Congress and the in action of a president the people that have the most money are protected and now we have this horrific death of george lloyd which i think it was very i was very pleased that there was a universal virtually universal reaction to this this is this was an atrocity but that seems so long ago when we think of the of the riots and continued protests and the actions of the president here but the messages are always on race and i think thats misguided because at the end of the day this is a class issue it always is a class go ahead. You know in the in the u. S. Race determine what class one is in we can theres no clean dividing line in this country and floyds death is something that happens every day to a black person by the way every day to 3 people in this country an average of 3 People Killed by the police. And racism is a big part of that so this story begins with racism and the racism thats practiced all the time mostly against black people but i think the reaction to it as you say they were both in was universal and i think the protests obviously were sparked by his killing but i think they are sustained and growing because of anger about many things in this country people are suffering people are struggling it is something that is almost for been to talk about its not an issue in politics the Corporate Media doesnt say anything about it we already had an economy that was not doing as well as we were told when we speak of jobs growth its low wage work its getting work its all its not anything that its not living wage were so people were already struggling and now more than 30000000 are unemployed as a result of the pandemic any shutdowns of the current teens so i think there are people who are angry about a lot and while the killing of this man was the spark and there would be im sure a reaction across the country but it has sustained in small mentum because of the insecurity that people feel and the anger they have which is rarely. Now in it because i mean as we spoke right before this recording is that you know i think all across the country obviously this was a catalyst theres no doubt about that ok. But you know there the phrase i cant breathe and i think that that that back goes across race because i think where the media does in the Political Classes they dont want to talk about the structural deficiencies of the economy why there are there are so many low paid jobs again for exam. Again this is a trick this went to the democrats why are so many cities so badly run and run down ok and taking responsibility for that is well so is jason i guess im going to tell you what i said in the introduction about systematic racism then does the. Race always trump a class in american politics. Well again you know i would echo everything that m. R. Who just said i think she said a very eloquently in terms of race and class intersect. Of course theres no question that there are poor white people and that you have outliers a well to do black people but i would also add when we connected to the rest of the scene i dont know a black man and i know poor black people i know working class in the middle class and i know very well to do black people and i dont know one africanamerican man who doesnt have a story about an encounter with the police so some of this actually does transcend class when i go out you know i generally im not wearing a shirt and tie and you know one would think i used that theyve you know i would age out of certain encounters with the police and you know in my early fortys and you see george ford was 46 walter scott was in his fiftys so again this is something that for black men seems to transcend age it seems to transcend class so i think a lot of people. You know when they saw george floyd they saw their fathers you know women you know washing say women i should say partners saw their partners their husbands in george floyd and we cant forget that these are things are happening to black women as well with Briana Taylor and you know many of the other cases of black women who have suffered at the hands of police so i think that while we can talk. Talk about the class impact of course theres been a serious impact more working class communities and while we talk about george floyd we shouldnt necessarily think that these are the George Floyd Protests these george floyd was just the straw that broke the camels back if you look at what the police were doing in york city they were going around during this pandemic and in the village and in the wealthy white or areas they were handed out masks you know when you went you know north of 96th street into you know upper manhattan and into the rocks they were punching people in the face so i think a lot of people you know in arresting them so i think there was an explosion that was going to happen. And you know you can talk also you mention the democratic control of cities and i think that you know there is a valid point that you know some democrats have failed in their management of cities however and a lot of the cities mayors are blacks its me think its be very transparent but then in some cases even the Police Chiefs are black but what im saying is a lot of this is systemic and when you have a system it doesnt necessarily White Supremacy a systemic so you dont necessarily its not about whos at the head of the system and in addition the state like i live of course in the Baltimore Area but the state is run by a republican it was pretty. Funded it depend on the state when we are up in the senate races and we go to market right now and then if we get in if its so literally black and white a lot about broken americans participate in the political process in this systematic racism i mean you know Police Chiefs and counselors and all kinds of things like this and then they need they need then it becomes very political because when you have i think in the state of washington you know its basically its ok to write its ok to. Destroy property but not much and in a certain level i think all of us kind of agree with that but if you destroying property of a person of color then started a business its their whole life its that you know thats it and then it goes right back to an economic issue go ahead yeah well theres you know the Political Leadership though are established and even the black mayors the democrat here in new york city mayoral bill de blasio liberal mayor. But they often go back on the same pro status meant troops when Something Like this happened so over the weekend too there were 2 incidents of Police Vehicles driving into a crowd of protesters and the blasio he backtracked later but a 1st he descended the police he said if youre Tech Research attacking everyone. He made statements in favor of them in the police chase him despite all his genuflecting thats another issue but most of these mayors are pro establishment and they work within the system that the larger system that as we just talked about doesnt work for anybody so they and the do i believe republicans and democrats that also is not always not such a clean dividing line. As he has gotten in trouble for taking Campaign Money from anybody from everybody so we see in new york politicians like our mayor bill de blasio who markets themselves as a liberal that was his whole Campaign Slogan the tale of 2 cities he was going to do better for working people in so forth he made a big deal about having an interracial family but when this demonstration started he turned into the stems from an hour titian again very pro police even after police broke into a crowd 2 instances of that he defended them then he had to backtrack now the. The curfew. Last night she had a curfew in new york you have to be inside the 888 pm where we can be arrested so a lot of these labels. Democratic politicians are not any thing that we can see in this really lets talk about labels here jason what is the difference between prospects of protesting and rioting and looting because i see the liberal media really you know its. Basically peaceful protesting but then theres tons of footage of extreme violence and looting and destruction and me it seems to me that theyre trying to invent language in a normal well in ways that basically everythings fine and everyones just doing what theyre doing now you cant ever get responsibility had were not i think that there we definitely need to draw a distinction between destruction of property and violence. The president named for example when his were proper marks him into violent altercations and one where he said that this man had been beaten within an inch of his life. But neglects to say is that that man ran out into the middle of the street with a samurai sward you know and got beat up and you know while thats a tragic encounter its not this you know helpless person or this person just standing in front of their business he went out he engaged the protesters with a weapon. And you know caught them you know the short end of the stick. I do think that there is a difference between you know an uprising which is whenever there is an oppressive authoritarian force and people have a political response to that whether its organized or disorganized that is an uprising thats little. Really the definition of a not right when you look at whats happening for many people and thats not all of the people who are out there because there are some people who are doing this for their own purposes but the majority other people who are out there are i mean even the ones who are engaging in destruction of property are carrying out an uprising ok not to theyre going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on race and class. L. Look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. 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Mother let me go back to you i mean we were talking about in the 1st part of the program the difference between protesting in writing and there are so many different motives people me out i mean i dont think people are thinking and i hope people werent you mr floyd when they were stealing night he shoots ok i hope thats not what i had i have to agree with jason when hes talking about uprising but then again that means something to different people. All is well ok and what i think one of the saddest things thats poisoned our politics as it all busts and i think the media does this too is we have preconceived ideas about other people about weight where theyre from way they look and this is kind of neat jerk reaction and you know what it is is fear on all sides and i think that is whats really sad here and i will not back away that this is a class issue because there is so much pressure on the middle class the middle class is been decimated and whats really sad and i think this is actually proven is that since the Civil Rights Movement so many people of color were able to move into the middle class and how back great to be the dream that we all have about middle class america because it was a middle class country its no longer a middle class country it is an underclass and a very very small a small group of very powerful rich people that have congress in their pocket do you agree or disagree but lets absolutely true living wage work has been decimated in this country its something that black people depended upon to be able to buy homes and send their kids to college all of those markers that we think of as being middle class which is a kind of amorphous. Term but it makes you feel good president and makes you feel you thats your cause. But its the people at the top who you mentioned who are responsible for this destruction the finance capitalists decided that we didnt need to make anything in america anymore. And so these manufacturing jobs disappeared their whole portions of this country and a midwesterner by birth and. Yes every time i visit family in the midwest in ohio and other states it looks worse and worse and worse. And so now we have but its never acknowledged its never talked about. Politicians dont mention it because they rely on people who give them money they dont care the Corporate Media they dont care they are rather elite institutions they dont have any connections with working people they dont cover working people they need to have a labor beat anymore. So we have these people who are treated as if they dont exist and i also think that and its not uncommon actually for protest to begin over some very bright his issue people have well founded righteous indignation but it sets off a lot of emotions there people who. You know the knuckleheads for lack of a better term who will take advantage just because people are out into the streets and inspires. Positive a lot mostly positive i would say that a lot of negative too but i think we have to remember this all started with the great injustice and everyone should be working to stop the system that puts 2000000 people in jail george floyd was arrested because of a 20. 00 bill that was allegedly counterfeit that puts people in jail and americans love to talk about human rights everywhere else in the world but you cant have 2000000 people in jail and talk about human rights abuses everywhere else so i think there has to be a discussion about all of this all of these things that we talked about when people are needs are acknowledged i think. And wimpy institutions like the police are kept in check i think so much of what weve been discussing can be you know jason my money looting abhorrence and were to any and doing to macys fine they got their insurance theyre all covered ok its the smoggy businesses and its the moment that it and are breaking for me. But you know when people bring up the issue of looting i think about a different kind of looting ok i think about the looting of the middle class for 40 years ok and i really find it really rich when it comes to media figures and hollywood types of ok when they find on when theyre basically heartless thoughts in my opinion that they dont add any its all hurt you signally but you know the media it and i go back is it you know it its race race race race everythings races but you know what is it it hurts everyone when you have when you hollow out the middle class again the middle class in my mind is a place for all and thats where we find our great strength ok and when you follow that out it hurts everyone here and again the media covers this looting thats going on and were in this stimulus bailout just another huge transfer well upwards and now we have we basically have a civil war or a revolution against working people from the top down do you agree with that or not so i agree with that with many elements of what you said. First of all i do agree with some of these said earlier and that is that middle class is kind of the you know and maybe as margaret said it is more focus may not even exist i think it was the playwright August Wilson who said if you cant quit your job today and live at the same standard of living for 2 years then your core and you know i know me you know i you know i live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood but if i would have my Employment Today you know next month im scrambling you know to me 3 months you know probably out of my year so i think that there is. You know this this idea that theres this middle class and 80 percent of americans are as it is. 5 percent i believe of americans identify as middle class now i want to know less there are a lot of poor people because we demonize poverty itself that you know that theyre like im poor you know there was. A middle class there was a joke by. The great comedian eddie murphy where he talked about everybody was poor neighborhood but if you can afford it you got ice cream you know to me you know the other kids ruined your got ice cream your moms all welfare you know where they all lived in the same community you know i mean they are had pretty much the same Family Structure you know everybody was poor but because you couldnt afford ice cream that day you know all of a sudden you were somehow worse you know decent i lived in a Small Community outside of Denver Colorado and it was lily white but the same issue apply the same exact name apply right there margaret and mary ok in again you know losing your job poverty its a shameful element of American Culture here but you know you know if youre told you cant work you cant go to work you cant myrna living for yourself and your family then then again i criticize the structural deficiencies of the economy if youre telling people you cant go to work then you better