To southern ukraine. Now, with a huge fight has flared up in the port city of a desa. Often the alleged russian, as tripe reportedly hit, a deco weston supplied weapons. Oh, well they say someone verified damage of footage from the sea and appearing to show munitions exploding at the facility. Now. Several glass, so proportionately shaped in the area youre putting in troops on firefighters have been sponsored at the scene most go, hasnt yet commented so long. This latest incident, russia has previously stated that it will target any weapons delivered to quain from abroad a lot. So we could squeeze in, but the word go back with a fresh look at whats happening in the world again the, [000 00 00;00] the, [000 00 00;00] the, and id like to start off and jumping straight in with indias place in the well as right now. Now you have an empty is a power into, into your political wise that were seeing what you expect from the country and the upcoming. Yes. What is that going to is been a force to reckon with for some time now. The economy has, was india in a very healthy place over the last generation going back to the liberalization of 1991. And since then it has been a steady, whereas seen a steady growth pass on the irrespective of whos been in part. And weve seen that continuing over 3 decades now, and as a result in this is see not just as an emerging paul, but as a paul that in many ways as a much, its already the was 3rd largest economy in purchasing power parity terms is likely to become the website largest in actual real dollar terms within the next 2. Yeah, so this is a country thats on the right track by and large economically. And as a result, given its have to the, well, its the most populous country in the world, even more populous in china today its, its likely that countries on all sides of a jo, politically divide. Were taking this seriously. That i think is a given whoever wins these electrons. Having said that, its also important that in depths of plays a constructive and responsible role in the World Community right now in that has been careful to maintain relationships on both sides of every device and discussion and ukraine, israel and the palestinians with the americans and the chinese and so on. But there are some inescapable challenges that into account denied as a very tense border with china. It continues to have on resolve difficulties with fox, a saw a visa, some of the put a new problems of Indian Foreign policy, and they remain still sadly unresolved. And those will have to be checked on the go to stage. Finally, id say that the fact that in the such an influential sets on everything from cyber space to outer space makes it potentially a huge, really significant consider except for global governance. And that too makes india a false direct. And we talked about state in days. Thank you, and thats a lot left to us. They will view on the way in the or russian relationship relations between the 2 have been developing so far. How important do you think this partnership is for india, which is usually important about the shipping has been for a very long time in the when i busted visit mid to the, the, the soviet union and the old days and russia theyre off to, has been amongst and is a most reliable constant instead, foster friends in recent years and has been diversifying its sources of military equipment, which were heavily reliant on russia for many decades as recently as about 10 years ago. Oh, i would say theres a more of them that maybe about 15 years ago. Russia, accountants, 85 percent of all of them does defense inputs of today thats gone down to more like 40 percent. I would say the of course of a lot of spare parts and so on for what presented are important to continue to come in as well as india, as diversified its sources. But despite the, as i think the friendship remains very significant, we have thought for a long time, enjoyed, uh, chevy say uh, close a Mutual Understanding on a number of issues. We have called for peace in view create and conflict time, but India Remains a voice for peace and most noble conflicts. So i would, i would probably leave it to that at this point of defense. As a major preoccupation of joe gilbert, your politics remains effect ups, but there are no major issues, dividing us. And as you know of recent, in recent years, it has become of a major consumer of russian oil and gas products. And, and this has also been a very important occurred for russia at a time of international sections. So theres some, uh, chevy se, mutual a win win on both countries. Bob and i wasnt, stuff werent there when it comes to dealing with the west, especially when it has this relationship with russia. Well, the western countries have shown some understanding. I would say that india has its own Foreign Policy and is not, has always been historically allergic to fitting into any particular blog, a or a line specially. India likes to have partners rather than allies. And thats again being the case. Going back to the days of the Non Aligned Movement on the funding, there are lots as Prime Minister and this continued, even in the very different government, a Prime Minister movies, in the sense that he has he has stayed friendly for russia, even while being somewhere closer to the west the previous and didnt, governments may have been the most important feature of in this position on the russia, ukraine conflict disease in just kept its lines of communication open to both sides of for foreign minister love rob has been to india a couple of times in the last year, he has internal cases of willing to listen to what he has to say. And i think thats something thats valuable to, to the russians. As far as india is concerned, india relishes being able to talk from a position of Mutual Respect with both with both the russians and the western countries, and indeed with you. Great. So i would leave at this point, you said that you say in this future a staying friends with all countries with everybody across the board. Im just wondering where are the red lines for india . Because weve been covering this story recently about some kind of data and also a support. So 6 separate to do think this will play a large role in new delhi dealings with the west. The way certainly playing an upsize road in other nations was canada. It hasnt yet affected our relations, any other wisdom country, because things havent gone quite as far as they have in canada. Where the government is seen by many new delhi as being complicit in encouraging a Movement Based in canada that are openly lovely secessionist, an extremist in that dialogue, but had been directly associated with x of murder and mayhem in india, including the bombing of an ad in the jet line in 1985 that took nearly 400 lives. So its not just the questions of focusing inflammatory rhetoric, which is the way the canadians prefer to see it. For us uh, the, the, the extremist elements in canada that have cost indian lives. And therefore, we have not been particularly sympathetic to canada as indulgent. Solve those elements on this or in the future of india. It does indeed look very bright, however, synonymous still continues. A catholic wise indeed is a developing country, while others see it as a highly developed nation though. And then as long states have declared the k as he was said yourself. What did you mean by that . Its a depiction of india. I mean, that point of view goes back to the late 19 eighties. I would say that the cat has since been considerably repeated. And anyone visiting india today would be impressed by the its the widespread use us off of computers and Digital Technology and even your your because as t sellers with their carts on the screen will have a q r code on display. So you can pay them by mobile. Okay. Its a country rushing impatiently to the 21st century. So what do you think some of the less theyll continue to call into a developing country where it is you see . Because the fact is that in this has People Living in condition still all the cubes, poverty, and despair efforts are being made. Of course, to pull them out to which i think both the present governments ended speed assessments have claimed some success in actually pulling large numbers of indians out of poverty. But theres still a lot of people who live betty this side of the funeral par until every indian has, has the guaranteed assurance of decent lives and 3 square meals a day and roof over their heads, as well as access to Decent Health care. And the prospect of meaningful work. Its difficult to just blindly claim we have developed countries. Even Prime Minister, mr. Movie who is not particularly known for tempering is rhetoric has set the goal of endeavor coming and developed countries for 2047, the under the end of us rich about independence. And thats 223 as a way. So i think even she didnt, Prime Minister will accept that. Its too early to call us to develop the country. We really got to wait to 7 to get someone out here, especially vocal about how portez colonial rule that affected india. Would you say that that effect is still ongoing . Id love to know. To what extent do think the colonial rule handed, the developments of india . What it every conceivable respect. But its a bit its, its, i think its a big name today. 75 years. Nice to blame is i wrote a work of history uh, booked about today. I think we have to take responsibility for our own problems. The british took one of the richest economies in the world, one of the most prosperous countries in the world and systematically. Elizabeth newton is transformed into a post a child for 3rd world poverty and dispense with one of the newest life expectancies on the planets. And the highest rates of public say of the planets when they left. So there is nothing good that one can say for 200 you as a british colonialist of the same time that was 75. Yeah. 77 years ago now that baby left and i think wed have to stand up and say its ridiculous sponsibility for taking off future and our own hands and making it work. Obviously, many of the passions left behind by the bush is still in deal with it. So im the administrator of framework or land holding patterns, all population issues. But the fact still remains that we now are responsible, and we will take responsibility is also shaping our own dest, you out of the pass code for the prisoners government to pay reparations to its former colonies. Is that something that you still think should be done . And how to move like the benefit india now is that or even a some race enough that ive been slightly misrepresented on that. What i said in that particular speech that went viral with several multiple millions of people watching it, was that i dont agree with the notion that financial reparations out and on. So, because i said that any amount of credible reparations would not be payable. Indeed, an economist has said, thats the actual monetary value because exploitation of, in this genuinely, we estimated that 45 trillion boats. And since the person has a bug cap that has a total of 5 trillion, i think 45. 00 trillion is impossible to pay. So any credible say, go would not be payable, and any payable say, go would not be credible because whatever, uh, brittany can pay in the end. Reparations would, pale by comparison with the vaux damage done the lives on necessarily last around the, the simple expropriation and exploitation. Of india libraries put in your rates on that doesnt mean the accounts pay reparations to smaller calling these ready songs wouldnt be more affordable and more realistic and im not presuming to speak for barbados. So diana, ill see it. I live in saying that they dont need reparation so they may well do that. So in the, i think the, the model of the toner and by the british is far more important. The british of never apologize for 200 years of colonialism. And i think its high time they did so its a distance, a Good Opportunity for them to do so. But since you know any of the egregious some tragic jelly, im all about messic up. But when thats and tina retain, the british Prime Minister was not able to go beyond an expression of redirect, which most people would consider the mild. And we also feel that i also feel and have been advocating passionately that originally would do well to teach and polish canadian history and that schools. So you dont have a lot of the spectacle oppose as recently as the last couple of is showing the majority of british people claiming to be proud of the empire and wanting it back, which are such an i also think it was almost like uh, can you imagine a situation where the germans would want the nazi regime back and yet thats what some people have written out of well for the notes. Because the british dont teach which was about couldnt it as well dont teach college. And i told the history classes and schools and that should be rectified. And the other thing i suggested is, with that capital london being a, was the capital of museums. They should think seriously of constructing a Serious Museum of colonialism that would show visits as from around england and around the world. What they did to Foreign Countries and how they gained from is as well as what damage they did to others. That would be a useful history of this. And just as german students today are bused to the concentration camps, a museum of colonialism in london, what do i think that was also good . Those are far more important than monetary reparations. But starting off with a simple, sorry, would take us a long way and that i couldnt agree more. Now in the ninetys, he said, as a special you and assistance of peacekeeping operations. Could you give us an idea of what that experience was like especially, and then went up to the cost of a war of 99. 00 . Well i, i worked uh for a long time. Uh, are they locked out of the lawn . Hadnt mentioned 9. You agree or the united missions, during which time i spent a very meaningful of 70, a student in the United Nations peacekeeping department during which i was the team leader for the former yugoslavia. So i was, the person was up writing the reports of the secretary general, attending the Security Council meetings, visiting your, beside, we have more times than is entirely wise and safe a boxing through mine fields of and facing stipends and all that fun. While at the same time having to of having to do the diplomacy in new york with the countries, particularly the members of the Security Council. Of the troops contributing countries on our peacekeeping operations by which im comfortable happened. I had left to be sleeping to serve in the office of secular general coffee under which is where i was when the bombing of the initial bombing of 1990 could and also was more on us forcibly separated from sab. Yes, that was a different experience. I was mostly in the peacekeeping department, but indeed, its fair to say that the peacekeeping did buffington 10 bucks to do with that. It was of a nature operations that love resulted in that particular situation. But i was involved from the beginning of the civil war, 91, once the e u monitors pulls out in the u. N. Came in and in fact i was the person who led the 1st Exploratory Mission for the us and along with a finish cut offs, we travel through the wall fields and the was owns between the subs and the cross in october 1991. And we would do this about the feasibility of peacekeeping at the time. But the world had already decided this was going to be the u. Ns talk potatoes. And so the reports we wrote to the Security Council, wherever he said that there wasnt really an easy, viable peacekeeping concept to be suggested. Something that the policies put agree upon, was the one that was, was chosen. And then subsequently as a whole, washington erupt in bosnia and so on and spread throughout the former yugoslavia. I remained the person in the Un Peacekeeping department dealing with these problems. But theyre all of a smaller team. But of course as a rather large operation on the ground that grew as it. Busy from a handful of observers, when i 1st got involved to Something Like 88000. So just by the time i left to the end of 9. 00 to 6. 00, on the election of kofi, add them to be secular jet and said was a huge period of my life of one that showed i would say many of the opportunities and the limitations of applying the peacekeeping technique to places where there was no peace to keep. And thats something we could talk about race at length, then this particular format too much. I know that last week you saw the in the general election and through the 2nd phase of those, including in your constituency. What do you think about how the voting process is going the well, we had somebody susan catalogue, where my states, with the turnouts could not be properly accommodated many boots, and a lot of voters, not only in my constituency, but swap mistakes. I. Busy tend to weigh off to racing, inordinately long. I was in queues to vote, and that shouldnt have happened. And we have complained to that Action Commission that this was mismanaged. But by and large, you know, of, i think the, the election came across otherwise, as, as, as free and fair. Weve had our issues with some of the technologies used. We would ideally like a law just some pool of both of verified paper trail machines to be counted alongside the electronic Voting Machines and that sort of thing which is a pending ongoing issue and they didnt elections. But otherwise we had a new 70 percent. An option catalog and, and another state spoke to this. But i would say that the 1st couple of phases have gone without any untoward incident. Certainly no violence or anything like this. People are coming out to vote. The campaign is progressing. Many of us, including me personally, feel that the process is far too long. It need not have required 7 phases. The Election Commission has identified to conduct these polls. I think it could have been disposed of quickly, but yeah, from the voting being cost in my constituency. Last friday to the declaration of results on the on the 4th of june. Thats more than 40 days, i think, does it the 48. 00 days and thats an awful long time to wait to know the results, not terribly f