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Its a job that you take on until you die. You had one of the worlds biggest organizations, spanning every country and every continent, and every day, millions upon millions of people listen to your every word. Your dictates can shape society, but were not talking about the ceo of a multinational corporation. Were talking about the pope this week. Well dig into the situation at the vatican as an ailing, 87 year old pontiff considers stepping down. All right, lets get into the m o, the hope. Francis bourne jorge. Mario berg leo in argentina in 1936, was tapped to be the 266. The pope of the Roman Catholic church over a decade ago. Hes the 1st pope elected from the americas. The child of italian immigrants to going outside is young. Jorge studied to become a chemical technician, but after a severe bout of pneumonia that saw part of his right along removed, he fell to calling to the church. He hold several post graduate degrees and has ruffled many feathers among more conservative members of the church. But now the 87 year old potter of says he may step down early, sending shock waves in the catholic community, especially with his most recent comments about the conflict in ukraine. While speaking to us with broadcaster or a side saying that kids would show courage if it raised a white flag and entered peace talks with russia. Those comments had been harshly rejected and rebuked by the west end zelinski. Joining us to discuss pope francis and the role of the Catholic Church around the world is timothy j. Gordon. He is a catholic philosopher, author and pod castor, his show called rules for retro grades can be found on youtube and anywhere pod cast r syndicated. His latest book, the case for patriarchy is out now, thanks for joining us to. Thanks for having a great to be here. And so in late february, we saw po francis once again, be hospitalized briefly for the flu. I mean, hes an 87 year old man. We know hes had some Health Problems in the past. He has now publicly stated that showed his Health Getting the way of him performing his people duties that he would step down as pontiff. Like his predecessor, Pope Benedict who was i believe the 1st ever to do. So my question to you is should pope francis do this and will this become a trend among future popes . And would that be a good thing or, or a bad thing . No, its not a good thing. It is arguably a very bad thing that co benedict the 16th did it. Not just because the pontifical of francis has been so catastrophic, which it has. It was a bad thing in, in of itself by the way, little correction. There was another pope who did it about 600 years before benedict the 16th. The reason that its, its not a strong correction. A state correction is because that was essentially a, a young pope who didnt know what hes doing. He, he retired, absconded from the chair of peter a couple of weeks, maybe a month into the pond to get after not knowing what to do. This was not the case with benedict, the 16th who had been the number 2 in the church, the doctrinal chief, we called the cd f prefect, or you know, almost 3 decades under jump. All the 2nd before becoming copious, the presumptive pope ever knew he would Carry Forward the program of john paul the 2nd, even before jump all the 2nd, passed away. So it was extra strange when benedict 16 stepped down in it this time of the years when, when we think about it from february, march, its been a strange ride for i think all world but especially for us catholics in announcement by benedicts 16 in late february of 11 years ago that he would do so and most people know later that night lightning struck saint peters it had been done once before. By such way. A boy po, its been very, very bad for the church, largely because of who francis is. But also, just because it runs contrary to, weve had 266 popes. The notion of the pond certificate is that its a lifetime tenure, a lifetime appointment, and what, what has grown organically over the 2 millennia to plus millennia of christendom. According to Roman Catholicism is what we call the vatican. The news refers to the vatican. This means that the caster is like the congregation for the doctrine of the face which i was talking about earlier. They helped even an old man top even an ailing old man pope who had say parkinsons disease like jump all the 2nd, had to still run the church from the chair of peter. And this is why its especially weird that benedicts 16 step down because he knew that the church is equipped to handle really all situations. J. P 2 had gotten very sick and he was test with, particularly in the doctrinal area, keeping things running. And there are other categories besides the cd f as well. Thats the most important one. But there are others there 8 the categories. So its strange that he step down. It turns out that it, it couldve had a fascination with the fee ology. Of a point of who steps down for, for many decades. We know this from, from studying the earlier writings and some of the friends of benedicts 16. And it seems to be an area of liberal theology. If i could borrow the expression, not that benedict was known as a liberal who was not, is known as a conservative francis as a true, liberal theologian loves the notion and said, i think in the 2nd or 3rd year of his pontificate before he was as old as he is now, when he was still in the seventys, i liked the idea of this will. Of course the logical liberals loved the idea of innovation. And it wouldnt surprise me to see him stepping down. Of course, the role of secular politics that liberals never give up power seems to be the only thing stopping frances from doing so now. But its an open question. I think its negative for the church. The church is equipped to have an old, aged, sick, infirm pontiff, even one whos suffering from a neurological disorder like parkinsons disease. And it makes it especially strange that benedicts 16 did it. After being the number 2 guy, the go to guy for many years. Well, his predecessor jump, all the 2nd was ailing as po. Okay, i stand corrected on benedicts 16. I didnt go that far back in history and a very long history of the Catholic Church has. Um, ill put an asterisk on benedict as the 1st to do so in modern times. So what do you think the impact of this pope francis has been among the church and, and with catholics all around the world . Whats going to be his legacy . Thats a difficult question and the response is strongly bifurcated. Among catholics in the tenure of frances, he has sort of galvanized opposition among conservatives who in theological circles like cultural and political circles, can be languid, they, they suffer from tor 4. And conservatives are generally happy people who are trying to live their lives, the best life family lives more often than not. And so theyre not ready, you know, at the sticks to make changes or to, to, to wage counter revolution against the revolutionaries. And it doesnt really work the same way in the church when you have someone like francis, who was essentially revolutionary attempting to wage revolution on, on changing doctrine in the church for 2000 years. So his legacy will be that he galvanized on a riam, bracing of tradition. If you have someone like me im, im a latin ass catholic. My home parish is in new orleans, almost 2 hours away where i can go to the tradition team lot nice. And this got changed around out of can to when our parents were young and there are some remnant class of catholics that went to the lot. And thats the entire time. But it was really under frances, that young people return to the latin mass because things got sufficiently bad. The attack on tradition writ large, got sufficiently aggressive to drive a bunch of 20 year olds to the latin mass, which if you go to any t o m parish, lot mass around the country, youre going to see mostly young people. Now that is the opposite narrative to the one that the liberals, the theological liberals of the 60 string vatican to were talent. Oh, young people want hippy crap and guitars and come by are not so, but we didnt know it as i mean now i was kind of have had some part in helping to popularize the t o. M a among other catholics who i, i attended the t o and before francis came into this see if peter, but most young catholics have kind of only come in as a sort of kind of response to francis. And in some sense thats a good thing. There are, there are those like liberal catholics who are essentially circular squared. You cant be a liberal in a catholic who of course loved francis. But they are circular squares. Theyre very, very confused. Dogs chasing their own tails. And i would just say that phrases in many ways is flushed out the mold because the church has had this. Are our enemies wanna believe its a death spiral happening since before vatican to, since essentially the po, 2, called vatike into, in 1958. Where, you know, its an embarrassed kind of self loathing when the church, confronts herself on the stage in front of the world. Instead of proudly proclaiming what the Catholic Church always had for 1950 years. Now all of a sudden, a sort of shame faced about the announcement for truth since around that time night. So its called this the onset of vatican to 1962. The church has been in the spiral of shame and embarrassment for bringing the truth. And this became, like i said, about frances, notable enough over the last 11 years, that i think a lot of people are realizing there will need to be a vatican 3. Partly as a clarifying response to the pontificate of number 266 francis and partly is a clarifying response to some of the ambiguities of vatican to i think thats going to be his legacy. All right, coming up next. The Catholic Church is the single biggest land owner all around the world outside of government entities. Why does the church own so much land . Well discuss it when we return with timothy j. Gordon and sit tight. The m o will be right back. The the Worlds Largest democracy votes, the rest of the planet watchers in an emerging multi polar world. Indias voice matters, but who will be the power behind it . Watches almost 1000000000 people decide and billions more, react the welcome back to the m. O i, manila chan. Timothy j gordon is back base for sticking with us. Tim. All right, lets talk about the role of church in our society as a whole. The Catholic Church and more broadly, perhaps christianity, according to a 2019 q research pole. And over whelming, majority of americans, 2 thirds of them believe in the principle of separation of church and state. Does that separation truly exist . And how would you compare or perhaps contrast that with how other countries dont separate . The 2, i mean take for example, b is lama republic of iran, regardless of what anyone thinks of that country as a matter of governance. Religion in this case is long is part of the state. Thats a very, very fascinating question. And its got a couple of parts, and im an honor to be able to respond to it. The 1st off what a lot of america. Im also a constitutional scholar. I went to law School Pretty much only to study the constitution and what most americans dont know or have been brainwashed or lied to about. Is this idea of the separation of church and state. This country was founded that space in 1788, as when the, the 9th state ratified the constitution under the promise that took 3 years to make good on by the federalist those who wanted it ratified to the anti federalists. Those who did not want the constitution ratified until the summer of 1791, a bill of rights. Right . Really the 1st 8 amendments to that constitution which stood as guarantors of specific rights which werent addressed in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd articles of the constitution. And amendment one, the only amendment in the entire bill of rights to mention specifically the congress stipulates something that most americans just dont know and it, it applies particularly about separation of church and state 1st amendment and it, it, it applies to all the other bill of rights amendments as well. The bill of rights was only meant to constrain the National Government, the congress. And thats why congress has mentioned in the 1st amendment. So its Congress Shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, of the state governments which remember back then when america was truly america, before we really lost our country. The state legislatures made all of the sexy, important, moralistic legislation. And they all were assumed 13 out of 13 by even jefferson, who had the funny relationship with christianity. He didnt love it, but he helped madison to frame amendment one. And they assume that 13 out of 13 states would have an official sect of christianity. The most them would be protestant, they figured cuz most americans were protestant. But they thought 13 out of 13 would. And in only 8 of 13 state legislatures adopted in official sacked under the 1st amendment of christianity. What this means is the 1st amendment in until this, this year, 1947, the case called everson versus board of ed, which reversed the meaning of the 1st amendment. They all had the 8 of 13. It could have been the other 5, they just opted against it to have an official establishment of some protestant sac. It was mostly congregationalist puritan sex of christianity in the north and church of england in the south beneficial state religions. And as a matter of fact, the 1st amendment meant Congress Shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion. What it really meant is that congress will not this establish official state establishment of christianity that was literally from 1791. Until 1947, a solid 150 years of what i call true america. The federal isnt. It just meant that the National Government couldnt comment deer. The sexier law making powers of the states, its called the police power of the states, comes from the 10th amendment, the conservative law. And what it really means is that we can of moral legislation. The libertarians dont love that, but the moral legislation should all come from state legislatures for the several states. If you dont like your states moralizing legislation or im not a baptist, but i live in mississippi. Im a Roman Catholic. Um i could move if it bothered me enough, i could transfer state lines. I could go to louisiana where there are a lot more catholics. If it really bothers me, you can vote with your feet. Thats until the National Government started swallowing the whole. And thats when, in that case i mentioned earlier, everson versus board of education. It was 7 of 9 scoutis juris 7 of 9 who were freemasons. They reversed the meaning of the 1st amendment. They use something called incorporation doctor and they said now all of a sudden the bill of rights applies to the state legislatures as well as the fed. And now it means the opposite of what it had meant for a 150 years. That the congress, really the court could this establish state religions even though that was the whole purpose of the 1st amendment. So because the, you know, the masons on the court in the law fair, in the culture of such power, theyve convinced everyone over the last 60 years that essentially the opposite purpose of the 1st amendment was the case. It wasnt so separation of church and state is not a good thing. It does, it, does it look like some healthy corrective of islamic theocracy, Christian Christian theocracy works differently, especially under the auspices of federalism. Now i would say this western civilization has an intellectual figure, head figure head. This is aristotle and aristotle was a greek philosopher who uh, and when iced the west. And there was a really deliberate effort around americas birthday to de how nice the west, and that was a really