At this point in time we understand that 3 people have been victim to some sort of stopping with several others also being injured at this point in time we also know a suspect has been shot to shot dead while we dont know if he is dead yet but he has certainly been shot we believe all of this happened in a stairway of a hotel we think thats the hotels park in on west George Street in glasgow and its also understood that this suspect as i say has been shot now there is a huge heavy Police Presence on the scene you can see in these live pictures on your television that theres about a few dozen Police Vehicles on the scenes and weve also heard from the Scottish Police federation has completely cornered off the entire area of releasing a list of streets to avoid at all points in time which is a message that the state nicholas sturgeon the former 1st minister has reiterated today. As you can see on your screen she has tweeted out saying to the general public to avoid the west George Street in all its entirety please have also sealed off this area and part paramedics in hazmat suits where treating a person on the bloodstain pavement as well allegedly a Police Officer has been stopped that is unconfirmed at this point in time were also told though from the Scottish Police federation that this incident is contained we also understand that there seems to be no further threat to the public we are trying to get as much detail as possible none of this is confirmed at this stage it is clearly a very developing story but what we can reiterate is theres no danger to the public right now and the message to the public is to avoid the area. Well im now joined by the former head of the National CounterterrorismSecurity OfficeChris Phillips. Chris thank you very much for joining us this is very concerning i mean what are the police doing at this time well of course i mean this is terrible and that it soon guys goes all of this is. Almost impossible to prevent. I think someone with a knife there is another run so lets. Just last week and of course the police have now had to cordon off the area and try to deal with the situation is it going well chris this obviously hasnt been confirmed as a terror attack at the moment has it no it hasnt i think is a great deal of similarities to the incident we had a couple weeks ago weeks ago but of course we dont know that and that always comes down to the motivation persons. Data does want more details is it that youre getting chris. Well im just picking up bits and bobs so you are up to the moment of. Very serious injuries you know possibly even dead a place of sort of 0 its certainly one of the injured parties. But of course scotland hasnt had too many terrorist attacks back in glasgow many years ago there was a terrorist attack in the air force but apart from that its been recently clear of terrorist attacks so this will come as a big shock to scotland and also they were a big shock to the police and they all thought hes given the situation with the coronavirus that the countrys been on the guy well its not miracle nightmare at moment one thing after another the. Police under attack in london over the last couple of days and of course they have to deal with these terror terrorist attacks of this attack as well which my might not be terrorism but. Just sort of busy days and i think this whole weathers not helping as well and of course coming out of lockdown doesnt doesnt help the police so this is all just really difficult for the place the main thing here it seems that theyve got the every containing theyve got. My understanding is that they may have controlled the person thats. Been committing these this knife crime and i think from there on the it is just making sure no one else is involved and the police have confirmed that there is no danger to the public anymore that this has been contained as a former Police Officer chris can you talk us through the background of one Something Like this an operation like this what would be happening what the police be doing well 1st and foremost its important the police catch the offender be a friend and any and the accomplices because you know theres not a information yet to tell us what this was someone that did this on his own or whether it was a group of people so they got to stop the initial threat and to do that theyve got to find out whos involved that had to deal with that threat then of course it comes to looking after the victims and the victims families and also all these witnesses the crime scene this this may well have all been captured on c. C. T. V. So that will have to be dealt with a lot sooner also wont know i was the. To find out who did it why they did it and enough theoretically to bring a court case against someone and also chris i mean we obviously at this stage we cant link these particular instance but also this follows on the back of an incident that happened in reading as well is it a particular time on the earth or it is on a high alert. Well it says that the threat in the u. K. Is substantial well and that means i know takrit happen at any time and of course that that is whats happened he is actually relatively low on the attacks threshold in as much as its been much more than that the threat levels have been much higher than that but thats generally when the police are aware that there are people out there of course if this person has come out of nowhere or maybe on the list of 40000 others that are also. Slightly terrorist employee and then of course that doesnt mean to say that the threat level needs to go up and if this persons been dealt with and theres no one else involved then the threat level wont go up tomorrow were looking at some of those details coming straight at chris has been confirmed by the police that a male suspect has been shot dead so its a situation as a place inside has been neutralized doesnt it yeah well you know from my perspective im very pleased about that because it means you cant harm anyone else the most important thing is a vote of course to try and keep people safe and what we see in their pay is. But this is this is also straight out of the isis handbook that they pronounce to the world to all their followers to do this kind of thing so this is this is directly from their own because of what to do whether its usual guns usual noise or usual calls to kill people in their own country so so tonight you stand this could well be a terrorist related incident well well have to find out the police will talk about that later im sure when they got more information about the suspect who did it and what his motives were theres a saying that hasnt yet be confirmed that they say anything to do with terrorism terror knighted as we know yet what kind of advice could you give the public or also how could you reassure them after a situation well that. You know the most important thing you know if you get coop in Something Like this you know youre really unlucky i mean these things whilst were talking about them now they dont happen very often the chances of any individual being coopted to terrorists that are very low however its most important people understand their surroundings and whats happening around them they understand you know understand where the people are coming towards them or going away from them invariably the most safe the safest take this thing that you can do is move away from any situation like this and if you dont know its happening then you wont be able to do that so people Walking Around with headphones looking at if its pretty much the worst thing you can possibly do to give yourself a chance of surviving any kind of attack but its a benefit so if you do stick to social distancing as well that probably gives you a little bit lisa more perspective has that same stuff coming in as well chris mean what does the investigation look like as it is now Going Forward with these very early days the most important thing as i said was to grab hold of the person thats involved whether they kill him or whether the way they deal with him arrest him but then also to find out whether its the other people involved in this and whether he said actually are low necked or whether hes working with a group of people and if hes working with a group of people then they need to be arrested as well and then of course it comes into the investigation the investigation will take a number of phases but you have to look after the crime scene so that will be sterilized as much as possible this photo will be will be out of byrons until the forensics teams are done that work likewise you then move into the investigation so will the witnesses that have to be interviewed theyll be hundreds of those no doubt and and then of course the place of going to start looking at searching his house and anyone else that may have been linked to him so all those forensic opportunities need to be taken and of course telephones and mobile phones and the restraint talking to said that needs to be interrogated is a huge amount of work that follows on from this but of course the most important thing is that those poor victims and anyone else that may have seen this is going to be in a terrible state it is what i mean also in terms of the victims Going Forward as well what kind of support to the Police Officer to people who have seen a situation like this. Well there its much better now than it used to be in my diet can assure you that a lot of thought is put into how we look after victims of crime in there and there are and those people are just seeing crime as you say a horrendous situation excuse me. Horrendous situation for anyone to deal with and they need to have some help and of course the victims and their families the families of those this will last forever in their memory a lot of shocking its shocking to any details that are coming through so far as i can confirm that as i say 900. 00 plus they decide that they the situation has been neutralized by the police in scotland that one man has been shot we are waiting for more details and you having any more details coming through for you chris nothing from my own on picking up the same as you are actually but of course there is a lot of rubbish information that comes out on times like this as well and you know people some are going about whats happened there the most important thing is to listen to what the police are saying and its a place of saying that that threat is largely gone then that kind of tells you that the suspect has been dealt with and that danger in imminent danger is gone but of course what weve seen here probably quite for possibly is copycatting and this is something you know unfortunately the worlds going to do when there are individuals out there that want to commit these types of the want their day in fame and to some extent weve got to stop the moment that they are failing and were going to prevent these attacks but thats a tremendously difficult d thing for d the police and communities to do that is difficult for the place what to actually like for the police on the ground and with a situation like this well dealing with it now its real crisis control so youre trying to prevent any more deaths any more injuries so the Emergency Response is one thing but then of course you move into the slightly longer term investigation and that will be going on for months and months and i think the parking rate from what we could i was only just recently been opened so so you can a man. The amount of time and effort that goes into actually getting all the evidence together so that there is some kind of case and we know exactly whats happened and why its happened and also theres a issue of dealing with misinformation as well isnt the question how do you combat that while social media is a great boost in some ways so much information so many videos of the videos of this actually happening are seeing 2 or 3 videos already of the Police Moving in but of course its a real negative as well and some people will say one tiny aspect of this and will start making comments on that not realizing all the things that happened around it and you see that all the time on social media its a dreadful thing and and of course once at bruma gets out then that can be difficult to stalk but the most important thing is that this gives this gives the police the opportunity to gather better evidence against the suspect on this occasion it looks like hes been killed but of course all. Ago a week ago and that man was still alive and will end up going to court also so this is there are difficult situations and social media has made the world of policing easier in some ways but a lot more difficult ready in office as crisp and its many thanks for your thoughts thank you for joining us. And imagined by an eyewitness to the incident in glasgow thats jamie n a r jenny thank you very much indeed for joining us can you tell us what happened so you walk in a phone shop a very close to a dance that happened to me out of all of the side and heading towards the street. Where the incident took place so where theyre not to go back at their last moments ago dr moreau started it wasnt so much very quickly i realized it wasnt just a Police Incident because it was more the more Police Arrive in the resemblance is that even then some of the Police Officers of the town and out well like almost and through and Police Uniform with with guns and things that are so. I realize its quite serious people that there were in the basement or confusion people being moved out of the area and the people was in the scene. And then stabbing people and other people was in there was a bank robber who was very unclear what was happening the fast but then when um when he came in we see people being a quick little been taken away and then we saluted really serious of just here there that if people would update us that we believe that in the tent jamie can you describe the area way where you are at the moment and way you saw the incident take place we had been before that it was in a hotel could you give us a few more details. Yes so. In the main street is where im back at my my office no up just him but he insists i just want to be for that is to to buzz in is this this causing things i dont buy the tell you in is just out say twitter believe the hotel was we didnt know before theres a bank close to that which as we came to meet sense that we thought maybe there was a back road to going on and but then that the streets lit a very busy streets and its a set up a lot of the owners obviously just people stunted to go but to walk in offices and things was done to get president s ace and also his old boss is in charge of going to bed it was just knowledge to go in and so the priest was a little having a good place to take basically closer roads down and if people away from it as the camp has so many Police Officers so many and like police on it on the street as well very quickly and how long did all of this happen was it over a fast. Within the space and so the police started close and there was a thing in space maybe 510 minutes and they started closing the roads off and a few b. B. C. Stepped inside and simply said response that ive been from from all Different Directions and the just started moving people by the idea of it that it was clear that when the on disciplines people were under started to to be clear it was a it was something very serious because they want is going to come full force and the stubbins England School well the police this was obviously something that was it a lot more serious to them and you didnt you didnt say anything to do with the paper try to anything like that just the place you know are people that say that they had someone was show and by the other didnt feel that at the time it was just it was a lot of stories will come out some people even suggested it was an attempted kidnapping so it was thats how you see the stories will come to the table is a lot of confusion what was going on and guys who people dont tend to run away from a scene that tend to run it will get all the cameras or injury like phelim whats going on which is sometimes a shame because i know that theres no such as online people so again taken i mean stretchers and things that are and how do you think that i stank. Yeah ive sort of seen the the touches of people in the church was in the obvious of the most of the seventys attend to them and then return when members hes left obviously know that us thats where theyre going and so now weve just hear that people have died and theres a lot of confusion of over what we didnt think it was that serious at the time. Because for these mega Police Operation of if it was a bank robbery thats even less serious and people being killed so never saw. Something very serious that this went on and they were they had game weve had confirmation from the place saying that one man has been has been has been killed has been each eyes that i mean was it something the is it a particularly scary event how do you feel is it a shocking. I think you use. Your curiosity so it takes over as a setting large to weve got. Running towards scenes that we frank friends are going on. To a closed door so much shock and we headed down to see what what was going on also i mean if it if it came in and we needed to think that its not just that we wanted to trouble like people wanted people help us to john but this is quite clearly a scene that the police had take control of very quickly because by the time we had got there there was un alive done today the other was people be moved there there was people that worked all shocked about try to tell the story of what they seen and so one man was explaining to me that hes seeing the police that ive gone he said that is in the mind good show and in the guy had been and stubborn people. I intended the place as well jamie had to feel that the place that handle this. I think i mean the priests in the last few weeks and gods going to be active and saluted by protests in and even last night and one of the pops the police moved in that it moved every one of the polytech up to 10000 people to move them so the police had been so on the toes in the last few weeks so frank to be to deal with situation less obvious was a totally different type. Such a nation in us is a really dangerous situation for them an