Hello and welcome across the uk where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle is anyone safe in that era of the wrong conservatives are the platform the monetized and shadow ben those were the easy ones now the mob is turning on its own wrong thing demands conformity and does not bring a sense is freedom of speech now only for the walk. Theres got to this and more im joined by my guest David Freiheit in montreal hes a practicing attorney and you tube and in washington we crossed like ricos risk he is an adjunct professor of legislative politics at the George Washington university and the Health Care Law originally cost up close and i mean in germany. Ok lets go to david 1st in montreal very broadly speaking you know weve been seeing a lot of deep plot forming democratisation so the plot forming all kinds of things going on and we can talk about some of the specifics but is this a cultural revolution that we have a cause a cultural revolution or had. I dont know that its a cultural revolution is a is a loaded term its a big term i hear people using it i hear people comparing this to the french revolution so the fall of rome a lot of sort of i wont say exaggerated talk a lot of lofty talk whether or not its that serious theres definitely a pendulum swing and its definitely swinging very far to whichever side just to use example but its swinging hard to one side right now where people are getting punished i think excessively for what some would feel to be minor indiscretions but theyre always characterized as you know severe indiscretions that warrants cancellation on social media the platforming etc there are strong examples where its still even arguable but then there are strong examples where its totally not arguable but just a question of excessiveness but you know its a revolution its definitely a current a tendency and its the pendulum will swing back sooner than later because i can sort of get a feel for it from from the silent majority that nobody likes the way its going to be feel safe and its going to swing back the other day sooner than later yeah i wish people wouldnt be the silent majority i wish theyd be more talking we can talk about that here whether because same question to you is this a cultural revolution because a lot of a lot of lives have been destroyed here i thought we came from a culture of redemption and forgiveness ok i mean some of the infractions are just absurd ok and then to see in the Mainstream Media 247 mine intelligence and sense of morality is insulted all the time by a lot of neo liberal propaganda but that is thats just never touched us because its part of the normans part of the coals my friend in washington so i agree with david hicks that i dont think that this is a cultural revolution that i dare i say that if you were if we were to use that term cultural revolution then i think you know we have had moments. In history both in the states and globally where we have seen sort of these moments arising from the people so to speak but i think the retaliates is that there is a bit of an oppression of revisionist history and theres a fine line between intimidation public shaming you know economic rowing to. 2 words that are being placed in the Public Square versus the cancer culture and that is currently what we have particularly i think almost bill sides right so its not just liberal such as conservatives i think both sides are are contributing to this that where we are seeing it particularly from the Progressive Left is this rise of a question of revisionist history and so i think its calling really to the stage but issues and histories we have not faced up to our own up to and a past where were also seeing this on the right even if we look at settling we know that we have conservative right wing conservative leaders that are bialek across across the world and so there is polarization on both sides said i think that we have to ethnic we have a conversation and bring that conversation to the Public Square and its late but soon after midnight there already is silence where is the Public Square where is the marketplace of ideas because if the destruction of statues destroying memorials thats not a conversation is it now its not a conversation i think that we need to talk i am i was a trained historian and then you know what i focused in on it but mostly it was history ill give you the philosophy of history exactly what were talking about right here but you dont go burn books and have people fired if you want to really understand or reinterpret history thats a healthy thing here david you know go ahead and jump in on that because i am it to my core fascinated to have conversations particularly with people that disagree with me because i. Learn to hit i mean i mean i obviously totally agree with that i have a Youtube Channel where we touch on you know political stuff from the legal sense and i dont delete comments i dont deter discussion to the extent to remain civil and nonviolence that the tearing down statues is an interesting thing or lets call it the removal of statues to avoid slanted toward a better deal if you hear a noise in the back and my dog ive got really dont worry about it there and. Its something i think its totally counterproductive to to remove the statues its sort of the orwellian memory hole in that age you dont learn anything from history because you tend to forget it but b. And this is my major point right sort of take flak from from the right to some extent is the statues were not directed to celebrate the flaws of the individual they were erected to celebrate the successes or at the very least the defining actually of the individual and so bring that to the the George Floyd Protests where you have people the same people by and large tearing down statues because of the bad things the person did but directing murals because for george floyd because of the way he died and i say i agree with the murals because youre not arresting a mural to george floyd to celebrate his flaws or his wrongdoings in the past youre wrecking it to celebrate what he represents now and thats that holds true for the statue and so youve taken down 8 you have no longer a discussion about what they are the bad things that they have may have committed and throughout history you you lose that debate and you also lose the history of what they did in fact contribute to the very society in which lets yeah i think were going to see i mean it again going to stay with the statues here i mean the most horrific period in American History was the civil war and i really want every generation to know that because that was the defining moment of what made the country we have now and the. After the war particularly the south that was imperfect and that and thats an understatement ok but that its a learning experience and you know and i am agreement. Even here i mean so many people think of history as something to celebrate actually its something to ponder and think about the mistakes that have been made in the problems that need to be a result of this day but because well peter let me ask you do you believe in ghosts because i do ghosts we know are meant to disturb we know that ghosts are meant to disrupt a nerve and to hot relief and hayden said something i think thats particularly germane to this conversation he said the only thing we learned from history is that we were nothing for fish and so memory is a classic street in memory if history are not the same and so theres a and theres a National Memory at least in the states of the ghosts of yesteryear that have somehow it again emerged in 2020 writes a memory of an america that was great a memory of america that was not troubled by people who looked like me and had my hair style as it were seen really other girls of the days of the women that are rearing their ugly head again and i dont necessarily agree with the removal of statues understand why people are caring for statues so if youre going to have a civil war talk about the civil war we dont need a monument to do that that is why we have textbooks if you free books but if you are going to tear down dont work remove these monuments that i do say you wrecked new monuments and statues to people who are who have contributed to all of humanity should give individual statues. And youre diverse you would need to have a consensus about that person and the date of the act if that person committed in the past ok im all for that ok but you cant cant you shouldnt cancel out things that make you feel uncomfortable history is not about feeling comfortable histories about learning something david every single culture. Creates miss about themselves ok because it brings together a society gives them common meaning and i think that a well deeply the civil the the civil war the Civil Rights Movement those are those are defining moments in American History and if you take the physical culture and dispense with it i dont think books and receipt memory is enough i think its physical culture is very important that well very 1st of all its only a matter of time once you answer im not even calling it a slippery slope anymore it is affected we have free fall once you accept that you can willy nilly or even at large remove monuments it is only a matter of time before you censor books before you before you pull them from the book shelves like weve seen in hong kong its only a matter of time because thats invariably where it goes when i sort of i dont take issue with it i think its the wrong perspective to say that we have to tear down certain monuments in order to erect others at the into the city of who to whom we pay tribute doesnt require the removal of things which have been for hundreds of years which are part of someone elses history some person elses lore and the counterintuitive aspect about it is if the entire goal of this is unity and sort of bringing together society youre not going to do that by. Literally tearing down someone elses history regardless of whether or not you take offense with that history and soak it in dividing society more by taking down these monuments which been up for hundreds of years sometimes as opposed to lets just lets you know lets change the money lets put another face on the money like weve done in canada lets a rectum one of your lets lets lets be more inclusive not by eliminating but by adding and i think at the end at the end of the day its absolutely going to produce the exact opposite reaction to this action whether it is if you work at the George Washington university should it be renamed. Eyes. I think in some cases they do but im asking it the reason im asking is because its the thats the the ultimate conclusion i mean if this is continued to be pursued then washington jefferson the whole lot of them have to go i mean where do you draw the line right you draw the line in telling the truth history memory again are not the same but they are related you need very good constitution is written in this country and when it comes to history in the states for that matter we have to tell the truth and that i think its part of the problem here is that were not telling the truth about a lot of a lot of people who these monuments and the statues are ready to yes George Washington was a great man he was founder he was one of the Founding Fathers of america he was our 1st president under our current structure but he also was a slaveholder right that is often left out of the huge st George Washington so to your question so the University Changes say absolutely not i dont necessarily think that it should but what we should do is tell the complete florida history and well the reasons why we still have the terrible Race Relations in the states is because we have not told the true history we like to hide we like to have a revisionist history a sort of telling a fool and i think using a better way to truth about what happened to these individuals and what they stood again i think thats fair enough but i dont think its a secret that the theyve many of the Founding Fathers had were slave owners i mean i grew up i was brought up in the Public School system i knew that and it was it was the reason why it was pointed out because our current sensibility tells us its very very wrong but if we. Were going to break that 10 seconds i interrupt week we still have textbooks in the state of texas that are teaching students that a civil war was not an issue of slavery that was an issue of states rights well thats simply gone right gentlemen im going to jump in here were going to go to a short break and after national or. Well continue our discussion all day. We go to work for you straight home. During the vietnam war u. S. Forces also bombs in neighboring laos it was a secret war. And for years the American People did not know. How much anticipation mounts every back country per capita all Human History millions of unexploded bombs still in danger lives in this Small Agricultural country Jordyn Wieber. Even today kids in laos full victims of bombs dropped decades ago is the u. S. Making amends for that tragedy and what help to the people need in that little land on. Welcome back to cross the we are all things are considered im here labelle to remind you were discussing wrong things. Ok lets go back to david you know we had last few days very wise. Up and energy are over at the new york times. And she left with a. Very strident Resignation Letter and all and shes getting some praise i dont praise her i think shes part of this problem of this cancel culture and this very strident partisan. Media environment that attacks you basically your character is destroyed because you have a different political view and it seems to me that shes the platform because the mob was coming after her and she knew when to get out how do you feel about it is the revolution itself in the area police and people tend and this is where i see the pendulum is going to swing when people say hey but i like that person or he but that person was actually nice i know that i was reading an article i will not remember the name of it but as a left wing the left wing writer saying that but this individual that theyre now accusing of racism i dont personally is not racists and thats invariably when people start to realize its easy to pick on the characterized individuals like alex jones like miley not list its easy to pick on them but then when it becomes i see more nuance for others then people start realizing where does this end and they realize its not going to end ever and they will invariably find themselves in the proverbial guillotine because of something that they tweeted a while back or because they no longer a son has the right to lease or they dont assault the right police hard enough. And yet its all a system and i think people even on the left are realizing it and say i dont like categorizing less than the right on this and i do tend to equivocate it but people say well its much more on the left and on the right and that is true only because the media by and large is massively leftist compared to what is what is there right its on both sides its just massively more on the left and now the left is targeting their own alyssum allow knows the leftist some twitter they and theyre going to do something that gets them into trouble and then people realize this is going to you know that wind its go back to washington i mean im he see no value in these purity teta tests whatsoever. Because who is actually peer and who differ who determines what is purity i mean if this is a fools errand its very very destructive and unfortunately unfortunately i actually pride myself on not mentioning the president s name in this a my program because everything is about trump which i think its not and i think thats the problem here the problem is always invoking the bad orange man which distorts everything and you know again going to this bar and rice me she just needs her everything from said the administrations that he shes against ok thats not very nuance and not very intelligent is not very great i go ahead peter i think you said something thats really important here is not very nuanced right people in our society unfortunately whether its the right or left they dont like complexity they dont like the great area they dont like new arts and just this gets to an issue with that and the human condition generally speaking and that is human frailty we dont understand human frailty right comp short and so we have to be very careful whether it is the right or the left about our past and how they sort of emerged and how their helmets to those standards just speak out in the wrong way is violence and not to speak out its violence but we have to be very clear on what that definition of silence is and what that means the reality is a lot of the lives that we live particularly in the Public Square and in the political environment is great its nuance its complex its messy and we have to get into that messiness we have to delve in that new wants to really understand the complexity of individuals as we should not beat kathleen now unless of course the words are surely inflammatory or truly violent but thats not the case then we need to let people be human and that is you mate. Ok look you know you david but again who determines the rules this is what really bothers me all of the time because you know you said you dont like these labels and i dont either i consider myself a conservative but it doesnt mean im against universal healthcare for example ok because my conservatism comes from looking at the interests and needs working people and families thats where my conservatism is all about i dont worship capitalism thats the ideology ok l. A. And always this invoking that socialism with the right always does right doesnt really know what socialism is all about they invoke it in a way they try hard on people. This is again going back to these purity test here is that if you have to be in a certain category and if you deviate and this happens also on the right but primarily i see it on the left they didnt then your challenge didnt sometimes cancel. The purity test its a symptom of social media were talking about nuance and ive always made t