A news briefing. Following a shooting outside the white house president praises the secret Services Response with a senior official adding the shooter is now in custody. And reportedly tells the u. K. Its happy to help stop the increasing flow of moderates crossing. As long as. The cause report is coming away just when i mean well be here to bring you the latest global News Headlines see you back. Welcome to kaiser report Summer Solutions we have an exciting guest to talk about solutions you know during the year we talk about all those crazy problems out there and then during the summer we hit you with solutions thats right so lucians and today were going to be talking with o. B. No sue of coin floor. U. K. Stacy yes welcome to the show and we thank you everybody guys so 1st i want to go a little bit into a story here in america i know year british via your family came from nigeria my family came from finland and ireland here max is from germany in scotland so everybody of course around the world has basically their families travel around the world but right now in america we have a situation post George Floyd Murder where. That has spread globally that there is this global insurrection against banker aka occupation max might say and i think thats right because i think yes there is institutional racism very much in america we have a long complicated history obviously with african descendants in america but in terms of whats happening here and how to how to get past this how to start with some sort of clean slate where we all can actually be equal on one Playing Field here in North Carolina where max and i live weve just had a situation in this headline here in historic move asheville approves of reparations for black residents in an extraordinary move the city council has apologized for the citys historic role in slavery discrimination a denial of basic liberties to black residents and voted to provide reparations to them and their descendant apparently it wont be like a direct paying. Net but it will be basically a restructuring of how the local economy works where theyll push more. You know theyll make out force the past injustices by redirecting some of the allocated capital and things like that what i dont you know youre youre not part of the american scene but what do you think of how to reason do what reparations within the system just maintain mess us down or do you think what do you think reparations thats radio interesting as and as you have stated im not american so. Im not as close to it as some people i know but ive talked to many other people that youve had on your show previously. Like. Big queens a and and i was. The character as well but its really interesting weve seen this rodeo before i mean way back a car remember the names of president s because we dont know whats required to learn them but i do know that. There were discussions with the previous president about reparations and there was the i did of it and correct me if im wrong but the idea of every american slave whod spent their entire life and do so that the sentence is high life for a number of over the several 100 is would be given a set amount of land that he was 40 acres and a 100. 00 i believe and that was all that was off the us what was needed and they were they were offered that now given that the holding of stores of you is the the number one superpower of people are privileged and fumbled in their ability to study that ability to inherit intelligence or well smarts by many studies that basically they have been a teacher just be lucky enough to. Appreciating assets. All the slaves offer was this land and it was offered and then unfortunately. The president who decided to greece this was was shot a few a few short while afterwards so id be very worried for anybody who was wanting to put in a similar policy. In the us if they tried to do it in modern days from what youre saying it sounds very very light touch and doesnt involve giving People Stores of value and therefore its not really valuable is focusing on the works when we all know that its the stores of value that the differences between the printers and the on the privilege will get into that star value as 2nd so its a fair to say based on your were writing and your interviews he believe the system is best play completely broken that preparations us just really lipservice for many things and tried many times before never really comes through and youre thinking and believing instead to just exit the system and start completely no how would this work i think is pretty fair to say that i mean. I grew up in in Central London and as a country the u. K. Is i think on the scale especially london is a is a very Tolerant Society missing incredibly its a cultural melting flow is very multicultural. But even then i had scenarios where i was playing on the street as a kid and being spat sat by people whose would stop in the in the traffic at the lights because i grew up in a kind of the states which is i dont know how you describe it in the us but its like the projects its a low income parts of london. And you know we play in the spats that that was not an unusual thing to happen i experience various forms of discrimination through my life. Even when i was working in very Large Organizations i could see the differences were people who it work hospice not just me would get to i would still have to work twice as much twice as hard to get to the same level and thats that thats fine thats thats not a problem but being who i was i was i did feel that this was a problem for not just me but for society and the reason its a problem for society is that. Ultimately we want the society to reach its ultimate potential as quickly as possible and anything that stops you from doing that is some optimal so do logically the best people to work on any given task should be the best people in the world now lets take an example of a space ship if i want to go to the nars like. Musk here right now can only employ people who are in the us. He would like to employ the best people in the world and logically its unlikely that the best people to build rocket ships are not all in the us i mean i could be wrong but its probably the case and not all in the u. S. So therefore the any rookie he makes to go to mars will get slower it will likely have more risk have more issues because he hasnt got the best people in the job so the entire world he and therefore by accident i will loses out from any form of discrimination that isnt based on free things it isnt based on someones work ethic the quality of their faults and the quality of the argumentation you should discriminate on those things but anything else you shouldnt do and as long as he exists in a world where thats possible. We will always be with have a challenge and therefore i think that the current wont really exist and the situation is broken from as i would like to say and the only way to settle with exit the system not for into outer space you know must go into cyberspace and you write about a purely american craddocks testim and how do you get to the purely american crowd excess them and you suggest that cyberspace is the place to do it and you also write about how anonymity is very important to this pair meritocracy because when you say adopt an avatar in cyberspace in Virtual Reality the expectations for everyone in that are different than what weve been used to because they are now interacting in America Craddock way because they dont really know they cant see the person on the other end can you elaborate on us to give you some background. Was building free to Computer Games in the eightys and in the ninetys built one of the. Online multiplayer virtual. School metropolis and then in the eights in the north seas. Built one of the fellows as part of the scene of one of the 1st massively Multiplayer Online role playing games and we actually created a Virtual Currency could we put it this was before big cooking 50000000 uses. And so this is a Long Time Coming we its so someone whos been in that space its been very clear that this is the future of insurrection we are creating a new world and just like the explorers in the settlers when they felt that the old world was there with no opportunity for them decided to go to the us to canada they decide its exits and go somewhere else and the cook asian. Old well that is and new zealand and australia now i think every place on the planet says. If it should be populated most of the shoots you take and the only place to go is either outer space which will take decades and this is the kind of stealing for example i think far more interesting and family she was going into cyberspace this is new virtual building and thats where i think well produce use so in cyberspace of course we have additional money called big queen and big queen is on confiscated ball and that is one thing about starting from you know scratch because after the civil war in america for example as you talked about previously enslaved people were given 40 acres and a mule and some money and actually the black American Population did extremely well so well that it all got burned down so wall street in tulsa oklahoma there was a black wall street and durham North Carolina there was a hugely successful North Carolina city called wilmington North Carolina which was black run they were elected to office they ran all the newspapers they were super successful. Poor white people got angry and burned it down here we have your saying so Artificial IntelligenceVirtual Reality you can be and look like whoever you want to be right. And you have an unconscious capable money so. As we head out into the break you know pitch your story about how that all comes together to create and a true meritocracy yeah i mean. I think you gave the i know the example of the black wall street in tulsa but ultimately if you form a group and youre still identifiable there is a risk that people can identify you and therefore try to attack that. In an insider space from day one we are taught that the way you look doesnt matter in fact from every computer game he played you you take on the persona of someone else so in cyberspace the norm is to not look like yourself. And so when were building these virtual is what would happen is originally everybody would look like white males and white females in perfect physical condition all 6 foot 2 if there were guys and all that went away and met 55. 00 and and then after a year everybody would realise a bit like the incredibles where if everybody was sleeping no one it was really boring for everybody sort of the same and so therefore they started to look like and you now see it and in current day virtually they look that theyre not limited by the imagination that they very even try to look human they try to look like working on the hot dogs or whatever it is they try to express that in a idea that what is there and what isnt imagination and so that the identity goes out the window they then she cites to discrimination i think is a natural state of humankinds so they then decide to discriminate on other things and so you start seeing people say things like i can hear from your accent youre from the us or youre from the u. K. And people with american accents tend to congregate some people in the us that sense but theres technology thats working to deal with accent concealments as well because was really clear is if you remove the things that thats not really good mechanisms to discriminate or you have left things that are good mechanisms and as you say as you as you as you notice in the spaces you see people who. Really interesting really charismatic really eloquent they rise to the top and thats the society we want we want a society that we can work the hardest who is able to deliver the most an able to meld. The minds of mens towards a direction which we believe he can best society wow im ready to migrate to cyberspace they are going to take a break when they come back why would be no so dont go away. My no team no crowd. No shots. Actually dealt. With well. No small. Points your thirst for action. The world is driven by a dream shaped by one person of those. Who dares thinks. We dare to ask. Welcome back to kaiser report Summer Solutions are right where chatting with the no assume hes the c. E. O. Theyre calling for dot co dot u. K. O. Before the break we were talking about how racism seems to be hard coded in our d. N. A. Its almost an instinctive human trait and all solutions seem to have failed including reparations and the idea of us going into cyberspace and achieving a true meritocracy by shedding all of our biases and prejudices and getting into Something Different now some would say oh you know what youre going to lose some of your. Hope to gain the meritocracy youre going to lose some of your authenticity however what yours what youre suggesting is that with with this idea of migrating to cyberspace we are actually potentially going to find our true worse as a kind of our deeper selves so its very profound very philosophical and this is all about Summer Solutions but i mean this is an interesting concept and maybe just give it another minute or 2 to dig into that a little bit id like to be a doer of saving. Peoples views around race. I think its we want to get to wode where you can explore this in the u. S book whites male female. Over any religion and and no have any fear of being able to do that. I do think when it comes to feelings that you can view visually. Be tried and tested approach to dealing with is money. And if you look at lets take again i am not jewish but jewish people from my perception receive a lot and have historically received a lot of prejudice throughout many many many centuries. However right now it doesnt seem to affect them as much as effects but people and the difference is that they have money and there was a song the rap song and then in the ninetys because i was very interested in rap called money power respect and its very simple if you have money you can buy power by media power and you can buy political power and media power and political power you can then change peoples views and gain respect you can change you can lobby and governments and you can change the media message to counteract incorrect messages with the correct message another time most people then see that and be be affected by that what they post and say and their views will change but 1st you have to get money and in a world where. Its not meritocratic it may be difficult for you to get to that point so not only does go into cyberspace and that civilly allow you to express or in a year it also is a far more meritocratic well because you in this world your identity doesnt matter all that matters is your capability and the reality is there is a lot of people of every background who are pretty capable so over time the best people in the world will move up to the top and they will come from all backgrounds and they would generate money and with that money they can change the perception if it is negative of whatever background in focus of the perception of women at the perception of black people perception of being not not able bodied whatever it may be these can be corrected by the subset of people who have a vested interest in change that perception who now also have the capital to change it so it will bennett. Fit both the physical world and the nonphysical i want to ask though about this post real world i r l is no longer existing were all in cyberspace there is the legacy of basically we live in a society and an economy of that of can tell you naris you know the Central Bank Still exists and it printed money and i think this is what is coming to a head right now its i think you know the fact that since 1971 weve been on a u. S. Dollar standard no attachment to anything like gold or anything and so whoever had all the assets then which were mostly white men in america and they had all the assets they own the assets and everybody else kind of was left behind because of that like there was just a recent data out of the u. S. Fed that showed that black americans have have their back to basically 1968 in terms of where they are and in terms of the percentage of wealth of this economy like how how can we restart unless we end totally this can tell in effect life is a game and. Be the game thats most apes is this game of monopoly and i thought of this idea that wouldnt be great if every every so often in life just like in the game it gets reset. And it turns out a friend of mine who is you know. Very very well read especially in that is text so this is not a new idea in fact in the Old Testament they have an idea called do you believe that every i believe is every 49 years maybe 50 is some people argue is 49 to 50 everybodys debts would be forgiven if you look at socorro you saw yourself into slavery youd be forgiven and you would and the land you had would be given back to you is the effectively the physical world equivalent of playing monopoly and at the end. You get reset and so unfortunately thats not able to happen it doesnt happen anymore it doesnt happen in the physical well but. In the Virtual World i believe what will happen is over time people are no good at holding on to their value if they dont have access to a inflationary money where they can affect somebody take advantage of friends to constantly replace any wealth they leased through bad economical Business Decisions they will eventually lose wealth and you only end up at the top with the best people and the opportunity to rise at the top becomes equal for everybody carson operates get analogy what ive noticed and the american system of a not play when blacks are all the die thing that somehow is going to present and land the white rather die thank pascal and collect 2 100. 00. So thats how its played in this country but you know you so you make the point that money is the basis of power in achieving money and getting money its i call it Interest Rate apartheid where if youre not if youre a friend of Goldman Sachs your cos