A disaster on the worst mistake that 20 blair ever meet. So was a so rallying call to scottish unionism or another, boris born us for Scottish Independence campaigners. This is how he defended his position, the Prime Ministers questions. I may say the whole season wont wake up our results. You will see this on the pro cheezy on the right to me for an alternative viewpoint, alex turns to former m. P. On m. S. P. Im presiding officer of the Scottish Parliament surcharge, and thats a charge read that bothers johnson demolitions a disaster of the worst mistake that tony blair ever made. What do you reckon really trying to connect . And of course, by saying it was really a jolly good st. Apart from when the people of scotland heard it or not, party committed to independence. I think the damage is done. You can see that, for example, letter in the times the other may saying the biggest disaster since the 2nd world war. Well, some claim when you taken the sewers and invention, poll tax the iran war and so on. But what really concerns me alex is on the no longer work in conflict resolution as International Zone servant. And later since mark come up, where we with the full backing of the form of assad been pushing these constant evolution model as a means to end conflict, set up local control of affairs and see where it goes to. Opponents will suddenly same are wired. Doing that because the british Prime Minister has made it clear. Its a disaster. Our mission dont think its a disaster. So we have a contrast between the Prime Ministers somewhat sketchy knowledge, perhaps of the of the goings on in the parliament and her majesty the queen, who all was surprised observer selling myself a big perhaps even yourself that when she addressed the parliament, she seemed to have done a fair amount of homework, which was quite impressive. Well, the inventor elements coming from early isnt a great secret. The tend to go backwards and forwards between the parlors and the presiding officers office, a member on a confidential basis, and maybe only just to learn how long some of these speeches, though, are what she should offer to help the Prime Minister about going to some a vase, but whats the reaction in scotland been to the, the Prime Ministers attack when he says, look, he was really attacking the s. M. P. Wasnt really attacking the, the concept of devolution. After all, he was a spectacularly successful mayor of london and by his own rights. Isnt that a point there that youre really was just making a political attack . Theres been a wee bit twisted out of perspective. Well, i know of use only distinguished turk columnist to serve the problem of boriss, he suffers from verbal incontinence. And he was speaking to a small group of breaks in minded tory members from the north. He shouldnt have said that the feeling in scotland is, i think fairly, i write and politically it was very strange because there is detail polling and analysis of the stocks public and only m. R. 7 percent, 8 percent. Want to see the parliament done away with. So its not terribly good politics to caucus sites or a minuscule group where one starts on burma. Its like parliament. They like a sense of this isnt making, you know, member there for better or for International Audience that this phrase i write that the scots were thinking. What exactly does that mean . So just really were listening to you. Theyre only thinking elsewhere though, listen, the i seem to remember that some walter scott said that scots like to have a parliament because they can fling chuckies stains at the parliamentarians as a in essence and where a Parliament May get criticized. But that doesnt mean that its not held in the affection of the people. It just means a like some because to criticize well, the oldest one reference of courses through the writing of the parliament where members are to walk through drews treats of unburned on a royal mile. And the people dont like the stones of them. I had a very real hound and bring me that tradition back regular. If you look at the sun and record of achievement of the Scottish Parliament, it really is quite positive. And again i give it a merit like my comics. Weve heard free personal care. We have no fees at universities. Weve had care for people who are disabled or learning difficulties. Weve are marginal record of land reform where the people of this country can start buying that land back. Weve heard a ban on smoking before anybody else. We have excellent record of human rights. I could go on and on. These are solid, practical achievements and the mood of scotland, which going back to both of the Opening Ceremony on be opening of the road, emphasised the a gun and in nature of Scott Society which goes right through the professional classes on my own them as well as the people at large, theres a feeling that something more of Scandinavian Scandinavian social democracy is perhaps where scotland finds itself comfortable. And i think over 20 years theres been very solid progress towards being a more scandinavian social democratic scotland. And a deeper level. The panelist, the might have a point because given, if we accept that the Prime Minister blairs motivation for having a reconvening of the Scots Parliament was to stop in the pan. This was to stop the s. N. P. To kill the s. N. P. Stone dead as one of his cabinet ministers put it as the ball is just and right to be a bit, a bit meth that, that hasnt succeeded. That was really a disaster in the sense and the fulfill tony blairs objectives for it. Well, your remember, well, i center the conference were drawn from a summit, is dead remark only 3 words her of her of her ive always been of groundedness persuasion. I dont like, great moment. I was always very clear as was my great colleague, new mccormick, of the professor of law at the university of edinburgh who wrote the constitution for a new scotland. I was almost clear. We did taken steps. You can have a glade moment forward from nothing and then independent state owned. It isnt surprising at the end of the day, its the people of scotland who decide if they dont like the move towards independence, then they can go otherwise. The real problem and the real challenge, of course, is that a country is that more or less 5050. 00 1 has to make sure if ones talking about new countries, the, theres a general understanding general support for the pleasure of information before you go forward. I was struck by the fight, that was johnson when he was explaining, as the march said, well, of course im a big devilishness that i was, i was mayor of london for 2 taverns or stop the no dice that by the vote. Im the very obvious point in the london a capital a great capital because a country and therefore it was seeing the interest in the Prime Minister didnt appreciate the difference between being the mayor of a capital city important know that and the liers and being the they 1st minister of a country is not a speaks volumes for the Prime Ministers attitude. The london leads off the centralism of london, the concentration of resources and mom. And of course, in that respect that many of the grains you hear from scotland are perfectly reasonably articulated. These days from the north of england and the midlands or bring them in search of british drama. But you know, the problem is much bigger than that. I think the liberty state as presently our spirit is largely broken. After braggs it, no, there is no great appetite, i think, drive the whole of the u. K. United kingdom, to engage in a bowl buccaneering britain. You know, as it says on the british passport to let america possibly the lead car and runs through president , cries my european friends. Look at that and say, hey, who do you think you are . Rex and of course bro, saddam, who to 2000 is almost to remain in the European Union is frankly a major turning point in my view here in the future of the british stake, a finalist such as theyve been, youve sat in the chair of the Scots Parliament, have been a member of parliament, a west mostly been m. S. P. And hollywood, where we go from here. Whats going to happen . I bought us johnson all know. But i think everything in scotland depends on the outcome of this hellish elections in may next year. If the polls are right there will be of a large majority for independents, that may be the scotia national party, having an absolute majority or, and maybe the Scottish National party, backed by the greens, having a majority in a friendly its about democracy. If it is, if the Prime Minister in westminster simply says no, then i suppose there is a 1st step, a reference to the courts and stop them then reference to the supreme court. And well see where we get to. But as i say, like most my most commentators these days, posit, misses the spot, is clearly on route to independence. So let me just make a final point here. Ive never believed in federation. I do the foundations work. If youve got england making up over 80 percent of the land mass of population of the united kingdom. But i have believed in common federation where scotland is an equal partner in coming to common decisions. And i think curious that if you could come to a situation where scotland is independent only to quite freely admit zone will agree. And a whole series of common agreements on travel on work on culture, on overseas representation. But to do serve from the position of only we decide something rather can do the knowledge of union or the benelux. So just leave the former presiding officer of the scots bomb and thank you for joining me. And theyll examine, show and happy santanders there. This coming monday to hear her join us after the break, when we find out just how you think and you became the paid to think of a country, he had never even visited joy, nothing worse than what by recommending what i call the life or yours will pull you out of a good obit and to muslims. And what about and i didnt do it will always be good. Is it also or know when to hold on a politician keep it or dont or dont let you. People come up to the group on usenet about the how i live and im mad at them and the money is a number one, but 0 november bit of icing. I give them that. I dont know what about it, but ill be all means has it. And is about was abundant, make no, certainly no borders just lying to nationalities. A summary. We dont look like seem to be saying the judges commentary prices. So what is the sentence and a lot of times we can do better, we should be doing better. Everyone is contributing, its your own way, but we also know the this crisis will not go on forever. The challenges created with the response has been masked. So many good people are helping us. It makes us feel very proud that we are in it together. Welcome back. The saltire isnt much use these days. With this collins man fishbowl team, enjoying a resurgence and independence campaigner thinking to take to the streets again. By telling exactly did it become the flag of scotland . Alex speaks to david williamson, chair of the scottish flag. Trust an author and broadcaster barely keep their timing too far. They volume said the century bottle. The origins of the the salt i was a National Flag, a skull that scotlands national same. Tell us about that. Well, there are all relates to the battle, the battle in the 2 in the slowly and the story has it that the scots and picks it was a joint army, had been punitive read into of somebody and they were returning with their booty and they were being chased by a bunch of angles and saxons under a one called us. And they were caught surrounded just to the north of the present, a village about hosting for dinner. If you have the worse, the thought, the thought that all was lost and the story has it, that its there, prayed for deliverance, and it was rewarded by a white cross. The cross of which of course said that had been martyred, appearing in the blue sky above the fighting, and he was inspired. His troops were inspired. They won the day and angus voted that having secured the victory that he would make sense to the patron and assault the flag and that, and thats the story that we tell this to dear ethels input. But they were into this mess, cut out the fallen chairman, is that what actually happened back in the 52 or is that going to be them broida later on to justify the, the patron saint under flight . Well, of course, theres no written evidence documentation from the one sent to the pic to speed in scotland. There is nothing but what we do have in terms of evidence is all the airlie mediaval. There are writers from birth to be a major lesley to disport it would but half a dozen of them, they all are fair to the event. I think the evidence is very clear. And stanley, the, there isnt even any record that we found a lot and transcript and it refers to the battle under the fair to the, the participants, angus, and the apples. And i think theres a great deal of documentation to support it. Like a, how important was the deal to start when the managing from the dark ages into their limited will period to claim this patron saint and indeed to claim a National Symbol in the flight . Well, the declaration of a proof is one of the 1st declarations of National Sovereignty. And then it twitter fan to mythic autogenic in giving the sivia we have sent down to repeat. And as maybe one of the reasons why russia and scotland ship the same peach and st. Orson dandridge. And in that document a, weve had a much state National Sovereignty and i document eventually influenced other nations. I dont the world but that the Russian Commission is fascinating because as evilly as the 1690s people begin to eat, made the Russian Naval flag the sent down to risk cross that have asked of us and the end of his cross. And a lot of people think its just because the ship a patron saint, but evidence says that the patron saint titan really been celebrated that much in russian tradition until a lot of scottish jacobites. I lived at the court of people begin to eat in the 609700. People like odd little gordon and dave patrick got an awful lot of cookies. And it looks as if the stopping all of the, the russian a, or all of sent on to the beast on the scottish or that of the festival, was the pv if we had to send done to this cross. The Russian Naval flag was begun. And it lasted through to the communist era, and then it was say, it was set down and then it reappear when communism was defeated. So it still used as the Russian Naval flank to date. And i had wonderful experience of being in moscow a few years ago. To make a programme of on this and day i visited and spoke at the Caledonian Club or more school. And i got a point to go out all of the middle and off and to meet if it goes off, whos a great russian historian whos done loads in the subject of him. And i standing say this, give me a huge flag, which is half that Russian Naval fly and half this and gunners cross. So the russia is fascinating from up point of view. Other places the up tick in all this and gondolas course include the american south, the battle flag of the confederacy. A is the sin done to risk or society a knowingly cybill. It came with that knowingly styled on the spot. The sulfide was a scottish connection to the confederacy in dalton assault on the boys, but it was mainly mott tween called the so said walter scott plant. And it was a big influence of walter scored in the south bay that i think that the plant doctor said the people who lead the south. Theres also a scottish ethnic element to bismillah, this remind tick element of so well the scots novels that influence the south you get plantations called bonnet bachmann was. d doing things like that, but fascinatingly, when the so succeeded the 1st state to secede from the union was south carolina. And the document was signed in this intended a society of charleston, south carolina, which is the oldest senate and to recite in the what will that beats by the 17th 29th so that they have an endlessly yet another better of a story. A happy story and i ended my school as black history cities with a win. Ill update it recently, jimmy cup, we had a main 962 as they discussed, a fly op that independence minister called that evidence. William mcgee, i was friends with said alexander bustamante, a bit influential jamaican at the time. And they discussed a trickle up. But the reverend suggested that because of the christian tradition in jamaica, they should use this old guy. So he used the green golden blot colossus, and developed it designed the end of the sole god flag, and that was adopted. And i interviewed the son of william mcgee, join mcgee, who lives in, in this group, but im just from memory. And he remembers celebrations of jamaican independence in kingston in 1902. And the great he felt to see all these jimmy console tiles all with the clicks. And his wish is that youll see scotland celebrate. This wouldnt depend on this of the excuse. They will use just told us a story about the expat scots on the run from the hand of aliens and they 0. 18, they saw a, took the cylinders fired to russia in a sense. Isnt that still the, the way things are that the news day is often more celebrated around the world by expat scots that, than sometimes as a home, or do you think thats changing . You know, a better, right . So the expats didnt have a lot of scotland that we passed here. Whats fascinating is that until he had a prominent in, in 1908, there was a lot more activity in its intended societies in scotland. And its almost as if once we establish parliament, the scots became less desirous of having to demonstrate their scottishness through some thunders. They advance in tenders they had balls and dinners, unlike with who received the intelligence societies. These are the big events of the year of the new york city and thunder society, for example. One of the oldest in the window is a massive event that they hold to celebrate our national day. And its, and i mean its wonderful doing that. I just wish more people in scotland perhaps would get back into the same track. So they will in some tell me for the restoration and renewal project. Whats the, what your doing . But we have, we have an awful scene for 2 main structures in the church art. The 1st is the memorial. The sort of memorial, which is dates from 1965, consists of a major, a Massive Concrete plinth and a plaque within it. And showing the battle scene and attaches a toll flag bull flag flies. Apparently, im meant to be read of a church. We have a flag heritage center, 1583. 00 date be listed ducat. And that was made into an it and kept of center in which people can come from all over the world. And they do have a 4 star visitor attraction, stated, we reckon theres over 100000, people have visited over the last 20 years, and people can hear the story of the, the flag in 7 languages. Now both these structures are somewhat dated. No, the duke is the howling is coming off it. The memorial 55 years old this year is starting to crumble. And we have issues as well with the access from the military through the church art. And the technology of for the audio visual sure that we have is that deaf desperately needed an upgrade. So we launched an appeal, an International Appeal at the dry and raise 100000. 00. So billy kane, i mean obviously the flag of the patron saint was really important to us back in the 9th century, but in the 21st century is flying some patron saint something we should be wanting about . No, its all about passing. Well, ive been known sometimes of his cross. I bought a my final exams every university and i took to germany for the whatll come up. 6 feet along magnificence and dundas cross. So im still flying the flag. I stewed on that. Im going never since in time to discourse. Were not going to ask this in under sight of the state of new york. Theyre 264th banquet last year. I think a sin done to screw us. Its still a magnificent symbol and a symbol of the future. A great quote by my dad, but he thought the scoldings had been the presence the but all of the past and future. Im looking to the peach and the cross of some kind. The flying above or the independents fault and leave me dusting that one cup flying and then for the unit in championships most times sceptically. Well, if i can got ticket me and the flag and the femal, it will be that they will use and have the modern leave as a really so much and fast on National Symbols and flags. And things certainly has alec and country in the world. You could ask the same question to and you would get the same answer. And i met, i was reminded of denmark has its flag been done abroad, which is, incidentally also derived from across, appearing in the sky above a bottle when inspiring the troops to victory. If you go to denmark, we go to norway, you go to any of these countries, you see the flag flying throughout the land, and we in scotland should be flying as we will be this weekend, just as vigorous the then williamson good lot, we arrest a nation find really good luck be a football fly. Thank you for joining him. Alex of until thank you. Thank you. Whats in the name and whats in a flag. Obviously, quite a bit, given the sustain to tens of scots over 12. 8 years to clean the flag on the st as their own. Nowadays, since im just a, is just as likely to be marked by a rainbow of cultures and religions and by scots approach as much as it will. But the point is that rather like to patricks day for ireland, it is celebrated. In contrast, of course, to st. Georges day in england, this would seem a rather dangerous ted achaeans, tightening into a change of might fear to tread, but not the part of late. The Prime Minister. Its very easy for the bard, he now claims to be aimed at the i said p. To be taken as an attack on the status and thickness of the parliament on phoenician. The National Flag of scotland is the so far the National Plant is a prickly fissile, and that is an old school thing which a Prime Minister may wish to reflect upon. You may set her nose, but you can a set or enough bessel. 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