The loan and welcome to, well, the part the city is, was considered to be the cradle of civilization. Have come full circle to south life out of it. But it doesnt have to be this way. This is an argument to force by my guess today im, she doesnt just preach it to move from most coast to siberia to make his own life more fulfilling and advance and new brands of bourbon is the one that informs the designs of cities with the needs of a human soul. How is it possible to discuss that im now joined by russian urban sociologist because i dont even know that i was pricing for sure. Sure, sure. It was. Thank you for your time. So that happy to be here. I was the yellows from what ive learned about the cost. It seems to me that other than the age over the age, between how you doing most as to what ultimately takes priority for 0 consciousness or existence. You seem to be more non with mom or something different. In other words, she believes that ones environment determines that perception of the world are for sure. Yeah, thats fine. Did i get to try to spot that . Its got uh well and see very slowly id say always comes down to making your claim on something that even if you dont go to the point where they usually so one of the 5th uh, was my buddies prominent post boxes for last the set, the all of us have a right to the city and i go to the home now, right to shape our environment and well catch up on that for decide how the environment will affect doesnt re, timely, as well as a day show much, much of the oven dynamics in the fall, it exactly like that, and up and who is the groups of people claiming that right. So determine what the city should look like. Does a in the city these what the nice thing thats crucial to the it teaches us, im just, this is not something fixed or something and go to that are sick of the city. And so theres always an arena when multiple different abuse costs with each other, the other with implying, you know, sense are so still it seems to me, the kind of city would call a good city. What really is one that enables as much of the population as possible for them to be involved in this processing level them . I mean, yeah, initially i system with the with them as for going back to marks and how i go, but i personally, i think those have a point to it. Just play differently at different stages of life. So the 1st environment influences your mindset. Well, so then your mind just sets things lower and then some, but i do agree with you that in nurturing environment makes life more enjoyable and by the end, enjoyment is a basic existence show kind of emotion came, is the question, is what tools that the connection is food we use to maximize o enjoyment of life . So our happiness, some of them kind of shifted and also listed them on the subject. I think youve been on the, well, its not really Rocket Science as we should. There is some very basic boxes, the essential is the persons mental state and sustain, usually a crime commuter, for example, living in an environment with a lot to assign the details to grab your attention and to the job and monotone surroundings which you can often find on the train, the edges of us that these and this of, of things have a negative impact on your Mental Health as well as a marketing by contrast and starting in the month. If you look at some of the Old Buildings to say the 19th or the 20th century is the best thing with the details of mine, your brain is actually picks up on them, making you feel better. It has a little short shim cook long cut. How does that work . Is it about authenticity as pro variability, or perhaps novelty, where and randomness doing was since now is the past to do with being so as captivating . Whats the, what do you mean by that . The 1st of all the federal ago, if you look at nature, dont say when you go to a party of you a couple, you see trees. Fox died in the trees of fact. So in nature that is a and this to repeat, the identical puts in the land or well also producing an insane amounts of their id numbers here. I would invite slice, giving up the human eye is very much used to dealing with, right . So pharmacies are on the close, the environment we observe is the effect to so far the best us and well show theres by some shots. So essentially the more things we create that resemble nature, unless its the adversity to your other number, i think easier. It gets for us to deal with it. So shouldnt correct dark interior. Some of this. Yes. And they thing, what are you by the way i learned from one of your lectures affected, genuinely surprised me. You said that in deceit is where people typically leave in mt distorted buildings to staples perception of the well changes that once they move about a certain show or the 8 for small. Yes, the 8 2nd. But how does it change . I pull chance or store kind of to me is because a view from the window turns into that kind of pain. Thing to do is just to pick to, oh, that was nice to have been very studies looking. Does he live on the 7th sleep . Im saying he was 9 floors, etc, which isnt as it turns out, theres a line you cross at some point of within the way you receive the view of your window, cooks extra human we lives no longer personal but rather to talk. Ive started in terms of the ways you will know when we live on the 6th. So we feel like were actually involved in everything that happens in the neighborhood, right . You were the ones who are not reading it. What does a sense of engagement of belonging to just missed . So as soon as we go up, you must say to the troll floor, you know, its the view from the windows, it comes more like a picture to do. I have an image on the tv screen tvs. Im kind of distant spetchko. We have no role and you see the sky toward the sort of that i suspect sites a little menu which obviously, you know, things are still happening now the but we no longer define ourselves through them. Mm hm. Yeah. With no more than positive spectators. Yes. Yeah. Destination, but i also recall you making the point that they make time to the shapes prevalent and of russian from urban spaces. Have a depressing establish some of the human psyche guys. Yeah. Could you explain why . Oh, so i need to consider a treatment compared to a square. Can. Lets either tree as well as far release from the squares it gets lost, the yukon imagined the right time. You would treat more or less. Of course, youve trimmed into that shape on purpose. What about trick tenure in the mountains . Thats an exception of course, but it happened with a mountain was still have some side for the complex frank associated with the digital with again funny. And like i said, i wish to a natural looking object, so pleasant to look at me, im here to where is objects that are low natural. So the great to the extent it looks like ones that have a lot of right angles to make as oppressive use with miles because its an environment. This is familiar to us and the sort of category. Uh, you know, my environment which just keep my launch please adrian to us. From an evolutionist on point the history of rights. I go through the flying you while youve seen you may of thousands of years. The question to that from the financial point of view, especially a building like that, if its more cost effective, easier to construct any around their own. She should buys new yashira bytes or so youre exactly right. You know, a financing, joseph was throwing, obviously, building something natural looking is the custody of. Uh yeah. Oh is it by some of the why we optimize our construction practices . Some of them in such a way is to get the most of it, which square me to get this go thatll throwing me up at our weird music. Have you noticed any changes and overall trends from us because of the one hand to the free country . If im with multiple generations of assembling, have had to share the same room, is probably better. So leaving the larger building that no matter how its time to learn, as long as they can all have separate faces. But as peoples basic needs. And thats what have some other necessities come into play. Is there a particular trend in rush elsewhere to sort of embellish your living space . Not necessarily to make it resemble nature, but that would be way too expensive. And high temp was like, for example, the Traditional Russian flag beds in towns and villages near the houses looks somewhat similar, but each has its own identity. Who is mother . Its a, its a, but theres a kind of and all the time looks on distinctness of lips dont wish the average consumers can only afford to live in a relatively uncomfortable environmental. Its just the chief in a nickel for say, the, its only the wealthy. You can afford better environment to describe this page to me try it. I would say if thats a huge problem, avoid a bureau, im not sure looking things, a very expensive story. Its so are the people who can afford them and youre satisfied with them. Generally live in a more pleasant environment with assertion people, this is in no am i spend on and what the buckeye store and unfortunately so far the most of it. But the reason demoss consumer can only afford surroundings with a detrimental to them. I believe. So what says morgan, see, it isnt even countries apologize susceptibility to accommodate the noise at alpha times given conflicts in the work of multiple, very interesting social groups. Coming back to your point about the level of comfort. Yeah, ive lived a menissi, it is 2 hours. My life, but i chose to move to most google stuff because i did leave, which of course, very good balance here between the conference of modem, solicitation to the availability of nature, parks, reverse, etc. Its not a good idea. I know that you have a very different on the bottom, and thats why you left the capital vista because it really both most go is a strategic i hope they have. So its both personal preferences or sponsor. Its got to meet me, erica, as a professional. So now what comes 1st is how must go managers this of and dynamics of what the soaps, the i left the city because i disagreed with the way it was handled as we go through it. So that more strongly me able is the whole process is way too much go from a very top down and prescriptive the up in the most. I knew i had no way to embarrass by environment the i would that the move on because they also say yes where i live today. Yep. And you might feel as much more ownership, which of the city and what the story means. Nothing can be imposed on me by far away stream with what do you mean by that . Good. I would say you want to change something in your neighborhood, so sorry. Do you mean it will be much easier to do that in cross new years compared to most go on ship them or sort of or thursday . Yeah, the very least because we should have, lets say i will never find myself in a situation where im a Police Officer at the end with physical violence. When i see a manual which, which is not uncommon, i must go. Lets go as far as i know in moscow and a gun, we could disagree on this progress of it for it is here including a to local level like in my district, doing a great deal to involve the public, an urban development to me, of the or british to insure it may have something to do with politics. For example, the 1st person has a say and how is talking to a neighbor who does the renovation unless they were more likely vote for they had of the local administration, snowbirds, etc. Still. And this process is very slow because on the one hand, people often prefer this or paternalistic attitude, where someone else does everything for you things. But then the other hand in a minute that wont even clean up after the dogs and departments. But how can we strike a balance here and it says, how do we build horizontal communication between the person trying to better shape their environment. And the city of sorts . Is that in a sense, just to be charged with making sure that everyone finds that environment comfortable . No. Doing so much, i believe must go, was just too late to realize the size, right. And they shouldnt start to do it. It should be not spending 2012, my colleagues and i from the graduate school if i lived in as a run of autism patriot and design. So i take a lot, right, because of the way we showed the states are design, has a kind of magic effect to remind you, couple of people become involved. They get to open up out what they want and theyre happy with the result of yeah, use you shall see of a normal squat, but the most cool. Its hard to suggest. Oh, i see those on the back end when by to ignore the assembly plant. The verifying the old top down approach equation because we met with the, with my mute while ive got this dong, surprisingly enough for those regional authorities across russia started to lean a lot towards participates or yeah, of and punish us. Now it seemed as healthy to consult with local communities. Im young about all sorts of landscaping and Development Projects of little stories to what i must create in moscow. If however, this approach only starts, its getting traction a year and a half ago. Well, i say better late than never does that totally happen on paper as a full procedure . We want to do people actually get a chance to shape their own environments, eyeglass, i mean, and green on things reach and it concerns us. But the neighbors um is ive used to postpone angela. It depends on the contract to come on the phone, usually their team to actually see so in gauged the residence and shooting yet, and give them a voices into them. So they can have a real impact on the final project, just based on what would we have some project or the sponsors. But then there was like, is to only follow the formal procedure. I assume a lot about the workshop with people only to ignore that, which is a couple with the design, something completely different of what they see. It looks at any room, unfortunately able to be served in development is very much dependent on the contract to what the, theres no professionals done to not, they know establish procedures when it comes to participate, to refine a list of the theater or to process. So theyre good contractors and their refund one with you know, its like one costs or less if the police think the sorry to send has done that. Its in the room, political interest as the not only for the people to see the 1st when it comes to making the cd for that to you know, i chose that also for them to feel a sense of belonging of engagement. Later with the big viceroy towards the service, the food also depends on how far it takes it. Somebody little because there is no so much with each other with your thoughts. Hes going to be involved with different extenders. The multiple things when we worked with algamite in the code, screeching ability to bump. Right. And weve done it to, ive been funding projects the wishing but were youth ortiz, but also the may, it was very much involved for moving, you mind store. And then we saw that he understood how meaningful they all of us with our business. And so there are also cases when the administration orders the services for them with a lot of because it looks good on paper things, but its an order. But later on they all comes to nothing can be pro for them. So that is a level we have to offer a thought right now. But, so what are you going to do research and theres research and lives with it to develop it. And just speaking of what were going to do, were going to take a short my break right now, and well be back after short break stations the theres no end in sight over how youre going to continue to destroy the earth. Is the case for the med, most of the people. I tried to go to the gym, but im certainly not ready to fight russia. This is also absurd. This is the 3rd world lunacy re washer. As for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to living on that. We have very good stuff again that you know price here in new york. I think we dont know the aftermath any time that youre not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. Some more questions, ask a better. The answer is will be the the welcome back towards the parts 1st impression urban sociologist felt that even though the culture you are the creator and editor, ebony, csm is life and purpose channels. I agree, the urban is miss about purpose and meaning which of life purpose for the most part where deal of the tonight is viewed differently than by difference. Peoples in question. Far as the russian and soviet culture promoters, the measure of strong resilience peoples and they have no fear when those sort of a d n. A way to make sense. So by chance surgery knowledge, you also see how many gigabytes history and all political context for adult edition, well, even had to survive. But no, were talking about moving them and not just surviving. Are you living full conscious, meaningful lives in harmony of surprising assess list . Let me, how far do you think russians . Oh, from the point of see i know what, where they will have enough energy and resources is to focus on the extras that were talking about right now. Contains new system wants to check out the question of dividing the most most recent shows that russian is you know, lets find with that way of life and yeah, oh sure what they want to live in different lives. Oh, its summer so. So the average russian wants to live away from big cities, which is read so really can go to the city surrounded by nature, looks like easy and nice naples of the, of the low rise above and house avoid that. They show me that im saying you want to ship whats in reality, real to the average us and listen an up and send things to you and a high rise building. Theres 25. 00 floors or even more and doesnt know that name is nice, so its nice easy with its not somebody to buy ship. This is actually a big problem with this distinction kind of burnished the russian dream of living comfortably and see on the is not coming true. Come for the passivity. Yeah. And yes, boy, its is this problem caused by the see to is a residential issue that leverage russian. But were still talking about due to exist on show issues here. When i hear speak, i sometimes feel like youre trying to blame cdl far to swim. Where should we start with your logic . And im from the outside to the, from the inside which i think we are talking about underline even psychological issues when people are supposed to work and understand in themselves that minute who they are and what they need to do to make their lives as in the way they want them to be in open, right still to full chasing authority. Its not just some personal motivation. Were dealing with it. We hope its almost a when presented with the choice between suburban is the low rise housing with the for more and of common and a high rise buildings that are the persons who dont like what you choose, the palm and liberal, and then continue stream about suburban life yeah, we are in cloudy, vosta canals, a region that offers default eastern heck and type programs, correct what anyone who has enough energy can gather land and do that. But as far as i know, not too many people have taken advantage of this opportunity hold, or if you wish. 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