biden and all these other aspects may help a few 1000 votes where it has about there but its really not significant it really is trump biden for or for the selection. And what woman do you think is in the lead in trump in bidens mind well if again a fire him and obviously im not i be looking at a governor i would not be going with senator club or sharp because the democrats are in one minnesota it is a swing state it is up for grabs but i do looking for governor like whitmer from michigan and the fact that she has taken on trump pretty vocally in the last few weeks tells me that she herself wants to be considered i think shes the front runner i think trump needs someone whos dealt with a virus shes going to have to prove that detroit was an anomaly because we know that city is suffering right now but i really put her as the most likely choice. And finally frank since the polls is like to go on the past and you have nothing to go on because it is never going to be an election like this one what do you forecast how come back to before is over but right now what do you fork. I can call it and the fact is youre d one of the few entities that i do because your larry king and i dont want to be in this situation were going to have the most negative campaign weve ever had and theyre going to have the most negative ads may have ever had these debates are going to be highly destructive whatever stance of coming together that we have because of this virus im afraid is going to get torn apart by politics and theyre very sure a few shows like yours very few house like you that really want to get at the truth and arent trying to bang the gavel on one side or the other i am very sorry for this country that were about to go through it very sorry for what were going through right now with so many people sick and it breaks my heart id like to give you a prediction but i cant its too close to call and so much can happen between now and then i just pray i pray i pray that we dont get to 60000 deaths in america and i pray that these 2 nominees will d treat each other with dignity respect and civility because thats what the American People need right now as always frank to quote dickens Great Expectations great having you with us as always frank luntz thank you insights from the front lines of the fight against covert 19 as i welcome not to read pesca to our emergency medicine expert he joins me from delaware we lead the world in this your assessment how do we stand. Well i received a lot of change over the past few weeks and every day is much different than the one before were in the fight of our lives really no getting around it but ive been buoyed by what ive seen over the past few days dedication and passion of Health Care Workers who are fighting the fight of their lives and beginning to turn the tide do we need a National Strategy or is this state by state. I think that we have had some success with a lot of state by state approaches but theres really no question at this point that a coordinated nationwide strategy that leverage is that heterogeneity and the ability of different states to add different parameters to this fight is absolutely critical and leveraging the power of the federal government leveraging their powers of all the states combined is certainly what we need right now whats a situation where you are in new jersey. I just returned from a string of ships up in north jersey right over the river from new york city and ill tell you its like nothing ive ever seen in my life rows and rows of into baby patients with on the breathing tube on the ventilator patients who are critically ill everywhere all over the hospital doctors nurses techs and therapists who are running all over doing everything they can for patients with disease that ill tell you the 5 paradigms of medicine and its truly challenging everything we know about medicine and emergency doctor being the state of what it is he has to be pretty well versed in almost every area of us and he was a very serious actions we have the honor and the privilege of seeing the 1st 15 minutes of all specialties of medicine seeing people with strokes and seeing people with heart attacks seen people with minor injuries and illnesses its important to have a breadth of knowledge as well as depth of knowledge and we have male female physicians all over the country who are tremendous at what they do and i think making tremendous advances against the disease. What do you make of the idea of a nanny malaria drug. You know how to dress a clerk when the drug thats been talked about a lot has bench Theoretical Research to suggest it may be effective theres certainly nothing compelling to suggest that its a drug thats going to be a miracle nothing that says it alone will turn the tide ive seen patients on hydrox a clerk and most of my patients with coke in 1000 have been on a drunks a clear record and while i know there are stories out there that talk about it as a Game Changing miracle drug that has not been my experience we dont have clinical ecuadors right now we need data we need Clinical Trials and we need to move forward in the evidence based paradigm that defines medicine for the past several decades or professionally what does it do we know about professionally what is old is done do you personally you know are fortunate enough to have had some tremendous training both at the Naval Academy in the navy and at medical school and residency ive seen a lot of things as an emergency physician certainly nothing like what i see now but you know theres bad stuff out there i dont know what to tell you theres people dying and theres people dying that b