Because visionary. During times when its hard to say what next week. In one thing in. The world change. For the. Thomas wright executive director into near futurist at colorado its been changed its just great to have you with us so much to talk about you know all the conveyance of the moment that stuff to condemn make will never be to say like it was like post 911 will there will be a past corroding world but why are we so sure because they did back the world not after 911 it really didnt end up being that much different. Yeah. There are several factors that make mr different 1st of all the coal economy was never designed to just shut down and be restarted and yet. Were going to start saying all kinds of whole send in things from the start. Start up again our supply chains are going to be all messed up. But people go back to work a lot of people on earth have had time to think about what their job was and what they were doing and a lot of people are going to decide that they dont want to go back to that same job they want to do Something Different and so theyre going to this is going to be the biggest job transition of all industry. So overall when you when you when you factor in all of these things together i think the sense of being the most expensive crisis of all history. From from an economic standpoint i think it actually rivals route work too. Its just huge going to be hugely expensive as we start trying to put all the pieces back together again. When steady engine stops churning it get it started again or were going to start seeing all these cracks in theres so many of these little Small Businesses that were out there that were striving that are just days away from just collapsing completely and i think a lot of them oh away. At the same token were seeing that we can actually. The Digital Economy people working on Digital Products on line things and services. So scripts whatever those things are going to thrive and Digital Technology i think will will continue to progress throughout all this but the anything in the physical world that requires a lot of people gathering together its going to take a long time to get started going to have a line not that the. Another thing that im thinking a stave match to surveil a day that we have been placed rag well the matches deployed during this on the time we maintain placed on the crisis now because you know what they say nothing is more permanent than the temporary. So theres a phrase going around that were in the post marmol era that that all the rules of the past some of them may or may not apply anymore and we have to figure out which ones they are any technology thats crazy with all the best of intentions can be of use and be used in the wrong way so we always have to guard against that. Now. In hand so many respects the governments have stepped in. And they. Are very heavy handed and how they its all not a top down Decision Making. To force compliance to make sure that people are are are doing what what they want them to do the to stay indoors never not affecting each other. The same token that the surveillance. Comes at us and lots of bad ways as well. And we can. Were going to start micromanaging a lot of people as a result of this and i think the best for we run into lots of resistance and. 2 im not diminish sure but i think we i think we are right in to what i call the backlash the backlash is coming think is going to be coming in a in a big way because people are falling through the cracks in this different programs and everything to support Small Businesses the end eventually to help them out. I think too many of them are going to fall through the cracks and then thats only have the rioting in the streets that they have a lot of people protesting lots of things go wrong at that point so we have to sell if were getting just from a century. Maybe like a week or 2 ago there was a big article by you well know how our you know him and basically see the coined the article was about the fact that we dont have to choose between privacy and our house so my question to you the setting you really think we can have both. See theres lots of people that think well be better off in a radically transparent world that if we knew everything about everybody that wed all live in a much safer world now the flaw in that thinking is if i know everything about you then i know what your credit card numbers are your Bank Account Numbers your passports and suddenly we loose our ability to alter things and that ownership ability is sunday should alter the way the world works and so we all need some sort of a privacy bubble around each of us what that looks like hasnt been defined legally it hasnt been defined culturally or technologically and and so each time some new Technology Comes along attempts to pierce the privacy may also the speak. So its going to be a challenging situation to find the right balance to find the right mix and 2 i think for a long ways from that you know heres another aspect and within that kind knowledge we sort of stand united in this battle as im. There all ages telnaes to race for humanity not for nations so countries push aside their differences share information finding ben how wary nate and this is remarkable proof that we can actually truly consolidate in the face of global threat but well to sally that area last one from benghazi nobody. So were very united in this single cause. But conflict will always arise for always going to have conflict whether its between regional groups or between nations are between tromp anees going to have conflict in the way that we result that conflict is is going to continually morph and change over time. So as we have large corporations that are fighting other a large corporations the tool set to use for wage cheneys battles are going to morphin and shift. Our billy to hack into things sent to. Essentially rewrite history because weve weve created this whole stream of fake news that. Ringback causes the world to think differently that shifts the Global Opinion against this company or that group of people. Those tools are going to radically different and and so were going to be struggling with trying to deal with with this all. Kind of these mind games that weve never played in the past. But if there are any hope for at least that are man on batteries more populated world after coming 19 i will i think it because i mean i know that the money plan prevented flu in 1983 change much during good comprehension but im thinking maybe were to bomb them i mean weve learned from praying and im going to help clean that humanity is better than what we need care you think him maybe we could be better off coming out of comic 19 in terms of helping each other and more and less with each other. Yeah. Yeah theres. Where were much more globally aware than ever before so. People got caught off guard with the speed of change with us. There are so many things that happened so fast that suddenly we had shortages just everywhere instantly now the fact that. That were aware of whats happening in china or at whats happening in russia or whats happening in australia in south africa where we instantly know what with changes are being made in all of these places this is this is different this instant awareness gives us a commonality a feeling that were in this together. So will this set the stage 1st for a kind of a better green of humanity. I always wish it could but i skeptical on that front so theres that in the in a political world theres too theres too much value in having a common enemy and thats that makes it challenging so even as an as an example in hollywood whatever well we have all the movies you have all the Television Shows we always need a bad guy you need a bad guy in every in harry scenario and every story has been told you need a bad guy and and so thats thats kind of the way weve been raised from birth to think that there are good people and bad people and somehow we separate of that way i think we can move beyond that but i think sort of take out a whole new level of consciousness. Well what about our values and the way theyre changing because. Weve got the law about this that make in terms so the values that are going to change afterwards last decades have been marked with move and consumerism Consumer Society i mean will buy will they just buy stuff that we dont really need what do you think will happen after when we go back to this unreasonable consumption of stuff or on the contrary. Yeah. So if you asked if you asked the question what were your goals 6 months ago and. How to how those goals changed in the last 6 months youre going to find that a lot of the things you thought were so important d 6 months ago are preferrable s. That those are those that think sat wow thats really dumb to be caring about that or am i more in servile mode today im more into knowing where the foods going to come from trade get space mass where publics. Going to have enough money to pay for the food and the rent and water and all of those states. All of all of these priorities start to change and so. 1 its. Its hard hard to say hard to say. Were speculating on so many fronts right now as to what changes permanently and what changes temporarily. I mean i keep going back to when do we when do we go back to the. Place where re actually have you know a 1000 people can get together close corners and have conversations. Like were doing last summer if we could have a concert a festival or crate down main street with all of these things that you just are scared to do right at the moment how on before we return to that i thinks going to be a while im open and patient break right now when were back well continue talking to thomas radke youre the curator at a given chicken talking about what the wild im going to be like obama by written by me or. That is called dont play your team listen. To the law and they can see. They can be so easy when you dont believe. You take the safe rule sets walk next dont. You somebody else take the. Sort of the. Im going to be economic with the break if theres going to be one can be expected for the pandemic is one its for almost a pandemic changed economy. Is there any chance of returning to pretend any condition. And were back with the near future that. You know over the past couple of. 100 men who did. That own line climbing to gradually the men people and sort of badly a pink human contact because. Some of them were saying that alas we need valli a human contact. Thing in a future now lets not learn what. They have got make now coronavirus bursting with him and complex will try to back. Where. Yeah i often get asked the question of how on the far per child meeting as good as meeting somebody in person. Meeting somebody in person or spots a sidebar conversations or spots a body language there is that little beat us that comes down somebody is for it that you mess if youre doing a virtual me. And so ive kind of come to the conclusion that once a Virtual Meeting is as good as meeting so many in person were still not going to go there so somehow 2 the Virtual Meeting needs to be better and meeting somebody in person and so if you can answer that question of what constitutes better then i think that. Thats kind of radically change the equation so i think somebody will hand you the keys to the kingdom if you can answer that question i have met many women half of my lemony safe they think like you know the difference between falling in love when the perfect around but not when i say are a human being i mean that the key thing for him content in town maybe i make plain a month playing it is Energy Energy chemistry how can you get that on line. Right and. These are their rational stouts that concretely to be encrypted in code right its the theres no replacement for the human touch. And. As humans for a social creatures by nature we want to be around other people right now shaking hands with somebody has become a symbol for youre an idiot. Im a big hug or i love to hug people ill say here i cant wait till this is oversight can hug everyone read it. And so all of these things are taboo right at the moment and somehow we need to get back to that because we start craving this this interaction. I specially want to hug my grand kids again i have been able to do that for over a month now and that stuff becomes extremely challenging so. Theres no replacement for these things somehow we need to get past this this fear and ease the anxiety about possibly catching something and then get back to to humanity as i was meant to be. What do you think will happen to this freedom of travel i mean you can spot paris right now to security chat with i dont know lets say a metal detector but you cant really get past the person carrying the potentially deadly virus when we now have to test all known and known viruses before which is to go abroad in the case in our business trip. Yeah thats such a thats such a great question. So the next time you get onto a bus around an airplane or on a train. Has somebody gone through and scans for possible viruses in that environment i dont know that we really have the technology for doing that yet. Somehow we need to get there we need to be able to find that can we get to a quite where maybe we can have it trotting out our skin and that makes us impervious so that can we. Somehow get dipped into this bad of like when and we get hold out and suddenly roach coded in a layer on our skin and that makes us so that were. Impervious to any disease. Will never be just have to cover our face somehow. All of these things that raise a lot of interesting questions but i think its going to spurs so many a. Head of ingenious new technologies to come out of the weather because whenever theres a problem theres an opportunity and the really smart people are looking for where the opportunities are in all this is how thats where the money it sets thats for all the attend some of i think were going to create a whole new breed of heroes as a result of this him having a care people who are already taking become thing that we know how to be back how do we gain with preventing an outbreak when im there when a rape and if you can me when i had a pretty Fair Election recount when their fellow man had him think demick. Yeah. You know its a its a great question because pandemics can come in all different shapes and forms i get asked a lot if i had predicted this and demming and. Almost every futurist out there has a whole list a while current scenarios of things that can go wrong and one of the things on the list is always a and democrat we are like that but the same that was missing the same we couldnt predict was the particular rule set that came along with this one because the next pandemic could be a sexually transmitted disease it could be passed from mother to child its it could pass through our hair follicles they could. Come off of the sweat on 1 our body it theres any number of roles 2nd change it could affect the children more than the adults. And so. Understanding that these particular role sets in one of what a. Fire a School Look Like or a pandemic of any sort in the future i think theyre theyre going to charge us a lot of fronts so. Yeah i get nervous theres an opportunity there for somebody that to come up with some sort of a universal detection system that we can instantly scan the airports scam airplanes so its can buses and trains and cars and all of that. Were a long ways from that. And who do you think they came and and iraq a map. And where people be afraid to travel including airplanes am preaching now on any account possibly nagging striving to find my frown on and. Get me out where people are basically on top of each other. Right right. So when we open the world back up again what does that look like 1. If you go to a sporting event to say that you just have one person in there every 13th seeder ever use for a seat you know the airlines spread out all the seats and only put people and windows and aisles and that in the center seats do eat you so you go down the list you start asking all of these questions are recreate choir masks a certain type of mask before you get on to. Any place in public and so what is it that would make you feel safe. 1 in a crowded environment in the future. And if we chance figure out what makes it feel safe to us then were not going to go out in public and yet i think were going to be starving were going to get cabin fever we want to get out want to be around people. Somehow were craving that that interaction but were also have this. Fight or flight part of the brain thats telling us that its going to be scary thats are going to have something we might die because of that. If not more predictions of what may be the outcome of economic some day maybe month 5 and i may be worth a phone hike out what look around to me for our demographic. I definitely think were going to have a baby boom a lot of lot of Christmas New Year babies as a result of this because the corona babies coroneos are on the l. C. S. Thats erroneous. That its a good name. One thing i think is really interesting is every everything there was produced by by hollywood and t. V. Shows the movies i think theres a huge this is a huge dividing point the stories that were told d d up to this point are going to seem david instantly him are going to have a whole d new generation of storytelling moving forward are very definition of what a hero is what a villain is what success is all of that changes moving into the future our whole value system is suddenly shifted and changed so i i would imagine the good. The writers the storytellers are pitching people in the movie industry right now a whole busy new light of stories that are going to come out of this and we ask the worst are looking for the storytellers to lead the way were looking for them to give us some semblance of what the new normal is going to look like you know and also thinking that in fact in the way a very good in fact may have. Cleaning the air right things to have a little good in the home theory cleaner animals are coming back to Public Places environment is healing itself really quickly and its hard to imagine that one cor and i well when were all going to sort of not use our consul plane so its a recalling a humpback in our car starts hooting again will the coast coronado bloom tries to preserve this and by mountain a chance will there be a new standard term coalition or in limits on the bone lead him unfair and car traffic. Yeah great question. Ive actually consider this notion that maybe sometime in the future that we decide to have a holiday thats one week long and every year we just shut everything down for a week. And week we take a break from everything were doing. Theyve given us a new